hypochondriac

Will it be on sky?

But do you not agree trousers that it is ok to be unimpressed by a player who then has a subsequent upturn in form? I don't think that applies here as lee has done well IMO but I can see the point of view. It would only prove the poster who was unimpressed wrong if they had predicted that the poor form in their eyes would continue.

No one has me on ignore to my knowledge. Unless you are in pm dialogue with a number of posters about me (which would be extremely weird but not something that would surprise me) then I don't know how you could possibly know that either. The majority of 'stick' as you put It comes from the same four or five posters: buctootim, yourself, gingeletiss, thedelldays (who just likes to take the opposing view for the sake of an argument) and smirking saint. Two of those are on ignore and have been for sometime. It makes the messageboard a lot more readable. Thankfully, the vast majority are able to debate sensibly and without following a poster such as myself around the board and deliberately trying to bait them. The likes of spudgun, minty, old nick and trousers are examples of long term posters who funnily enough are able to disagree with me and address the points raised in an argument without resorting to the troll-like rubbish that the five I mentioned routinely come out with.

Indeed it is hilarious victor. Avenue saint has no self awareness and has made himself look a bit simple as you said.

. Indeed...

This except that I do mean offence by it.

I quite agree. I think we have to remember that it is a big upheaval to come all the way over here and so I reckon he can only get better. He has contributed well so far and helped us to achieve some impressive results. I like him a lot so far.

Much worse.

What a complete cretin. Sending someone messages who has them on ignore. Simpleton.

Absolutely my feelings too. I've been impressed with how well he has adapted and would much rather have him up front away from home than Guly.

Mostly the self confessed WUM TDD and you. I'm not exactly going to lose much sleep because you don't have a great opinion of me. In fact, considering the majority of your responses I consider it somewhat of a compliment.

Absolutely nothing wrong with making an initial judgement about a player based on rival fans who have seen him play. Plenty of times I have done similar and the comments have proven to be accurate. It just so happens that this time this was not the case. One example is Jonathon Forte. S****horpe fans thought he was not very good and they were proven correct, despite our scouts and manager with better football credentials thinking he was worth giving a long term contract too. Asking other fans is a quick and easy way to get an initial opinion about a player before you see him play. My initial opinion was based on that and I see no harm in having that stance, even if subsequently those opinions turn out not to be accurate.

Sounds pretty awful but prepared to see what he is like- nothing wrong there. Celtic fans made him seem awful but I WAS PREPARED TO SEE WHAT HE WAS LIKE. Clearly the backup option- Certainly appeared that way at the time. Prepared to accept I was wrong although it is perfectly conceivable that he was our secondary target. Very disappointed TBH and what started as a promising window has gone downhill.- Certainly appeared that way at the time. IMO our excellent January window negated our lack of strength in depth in the summer. Thankfully we didn't have an injury crisis until November and December when our form suffered dramatically. we have to settle for Celtic's fourth choice CB which on the face of it doesn't sound very good at all.- On the face of it it didn't sound good. Ultimately it was Celtic's judgement that was found to be flawed. Then why have other managers been able to sign half decent players? Not sure what that is in response to, again I imagine I was commenting on initial feelings of disappointment stemming from the sources I have already mentioned. and we have a reserve team CB to show for it when what we desperately needed was real quality next to Fonte to form a partnership. - again, no evidence of writing him off. Expressed disappointment based on the initial facts. Nice to see I am getting a bit less abuse than normal. I have been totally consistent throughout the window, a quality permanent CB and optionally a striker was what was needed and for whatever reason, if we are honest with ourselves we haven't delivered in the market in that area - I still believe we could have got a topclass striker in the summer and if we lose out on promotion, that dip in form could prove very costly. Quite prepared to admit I should not have said that Jos was not quality. Based on my previous comments though, it is obvious that I was basing those comments on the evidence available. I had already said I am prepared to give him a chance. we have wasted an opportunity to push on from our great start - and ultimately that blip in November and December could still prove costly. I hope he will do a decent job despite my initial feelings of disappointment- The clearest evidence yet that I hoped he would do a good job and that whilst I was initially disappointed, I was prepared to give him a chance. It's what I said from the beginning. So in those quotes, only once did I make a judgement about Jos' quality for us, the rest were based on an initial judgement from the Celtic fans. For the comment about Jos' future ability I do apologise but at the time AS I HAVE SAID CONSISTENTLY I was initially disappointed but prepared to give him a chance.

First class response. I must commend you on that.

Precisely. There is a very obvious distinction between looking at the available facts and forming an initial opinion or making an initial prediction whilst being very open to revise that opinion once more information has become available (such as seeing a player play), and writing off a players chances before they have kicked a ball. I'm not particularly surprised that the same old faces do not understand this and it's happening with Lee now (though I happen to believe that Lee looks very good)

Who wrote him off before he kicked a ball? If you think there were numerous people writing him off (not me, since the FIRST comment I made about him stated that whilst it seemed disappointing, I was prepared to give him a chance and see how he did) then I'm sorry TDD but once again you are the one talking rubbish. He has been really great this season and shown that Celtic fans were too hasty to write him off, something that I did not do before he had played for us.

My exact position is the same now as it was at the time. I said it countless times but the likes of yourself still continue to read what they want to read. I was underwhelmed by Jos signing based on the Celtic fans and what they said about him. At no point did I write him off. I'm not sad enough to go back and find the first comment I made about Jos but it was something like 'pretty underwhelmed but I'm prepared to give him a chance and I hope he comes good.' Rewrite history all you like but those are the facts.

Based on the comments of the Celtic fans yes. So at no point did anyone write Jos off either before he kicked a ball or subsequent to that. In fact, some said that although they were initially underwhelmed, they were more than prepared to give him a chance to see what he could do and hoped he did well.

No one dismissed Jos after a handful of games. They expressed initial reservations based on Celtic fan comments. Big difference.

This should happen.

I'm so glad that when we went down and in admin we went down with dignity even though e did support the team. This awful 12th man, 'pack the park' and 'fortress fratton' is the most cringeworthy thing I have ever heard. Why do they swallow this cr*p?

Lol. Incredibly deluded and pathetic. What would be most funny would be if they were docked some more points now.

Didn't doncaster just go bottom again?

Brilliant result. Lets win and reclaim our place!

Best West Ham score now.