Jimmy_D

It's part of the fabric of football. Club has fans. Player does something good for club, fans happy with them. Player does something bad for club, fans not happy with them. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Also, wanting to keep hold of the best defender in the world is petty?

Most ever ex-players from one team in a CL final? It's actually a bit ridiculous.

Very sad news RIP

Incredible.

So now you're going to try and argue that Klopp is some sort of magical being that can force a player to want to join Liverpool so much that it absolves that player of any responsibility for his actions to try and join?

Aside from Luke Shaw having convinced Schneiderlin to join you mean? https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/revealed-how-luke-shaw-persuaded-6057324 In any case, it doesn't really matter whether he was tapped up or not. He wanted to move, we stopped him, and he got on and did his job for us without being a **** like VvD was. You're really going to try and argue we didn't suffer any ill effects from what VvD did?

If you want an actual direct parallel, it'd be Schneiderlin. Put in arguably his best season for us after he got tapped up by Man Utd and we turned down his move. Saints had every right to expect a player to honour more than one year of a six year contract. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous. You still haven't addressed why people shouldn't be ****ed off with someone that caused a lot of damage to the club they support. If you want evidence of them offering less than £75M, here's what they were leaking to their pet journos. https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool-sign-virgil-van-dijk-10565543

I thought EVERYONE would have acted like VvD did? Well, if it's only 95% now at least we're making some progress. Liverpool weren't offering £75M to start with. They tapped him up so he'd force a move and they could get him cheaply. It was only when they got caught they decided to cough up rather than have Saints ****ed off at them and with evidence that had them dead to rights.

Like I already said, plenty of other players have been tapped up without being transferred or going on strike. Like I already said, VvD took actions that directly damaged the club he was supposed to represent, on purpose. Why shouldn't people be ****ed off with him? You're just going round in circles and you don't have a leg to stand on here.

Actually, he did. He refused to play for a while. We fined him for it. Saying everyone would do what he did is demonstrably not true, no matter how many times you bleat it.

Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lallana also possible this season. Clyne would be another but isn't in named in the squad so can't appear even if his loan is finished by then.

He had FIVE years left on his contract. At the time it was absurd to think he'd leave.

We had the best defender in the World playing for us. He had five years left on his contract. We knew that any amount of money wouldn't be enough to replace that. No one expected VvD to be as much of a **** as he was, considering it looked like he genuinely liked it here the previous two seasons. If he'd been like most footballers, he'd probably have played for another two seasons and then left.

So to follow your logic here... All footballers would act like VvD did in VvD's situation. Because all footballers would act like VvD did, he wasn't wrong to do so. Therefore it's unreasonable to be annoyed with VvD because he was right to act the way he did. Clearly, not all footballers would act the way VvD did. Le Tissier is the obvious example, but Mané maybe works better, he put the effort in despite wanting to leave and arguably had his best season the season he left. Plenty of footballers have moves to other clubs fall through without going on strike. We've already established that not all footballers would act the way VvD did anyway, but even so, what VvD did wasn't right. He signed that contract knowing we wanted to build the team around him for years to come. He completely torpedoed that and any player we were thinking of signing that summer was joining a club where the best player was making a huge mess trying to leave. He massively damaged the club he was supposed to be representing and fighting for. As for being annoyed with VvD, we're fans of the club. We're annoyed when a player makes a genuine mistake during a match that hurts the club. VvD went out of his way to take actions that actively damaged the club and you actually expect people to be ok with that? That's quite funny.

I'm not so sure it's done no good at all. It's probably made players think twice before going to talk to other clubs behind our backs.

If you want a real world work analogy, it was more like a builder agreeing to build a house for you, then going off to talk to other landowners to talk about building a house for them while he's just started on your foundations, and then refusing to do any more work until you release him from his contract.

You are kidding right? VvD had met up with Klopp and was discussing having a team built around him before the club knew there was any interest at all, going behind the club's back and talking to another club a few months after signing a 6 year contract. There's a reason Liverpool became the first team in history to actually publicly apologise for tapping up. VvD going on strike and refusing to play as a result of that tapping up was just the icing on the cake, as well as creating merry hell in the dressing room. Everyone was worse as a result of his actions. Arguably our slump the last three seasons can still be traced back to what that **** did.

I really didn't want Liverpool to pull that off, but I can't help but be impressed that they actually managed it. Barcelona of all teams looked like rabbits in headlights by the end.

Looked like a pretty clear dive to me.

Heck of a game this.

The red card would have been for preventing a goal scoring opportunity. You could argue the goal was a different opportunity but usually it’s interpreted that the opportunity wasn’t prevented if they score like that.

Safe to say we were on the beach for that one. The fringe players that were given a chance certainly haven't taken it.

Bloody Hell. Superhuman effort.

Gutted for him Hopefully he can pull through somehow, even if it's not looking likely right now, but if this is it, an utterly incredible effort to have done what he's already done.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48114698 This headline was fairly prophetic