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Nothing you have said explains why it's not a red herring. You are mixing up their working life, which for a footballer is 40 years like the rest if us with the period of maximum earning power. They are two different things and no football club is benevolent to the point that they pay top money because they are worried about a footballers short career they pay the money because of market forces. By your logic the benevolent thing to do would be to pay footballers less so that the come down to their second career is not so great to make it as difficult.

This is such a red herring, sure you can only be a footballer for a certain period, but there is no rule about only being allowed one career. Footballers could get a job after football just like they used to.

If rising ticket prices are the problem then isn't your friend part of the problem. To make money he would have to sell the tickets at a high rate, if he doesn't it wouldn't really help him cover the costs of watching the club 'that he loves'.

Having a go at someone for missing the point when you have spectacularly missed the point yourself. This is a table on how much it cost to assemble the squad, nothing more than that; it isn't a table for measuring how good the squad is, that is called, in case you don't know, the Premier League Table.

He is not lauding the owners for spending, he is saying that the facts are completely different to the idiots who claim Kat is assist stripping. If you are talking about the cost of the squad the only figure that matters is how much that squad cost. Not how much was spent in the last x years, not how much was spent against how much was made in the last x years. This isnt a table on current owners investment it's a table of squad value. We should be pleased that we have a squad in the top twenty in Europe.

It's not chicken feed for a prem side, it might be for the top top prem sides, but it is still a lumpy sum and that's why on that list we have a squad more expensive than most in our division.

You can't have good players in the squad and expect them to push the first team players without them getting a game every now and then. Squad rotation is part of the managers job nowadays. At at the end of the season will points at HBS or Leceiester be more significant, I suspect it's the latter.

Saint Nacho is skill.

This, I don't care why he's gone just pleased that he has.

SA wont get the sack, the fact that he wanted to run it past the FA will be his get out of goal card. I hope the Everton dough boy is one of the managers.

Lucky we didn't lose or the melts would be having a fit at those photos. Young men going to trendy London night club, hang them.

I haven't got a problem with that, I wouldn't buy it of wear it. Is any one actually going to wear it, but it's ok if someone wanted a memento of our first EL group. its not as bad as a half and half scarf and a half and half shirt is an absolute crime.

Although he has been diagnosed with Parkinson disease and is being sued because he said in his autobiography that a player couldn't come to training because he still had an erection from taking Viagra. i wish him all the best.

Judging from the fact that the period with lots of managers has seen us experience a stable prem period, relegation to League 1 and a rise to European qualification, it doesn't really matter.

The old 'aren't people allowed an opinion' attack. Of course they are and in LeG's opinion only an idiot would make their mind up after 5 games and for what its worth I agree. Redmond its looking good, we are starting to gel and the movement was a joy to watch on Saturday. Judging by how we played against Arsenal away I am looking forward to us being tested by a better side.

You didn't need to hear Austins comments, you could have worked it out yourself. There were only two people fighting for the ball, Austin who thought he had earned the penalty, so the other one must have been the designated penalty taker, who was Tadic you know the guy that normally takes the penalties. It went on for so long because neither backed down and credit should be given to Tadic for not carrying it on afterwards. Two guys wanted to take it, one did, it was scored they all moved on. You have let your dislike of Tadic make a bit of a fool out of you.

I must say two poster fighting to be the most outraged about this is pathetic, standard behaviour for Glasgow the troll and FHF must have been rubbing his hands after the penalty at the opportunity for having a go at Tadic. A historian ignoring the facts to portray a personal bias, the bitter old drama queen should be embarrassed.

Walked on to a site a few years back and the whole team of concrete finishers were Sikhs, it was quiet an unusual sight for me as normally the sites I have worked on are very white. I see loads of their vans driving up from Gravesend in the mornings. This is the point, if you find it difficult to break into one job market then you have to set up a parallel market and Asian firms have now sprung up. It maybe shouldn't be this way but barriers and the desire to work with people you identify with makes this happen.

Man City is state money and Chelsea is a bit bent, both have money coming out of their arses and they chucked a lot of money putting their clubs where they are, money that they are never going to get back. It was all done for prestige and reputation. So it is unlikely that big money or Chinese investment will do a Man City or even provide instant success; Cardiff, Fulham, QPR, Bristol City, Villa, Birmingham, Wolves, none of these teams have had the success that we have had in the last few years. Arguably the success of Leciester, despite having a big backer was achieved without spending big.

I know I'm ****ing useless at this writing lark, I just didn't want to waste another post.

'our' not 'are', it ****ing annoys me so much I'm waste a post on it.

Clubs like any business have always sought to protect themselves; two up two down, shared gate receipts, non-collective bargaining, breaking away or threatening to and forming a new league and now FFP. It was obvious what the consequences were going to be and that's why NC voted against it. Although we don't show any appetite for spending on a large scale, I'm comfortable with that. Not sharing gate receipts was probably the correct thing to do, non-collective bargaining hasn't happen here but has in Spain and Italy I think but was a bit of a disaster. But the move to three up three down took decades and kept teams like us out of the top flight for years. Considering we were one of the best teams in the Southern League we were shafted by being excluded from the Football Leagues land grab of the London based SL teams when the formed the second division, then with the promotion system are rise to the top flight was arguably delayed. Plymouth came 2nd six years on the trot and then 3rd in the twenties when promotion out of the third div south was only one team. So its no surprise that the current system benefits the big boys, and of course us being a bigger boy then some also gain from it.

FCK U Brian.

Every fan base in every club is disjointed, but there are other Saints message boards where the aggression is lower. There is something about this board (and I'm sure it's not isolated to this site) that makes everyone a bit touchy.

The negative transfer spend is through choice, as we have chooses to increase our wage spend, in line with the theory that your league position correlates with wage expenditure and has a looser correlation with transfer expenditure. Our wages are now the 9th highest in the division, so we are moving capital to revenue and paying decent wages and it's all thanks to Liverpool FC.