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What we need to do in the short term, to fix the first team
Turkish replied to benjii's topic in The Saints
I thought the geniuses on here told us playing two up front was going to fix all the problems? -
Southampton's wretched home form a recipe for relegation
Turkish replied to SuperSAINT's topic in The Saints
It's been said before but the familiarity with our decline now and our decline 2003-2005 is striking. We peaked with a European campaign and a narrow cup final loss. We sold off our best players and replaced them with squad fillers, resulting in us having a big squad full of players of the same, average level. We had a leadership team that believed they had the magic touch and oozed arrogance and complacency and we went through a succession of managers each one worse than the one before it (Perhaps Hughes is a better manager than Pellegrino but as things stand his record is worse). It really is quite remarkable that history could repeat itself. in fact if we go down this season it will be exactly the same time period of two season between 8th place and a cup final to relegation the last time it happened. -
Shane Long provided me with one of the highlights of my saints supporting career. IIRC the game v Chelsea and when running through on goal at pace, a relatively tight angle and not far from goal with the keeper advancing it seemed a very difficult chance to score. he then produced what on first instance appeared to be an outrageous piece of skill, appearing to somehow lob the keeper and get enough dip on the ball for it to clear Courtois and his outstretched arms yet come back down and hit the top the bar, it appeared to be a magnificent attempt and cruelly denied a great goal. However on second viewing he'd actually slipped, miskicked the ball which had then hit his standing foot and looped into the air over the keeper onto the bar.
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As former leader of the famous DEF, Europes most notorious hooligan firm, I can confirm I have been in numerous one sided fights and always ironed out any of the opposition with the rest of my crew. I have since hung up my Stone Island jumper and now, such was our reputation, an away day is more likely to revolve around posing for photos and signing autographs for wannabe hooligans at other clubs. I can exclusively reveal for the first time that I was due to star in The South Coast edition of Danny Dyers real football factories however this was pulled at the last minute due to Sky believing it was an embarrassment to all the other firms that had appeared in the programme.
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Manolo Gabbiadini: Joins Sampdoria - Official
Turkish replied to Portugalsaint's topic in The Saints
Remember when people used to say that sort of stuff about Papa Waigo and Tanadari Lee? Their movement and runs were so good that we didn’t have the players capable to pick them out. Nothing to do with the fact they were both absolute sh*te and Lee in particulars runs were just a headless chicken sprinting around. -
Jannik Vestergaard - Official: Signs for Leicester
Turkish replied to ChiefScummer's topic in The Saints
Our recruitment has been perfect. When we had success we unashamedly positioned ourselves a a show case club. We bring talented players in, they perform for a couple of years, get a big move, we double/treble our money and we go and again. It worked, it's brilliant. But of course our mong fan base didn't like it, whinging and bleating that we sell our best players, whinging and moaning that some of Europes biggest clubs wanted our players because they'd been brilliant for us. So now web got a sod of players we won't be selling isn't that exactly what everyone wanted? People should stop moaning and be over the moon that we won't be selling anyone, its what they wanted. -
I think you’ll find I suggested him 4 years ago while he was manager of Sporting. I said he was great at putting young teams together and would be a good fit for our model. He then went on to do that to great success Monaco. Of course he wasn’t unemployed then so Les wouldn’t have him in his secret file of managers hes been tracking for years that are a great fit for us and that were always our first choice to replace the outgoing manager, but he is in there now, went on the list last week in fact.
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And look what pardew did with it. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Official-Guide-Basic-Team-Coaching/dp/0340816007 A used version for 63p. That’s the thanks les for for offering to help his underling, no wonder he got fired
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Rodgers isn't unemployed so he wont have made it into Les secret dossier of managers which he honestly have been tracking for literally years and are all definitely a great fit for us it's just an amazing coincidence they are always unemployed when we need a manager. The other guy might be if he's out of work as Les will have tracked him for years and know all about him. In any case we're stuck with Hughes now, they wont sack him, it'd look too bad on Les for nausing up another manager. I'm still amused at Ralphs comments that every time we thought about sacking Pellegrino they didn't because results improved. And to think a club that slaps itself on the back for carefully planning everything well ahead of it happening were so influenced by the result of the last game.
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It didn't need to come to this though did it. The gay bloke should have just accepted their point of view and found another baker. Instead the gay guy flounced off and decided he was going to try and make a point and to sue them rather than respect their views. If he'd shown more understanding for others viewpoint then you're right, it wouldn't have come to this. Now I see all the gay activists are up in arms about it saying how disgusting it all is. As usual they scream for equality and freedom of speech yet when it doesn't go their way they scream about how terrible it is that someone is allowed to have a view different to them.
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Sadly TUI has become an extension of the clubs propaganda machine with Nick a lone crusader to convince everyone what s great Job Ralph Kruger is doing. In fact this is the first article I can remember for literally years where he has actually made some semblance of criticism of the club. Back In Corteses era we had regular articles criticising everything from the lack of full advertising boards round the pitch to the wasting of money on transfers even down to fag packet maths as to how much Dani Osvaldos national insurance payments might be. Now all we get is mainly blaming the fans for being negative as Nicks staunch defence of the club becomes increasingly bizarre. The highlight being a post last season where despite being on a terrible run and clear the manager was woefully out of his depth he proclaimed we wouldn’t be able to tell who was the best manager out of Pellegrino and Pochetino until the season has finished. I admire Nick greatly for a lot of what he’s done for the fans over the years, I was one of those who attend the first SISA meeting at the captains corner in the early 90s, but these days his defence of the club and those running it despite all the evidence is very strange to say the least, particularly in years gone by he’s been one of the most vocal dissenters of those running the club when things have been going down the pan.
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this simply isn't true. Another myth about the Cortese reign. Why do you think Schniderlin threw his infamous "6 years ruined in 1 hour" Strop? It was because Cortese had promised him a move the following year if he put a shift in that season. Remember Corteses brash claims of tearing up bids and throwing them in the bin when we started getting approached for oxlaide Chamberlain? How did that turn out? Poch was an ambitious manager, yet he liked Cortese as he had given him a chance to resurrect his career, but do you really think he would have stuck around once a bigger club came calling because he loved he chairman so much? I don't dispute that the players liked Cortese too, to give him credit that was one thing that he did do well, they were treated like royalty and given everything they needed. but again, would they turn down moves to champions league clubs for double the wages because they liked the chairman? Insane to think that's the case. of the players that left Lambert was in decline, Chamberlain was our second choice right back and hasn't developed at all, Shaw and Lovren were both replaced by players at least as good, the only real loss was Lallana. We recruited well and brought in a good manager. There is a lot of sh*t spouted about Corteses, oh if only he was still here! The issue wasn't Cortese leaving it was not replacing him properly, which funnily enough has also been the pattern for players, managers and coaching staff since the summer of 2016.
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Because my version is backed up by direct quotes from Cedric. https://www.ibtimes.co.in/cedric-soares-reveals-receiving-proposals-leave-southampton-764789 Now tell me which one is more likely to be telling the truth? A player with absolutely no reason to lie, or the club trying to appease and already disillusioned fan base? "oh we did everything we could, honestly we did but we had to sell him"
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So we didn’t sell on our terms then, we had little choice but to sell. Aside from that we didn’t tell them to eff off, That’s not actually true it’s the spin out out by the club. We were prepared to sell in the summer along with Cedric who was also negotiating a move away but when the takeover by Gao started to go through the deal was put back. Cedric knuckled down Van Dijk sulked and behaved like a ****. Up to you if you believe me or not, I know as a cheerleader for the club you’ll want to believe we bullied Liverpool into coughing up £75m but it ain’t true.
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Sold him on our terms a couple of days before the window opened, we were so reluctant to sell we sold him before we even could? Sold him on our terms after he'd sulked, played awfully for most of the season and been a pain in the arse behind the scenes? Sold him on our terms after saying he wasn't for sell? Sold him on our terms after pronouncing when Hoedt signed he was here to play alongside Van Dijk? Because call me cynical but i'd say that if there is one thing we didn't do, it was sell him on our terms.
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Maybe we need relegation like we needed administration...
Turkish replied to alpine_saint's topic in The Saints
If you can’t understand that premier league is 100% set up for the big 4-6 clubs to succeed at the expense of everyone else then you are even more dense than I thought you were and that is some achievement. -
He’s really benefited from the coaching of Dave Watson. He’s been transformed from Reading and Palaces back up keeper to first choice premier league and international keeper. All credit to Watson and course Les Reed and Ross Wilson for spotting McCarthys potential when no one else did.
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I would say that the average poster is overwhelmingly a clueless dinlow with no idea what they are talking about. Some outstanding examples of this include Calum Chambers being described as the new Bobby Moore Jake Sinclair, last seen playing at Mangotsfield United, our next great academy hope Writing off Pele after seeing him play in his first preseason friendly after signing Being obsessed with a member of the back off team, mentioning his name on virtually ever post despite him leaving 4 years ago
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Steve Bruce is a manager we have always admired. We have tracked his progress for years. He was always our first choice for the role when it became available. We believe Steve is the man whose owner values match those of the club and we strongly believe he is the man to return successful, attacking football to the club. Les Reed March 2019.
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I am disappointed at your lack of knowledge here CB Fried (PMSL) It was in 2002 and it was to win the Oxfordshire Benevolant cup. Disapointingly our FA CUp final defeat against Arsenal prevented us from become the first team ever to record the historic double of an FA Cup and Oxford Benevolent cup victory in the same season.
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It’s interesting to notice a few months ago when we made some early signings this was hailed as evidence Les had been moved to one side, Hughes wasn’t letting him balls up transfers and someone else was in charge. Now those signings haven’t been brilliant straight away it’s all reeds fault
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He wasn't. I know 100% he wasn't and the director who told the board admins is highly likely to be the same one who told someone I know very, very well that there would be a number of names linked with buying the club leaked to the press and fans to try to attract investors and push a couple of people who genuinely were interested at that time. I'm not going to say who it was that told me this but they are someone I have known for over 20 years and was very close to the club at the time.
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I used to love the days when we would read that on here, how the league cup and the FA Cup were beneath us with our one trophy in 133 years.
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Puel didn't take over a team that had finished 6th, he took over a club that had finished 6th. That team had been stripped of his two leading goalscorers, it's best defensive midfielder and had Fonte causing issues behind the scenes. Then in January he left and Van Dijk got injured. The team that finished 6th had been stripped of arguably five its best players by the mid point of the season. The team MP took over had only lost 2 in 9 games, we were fifteenth when he took over, we finished, errr 14th. The following season he added Wanyama and Lovren to the team, Rodriguez, Lambert, Lallana, Shaw and Clyne all had a years experience in the premier league and got international recognition that season. He had a midfield of Schniderlin and Wanyama, at the time one of the best central midfield pairs in the league. I'm not suggest Pochetino was a bad manager, hes a very good one and did good job here, but I would argue that the team Pochetino had was much better than the one Puel had in his season here. It's blindingly obvious to anyone that the team Koeman had was also far surperior player for player. You say we spent a lot of money, but that's not down to Puel, it was the board and can you name a single signing that was better than the player they replaced? Mane and Pelle scored 29 goals between them in Koemans last season, Austin, Redmond and Boufal scored 19. Even adding Gabbiadini into the mix in January his 6 goals still left us 4 short of Mane and Pelles total. The fact that under 3 seperate managers Austin cant stay fit, Redmond has never really delivered and Boufal is out on loan says it wasn't Puels bad management that is the problem with those signings. So perhaps the players didn't like him, but those same players who got him sacked then carried on being d*cks for Pellegrino, who whilst being a terrible manager showed that it was Puels personality that was the issue. As I said above Puel was by no means perfect but facts are facts. He got a bad hand and despite some bad results his one season here was one of the best we've ever had in terms of final league position and performances in the cup competitions.
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his results were awful? He finished 8th and got us to a cup final. If you look at the overall results in his season with us compared to Pochetinos only full season then Puel did better. Yet Pochetino is a hero and Puel is boring, awful manager. if you're looking purely at results like you state then Puel is a genius and guided us to one of our greatest seasons ever despite having to play half the season without a decent centre back and no one who could score a goal. So based on that he did a great job compared to Pochetino, he also did better than some of what went before him, if you're only going to look at results of course. You say I highlighted some good results when Puel was here and don't mention the bad ones. Well there were back ones under Pochetino and Puel as well. People forget under the brilliant Pochetino we lost 1-0 at home against soon to be relegated Cardiff, at Christmas time we went on a run of only 1 in in 9 games, we got knocked out of both cups by the dreadful sunderland who we also needed a last minute equaliser against to nick a point at home in the league. Under Koeman we went on a run where we lost 6 out of 8 games, people were starting to call for his head, that same season we also suffered our biggest home defeat in decades and went out of the FA cup with a home loss to Crystal Palace. We finished 6th that season due to the terrible performances of Chelsea and Liverpool. Yet everyone looks back on that period as a an era where we were ripping the league up smashing teams left right and centre every week. The reality is that the end results are pretty comparable and there were some very good performances and some bad ones for all 3 managers, the difference being Pochetino and Koeman both had far better squads and far better players than Puel did.
