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The general consensus amougst our forum superstars is the Mail is not to be trusted, racist, biggoted, tell lies, even hated has been used in the past. Except when it suits, right?

Sorry mate, you're in the wrong place if you think did they right thing back then. The forum superstars on the lounge hate the Mail and all that it stands for. It's racist, evil, even been called the daily racist by some on here. Surely no one on this forum who hates the paper so passionately, believing it to be full of lies, racism and bigotary would support the mail running this story? That would be hypocritical wouldn't it?

Why dont you send a strongly worded email letting them know of your concearns. I'm sure they'll call off the seatch know the 18 years old TSW know it all Young Poster of the Year 2011 is unhappy with they way they are carrying on.

The starting point for this sentance was 12 years.

YEs, i have edited. I was getting confused with none life crimes where you can apply for parole at the half way point of the sentance and be on licence & parole for the remainder.

Indeed. If this is the earliest they can apply for parole it's very rate for lifers to get it first time round, they'll probably end up doing 17-20 years depending on factors in prison.

Edit - amended that is the minimum they'll spend in prison.

So my prediction of 15 was bang on the money. I should be a solicitor.

No it won't be don't be ridiculous, they haven't been on remand for years, its been since their rearrrest. That time will be taken into account when sentenced. IMO they'll get around 15 years and serve about 10-12 of them.

They haven't got away with it, theyve been found guilty. It's quite correct that they be sentenced and minors as that is what they were when the crime was committed. FYI the starting point for this conviction is 12years. The judge can then take into account any mitigation or other factors. Given it is not actually certain who stabbed him and it was one do their group as mitigation but also the way they've shown no remorse and the circumctances around the case I am sure the punishment with be correct in accordance with precedents in British law.

LMFAO!!! That is sooooo funny!!

Round of applause for me. What did I tell you yesterday evening. Turkish is ITK. FACT.

Surely not another occasion where he lept to conculsions and got it wrong? How can this be for a man so great?

Yep, it's there in black and white on page 2 of this thead. "I think they are guilty as f*ck and deserve to hang" Was my view then, is my view now. Still dont let that get in the way of you making yourself look a judgemental, conclusion leaping c*nt as usual.

I bet that was relief, didn't think they were doing concessions, £27 was a bit steep for a nine year old mate!!

Oh dear Verbal, there you go again, telling people what they think. Is your memory and ability to read going as well as your sanity? Prehaps you should read the early posts on this thread where i gave my view on what i thought of the people accused at what should happen to them. It's on page two of this thread if you want to have a look and come back with an apology. Now until you learn to get your facts right and stop pointing fingers and name calling like a 5 year old child based on your own stupidity then i am not going to engage with you again on this subject you silly little man.

Im not sensitive to it at all. I just feel that some people seem to have lost sight on the fact of the lads murder and the struggle and tremendous bravery of his mum in getting justice. I just think for some the murder has become a side issue and the main issue is those convicted were convicted of a race crime, not a murder. ANd that is what i am pointing out to the ones who highlighted the word "racist" earlier up the thread at the verdict and "look look, it WAS a racist attack" type attitudes. I dont give a toss if people think i'm ignorant. I'm just,rightly, IMO opinion pointing out that this was a murder and people have been convicted of murder, some people seem to only care that they have been covicted of a racist murder.

I have been advised by very good authority, who i am not going to name, that he was picked up from Heathrow tonight and is staying at the De Vere with his agent. The deal has been agreed and all that is left is to confirm personal terms. An announcement could be as early as tomorrow provided all goes smoothly.

Which is exactly my point, to a lot of people the murder seems to have taken a back seat, as long as the word "racist" is mentioned somewhere.

Oh come off it Steve. look at the first posts when the verdicts were announced. It wasnt joy and relief that murders were being locked up, it was back slapping, high fiving, "you see, i told you they were racists" type posts. Why does it matter? People are losing sight of the fact a lad was murdered and more self congratulation that the court said they were racist and that was their view. In the grand scheme of things does it matter? A lad was killed, his family, god bless them and fair play to them for the incredilble lengths they went to to get justice, are finally have some sort of closure and justice. People keep on saying i am ignororant. I am not ignorant, i am merely pointing out that to a lot of people the murder seems to be irrlevant, all that matters all that matters is the word "racist" being used by the judge and in the media.

Sorry, what's ignorant about a human being being murdered, not a black man? What's ignorant about not leaping for joy be use some thugs have been convicted of a racist murder? What's ignorant about think a human being killing a person of a different akin colour is no worse than a human being killing a person of the same skin colour?

And a racist murder is worse than a "normal" murder because?

In that case isn't it disgusting that people are giving each other cyber high 5s that those covicted were convicted for a racist murder? And no one has answered the question as to why people think a racist murder is worse than any other.

So this leads to the question who was killed? A black man or a human being? I notice Radio 5 said the murder of the BLACK teenager, Stephen Lawrence when reporting it. Why are people so delighted that it was proven to be racist murder? Amidst all the celebration and backslapping of justice and hallelujah the judge said it was a racist attack, people seem to be forgetting that a lad has been killed here, regardless of the colour of his skin.