VectisSaint

So you are sucked in as well. The electoral register is meaningless, as you would know if you were aware of the British electoral system. The Jewish Chronicle, great, font of all knowledge. Have you actually met and discussed this with any real person that might know him? He is probably not the main man, but is involved and has I understand been involved in multi-million deals. Do you honestly believe that MLT would have got involved if the main man was a mummy's boy who had no money. That is just an insult to MLT. I am very happy to face facts, but having been presented with none, I keep an open mind and hope that this deal comes through, despite all the bad press being generated on here. Because the alternative is extinction. I don't play poker, because its a mugs game, and you sir are demonstrating that you are eminently qualified to be a competitor

Nothing to do with the rules of the FL then. 15 points for not coming out of Admin with a CVA. Since we are not in Admin we can't produce a CVA. 15 point deduction nailed on im my view (it woud be wrong but thats not the issue).

How do you sell players when they are out of contract or their contract has been defaulted by non-payment of wages. Players are free agents at the end of this month if they do not get paid. In any case, who do we have to sell? And for that matter who do we have that can sell anyone.

The answer probably is that these people know that they need supporters on their side, and these forums are the best way they have of interacting with what they believe is a reasonably sized cross section of such supporters. Unfortunately they do not realise until too late that there are a number of people on these forums who have been arguing the toss about Lowe and Wilde for so long that they have become blinded to the reality of our situation, and think this is all just a game and that they can make unfounded accusations with no recrimination. With the gutter press we have these days, these comments which the loonies think are just harmless fun, then backfire by being picked up by the press and being reported. Thats when these potential buyers get very concerned about what they are doing.

True, there is no evidence. Just like there is no evidence that Pinnacle are penniless chancers, or that there is a credible Swiss bid in the wings. But there have been plenty of hints about this from Pinnacle and Fry, making it quite clear that the 10 points is not the issue. It is however, one of the most likely scenarios, and is credible. By the way you misunderstand about the Football League. The FL are not the blazer brigade, that is the Football Association. The FL has always been a professional organisation since its founding in 1888. It has often been at odds with the FA, initially because the FA were against professionalism in football. The FL do hold a grudge against the founder members of the FA Premier League, of that I am almost certain.

But thats the point that you are missing. SLH cannot provide a CVA either, because SLH will be liquidated. This is the big issue (not the -10). Those who follow what is happening realise that the FL by their perverse ruling have dug themselves into a corner, but that will not stop them fining us with a further points deduction. They require a CVA to avoid that deduction but legally no-one can provide a CVA, SLH because they are to be liquidated, SFC because they are not in administration. Catch 22, hence Pinnacle or anyone else cannot legally meet the requirements of the FL without having further points deducted. If they did provide a CVA it would be fraudulent. If they did not liquidate SLH and did provide a CVA that would cost and confirm to the FL that SLH/SFC was inextricably linked. The only way out of this is to reach an agreement with the FL not to impose the further penalty and that to my mind is what is holding up the deal.

Unless of course the person/company is not potless, but has been made out to be by members of the press or others posting on message boards without any "proof" other than a fruitless search in google. Seems like MLT still believes the deal will complete. That will certainly make a few people look like chumps.

Wonder where the Echo got its information. Most of the **** being written about this guy was seen on here before it made it to the Echo, and has been repeated by several on here despite them having no grounds for the information that they were writing. Hope SWF don't get sucked in because of some posters.

No, Dyer has gone to Swansea

At this point in time we are not even in League One, or even League Two. We do not have an entry in any League for next season.

But clearly that is not the point. We know we are -10 everyone knows that, always have. The sticking point is not the -10, it is the lack of right to appeal and the imposition of a further penalty when we cannot provide a CVA because we cannot come out of admin as we are not in it. The FL will not issue any statement, they will have provided the information to the parties involved confidentially as any proper business people would do. The sooner people understand the FL owes nothing to supporters the sooner people will be clearer what is going on. The FL also owes nothing to Southampton, indeed they will probably lose no sleep whatsoever in seeing one of the founder members of the FA premier League going under. We are one of 22 clubs who brought the FL to their knees in 1991, there is no love lost between those 22 clubs and the FL. Leeds have already found this to their cost.

And you wonder why people walk away. The Echo gets most of its trash from here, and people like you who know nothing about the guy posting crap like this. Beggars belief that people can be so stupid. The only show in town and ****s want to make the guy look stupid. Of course he will want to help us when he finds out stuff like this is being written. Its not about being thick-skinned, its about people having some respect. There is no other viable option, we will be dead within a wekk unless Pinnacle do the business. The Swiss bid if it exists will go the same way once someone finds out one little bit of information about it, such as the main man lives in a semi in geneva with his Mum. ****** to all of you guys who are pushing this Club closer and closer to the brink of extinction.

But like so many others you have no REAL evidence to support this theory and yet like some other people on here you seem to think that rumour=fact. You probably don't understand the business world to know how due diligence works. If you did you would realise that these stories are probably nonsense. M271 is dead right, we are on the verge of extinction down to Lowe and Wilde, but now people want to blame Lynam and Fry, the only ones so far to have even come close to having a genuine bid. We would already be dead by now if it hadn't been for them and the Swiss bid would not have even occurred (if indeed it has).

They'll probably be contacting Rupert Lowe then...:smt093

The top man evidently lives in a semi in Geneva with his Mum. Is that going to be a problem? Wish people would stop digging, all it does is spread malicious unfounded gossip, and gets people thinking its all great or all about to ge tits up. If it happens then who cares who they are, we are close to extinction and still some people think its fun to try to knock anyone who shows an interest. Personally I feel that the Swiss bid is no more likely than Pinnacle to succeed, in fact probably less so, they will face all the same issues (if there are issues).

Please explain the "logistical nightmare" with the fixtures. How can a team dropping out present a nightmare? It just leaves 23 teams in the division for 1 season, with teams having a day off when they were due to play us. Simples, happens all the time in leagus up and down the country and has happened before in the Football League. Also who would take up a legal battle? If Pinnacle have no money they would not be able to afford it? Especially as they know they would lose. You think Barclays are going to sue the League? Dream on. Aviva, ha ha!! Sorry man, but the FL will not a lose a win of sleep if Southampton, founder members of the FA Premier League go out of business. Its called pay-back time for one of the 22 clubs that shafted the Football League in 1991.

Going into Admin was a better option than being liquidated which was the other option. At least it gave us a chance. If ultimately that does not work either we will be no worse off. The bottom line was that the only way this club was going to continue was for Lowe to leave and to go into administration. It should have happened earlier, but it didn't. No-one wanted us to go into admin because it would be fun, but because it was the only option if we were to survive. Its looking increasingly like it is also going to fail, but at least some people tried.

True, do I believe a respected accountancy firm acting as Administrators, MLT and TL, or do I believe someone who posts on a message board. Duh, difficult one that. Please try to understand that no-one could get this far without the funds existing, and no-one would **** £1mill against a wall just to pull off a hoax.

GM, how can you call yourself a Saints fan and post thgis pile of **** and then immediately log off. Hopefully TL will not read your drivel and will try to conclude a deal, because the alternative as any sane person realises is oblivion.

Please don't let any facts get in the way of your argument. so you still believe that our backer lives at home with his Mum. The stalling is because they are trying to get a deal that allows us to have a chance of existing in the future. This is not some computer game, it is real life, and no-one is going to save us unless they have a reasonable business case to work with. But there, go on try to make the only chance we have look stupid, and see where that gets us.

Why do they owe you clarity and transparency? They are doing their best in an awful situation to save this club from extinction, we don't need clarity and transparency right now, what we need is cool heads concluding this deal, which as far as I can see is still possible, although less likely than I would personally like. There is no other deal, if Pinnacle had not been around we would have been dead 4 weeks ago. I guess maybe that would have saved our sanity a little, but at least they are trying which is more than you can say for anyone else. But there, bright people like you think its cool to diss them and pretend there is an alternative. In fact TL has been as open as anyone could be in this situation, possibly a little more than he should have been, but some of that is clearly being brought on by knuckleheads emailing him, texting him and generally ****ing him off. Meanwhile he tries his best to keep people in the loop and gets insults in return. P have not "led us a merry dance" they have stumped up about a million quids as far as I know, do you really really think they did that just to **** off you and your mates? FFS, some people need to take a reality pill and get off people's cases. This time next week we will either have Pinnacle in charge or we will have ceased to exist, we will be pushing up daisies, bereft of lfe.

Because quite simply their offer, if it even exists, wasn't even on the table. There are some plonkers on here who think that Mr Fry is not a professional who has investigated all of the options and concluded that the best, most viable option was and remains Pinnacle. Anyone who thinks the Swiss or Jackson would be as viable are living in cloud cuckoo land. What we really need now is idiots rubbishing Pinnacle, because the more you do the more likely they will withdraw, and as they are the only real show in town you really need to pray that they don't, because otherwise it is all over for Saints. Maybe it is already, it certainly looks like it may be, and for that ultimately there are 2 people to thank, Lowe and Wilde.

God you really have to despair with some people on here. Thanks a lot Pinnacle, for being the only ones with even a sniff of a chance of saving this club from extinction. When will some of you wake up and realise that without Pinnacle there is no Southampton, and that is thanks to 2 people, Rupert Lowe and Mike Wilde. BWP and Saga leaving, so what, Saga was going anyway and BWP is ****. There are bigger things happening than a couple of crap players leaving the Club.

You seem to forget that Sky and BBC partly fund the FL, they will not rock the boat and risk losing their TV rights, or having them increased in value.

Don't know why peops are getting in a lather about this, when its blidingly obvious, the other gentleman dipping his hand in his pocket is Crouch. There may be others as well. TL clearly stated a couple of weeks back that originally the consortium consisted of 5 people, but gradually they all dropped out except one, but as he said that was a good thing in many ways as there would not be arguments amongst the different backers. My view still remains that unless Pinnacle sign this deal then there will be no SFC next season. The game is over, it is too late for any Swiss or Jacksons to do anything now, and in any case they also could not complete the deal because the problem is with the creditors, who will not agree until they have guarantees from the FL,which they will not get.