Tamesaint

I cannot really believe that you want to carry on with this particular debate. I thought that your absence from this board over the last few days was your tacit acknowledgment that you were wrong but clearly not. You want to continue this debate. I am not quite sure what you are trying to prove but I guess that you want to show that you are really, really currently living within your means. Lets look at a few facts - taking your numbers where we can: Lets suppose that your average attendance will be 14,500 this season. I think that this is unlikely. We will fill your stadium for you and that will increase your average but so far this season you have averaged 14,247. Your last attendance was 12,102 which looks ominous and must cast doubt on your average being 14,500 - but lets take your figure. You claim that the average revenue is £22. Others on this forum have cast doubt on it being this much but lets again take your figure. Taking your figures your gate receipts will be £6.1 million this season -after VAT: £ £ Revenue before VAT per match 319,000 Revenue before VAT per season 7,337,000 Deduct VAT at 20% -1,222,833 Revenue per season 6,114,167 Now lets look at some of your outgoings. You do not seem to dispute the posts on here that say that TBH is on £36k per week, Kitson and Lawrence on £20k per weeek and you say that Varney and "a couple of others" are on £15 k per week. I am not sure why there are only a "couple of others" on this much - Halford, Kanu and Moekana would all be on decent wedges whilst I am sure that Norris didn't leave Ipswich to be one of the lower paid players but lets take your figures and just assume that there are only a couple of others on £15k per w eek: TBH = £36 k per week =- 1,872,000 Kitson = £20k per week = 1,040,000 Lawrence = £20k per week = 1,040,000 "Varney and a couple of others"= £15k per week 2,340,000 Total wages for 6 players 6,292,000 National Insurance at 13.8% on 6 players wages 868,296 TOTAL WAGE COSTS FOR 6 PLAYERS 7,160,296 So in other words just 6 of your players will cost more than £1 million more than your gate receipts this season - and thats using your dodgy numbers!! Of course you have other sources of income. Like the Cups. I am sure that the proceeds from your League Cup run will go a long way to flling the gap. How many did you get watching your game against Barnet?? 4,464 wasn't it?? Your share of that would pay the wages of TBH for what, 3 days??? Of course I forgot the other sources of income. Like the hospitality boxes that all clubs have these days- oh I forgot about you. Never mind. I just hope for your sake that CSI have deep pockets because without them digging deep there is no way that you are going to get £13 million income... and you are going to need at least £ 13 million to keep going. In addition to the high earning 6 players you have another 15 (by your reckoning) to pay. And the Clot wants to be paid, As do the coaching staff. And Lumpitt. And the rest of the "business." Keeping a football club going is pretty expensive these days. Apparently your lot flew to Leeds the other day. Perhaps they should have hitch hiked!!

An instant classic!!

Now come on Corp. You know jolly well that you are not very good at numbers so why do you try?? This is one of the funniest posts you have written. You have forgotten VAT in your sums.You have forgotten that other people at the club like the Clot need to be paid. You have wildly overstated the price of a ticket (average £26 !!!) and even then your dodgy maths gets you to players wages = 125% of turnover - before owners's contributions. How about all the other costs of running a business?? Just admit it - you are financially fcked and it is going to end in tears ....again.

After his display at SMS I cannot see Ridgewell being on Adkins's shopping list.

During this international break, I began to wonder if it is possible to get 2 more contrasting managers than Rednapp and Adkins ? Adkins talks about the team and uses phrases like "together as one." Rednapp used to refer to the team as "they" - never "we." Adkins is incredibly positive about the "great football club" and its fans. Rednapp never seemed to have a good word to say about us. Rednapp courts the press and is ever ready to come up with a quote and be interviewed. Adkins just has the same dozen or so phrases that he trots out each week and appeared rather uncomfortable in front of Mark Clemet and the BBC cameras last week. Perhaps the biggest difference though is that Rednapp took us out of the Premiership and was a rubbish manager for us - Adkins will (fingers crossed) take us back into the Premiership and be our king!

A point which has not been raised so far in this debate is the attitude of the Leibhers to capital investment. It has been remarked before on this board that the Leibhers like to invest in tangible assets rather than in short term assets. I am not an expert in how they built their business but it is pertinent that one of the first decisions that they made at Saints was to invest in better training facilities at Staplewood - despite the Lowe regime having constantly told us how wonderful Staplewood was. Putting the money up for a gradual stadium expabnsion may well tie in with their business ethos. It is Cortese who keeps on mentioning a larger stadium. See his interview in the Sun 10 days ago. I am sure that if a larger ground had been completely ruled out by the Leibhers he would never be raising it. My view, for what it is worth, is that a gradual stadium expansion will start within a season or two of us getting into the Premiership - a bit like Wolves have done (cue abuse about Wolves's relevance to us :-) ). I don't know which stand will be expanded first but I bet that a gradual expansion would see the stadium being filled!!

Its easy. Just read the Bible and the story of 5 loaves and 2 fishes (or was it 5 fishes and 2 loaves?). A little divine intervention can go a long way.

Which post was that? I would be quite interested to know. I cannot remember a post mentioning these figures. We know that you aren't very good with numbers so I would be interested to see your source.

You cannot expect them to get figures to add up. They aren't very good with numbers in Portsmouth. Must be something to do with their webbed fingers - I mean even old matey Corp Ho reckons that Pompey's attendances are increasing: 16,496 - first match v Brighton 13,438 v Reading 14,354 v Cardiff 14,935 v Blackpool 12,102 v Peterborough If you have had a Portsmouth education that's a steady increase!!

You are priceless aren't you. Do you really exist or are you just a made up comedy figure??? Why on earth did you include transfer fees in that sentence if you now acknowledge that the transfer fee that we received for AOC was double what we had spent in the last 2 years?? If transfer fees have not been overspent, why include them in that sentence? You quote the attendances of 3 matches you have played this season ... but have conveniently forgotten the first home match of the season when you had an attendance of 16,496. Rather than Pompey's attendances increasing, it looks as if your attendances peaked at the start of the season and have been falling away ever since. Like you (according to your wife / sister) Pompey's attendances have peaked too quickly!!

You are stupid because you say that we are running at a loss on transfer fees when we have just pocketed £12 million from Arsenal for Oxlade Chamberlain which is roughly double what we have paid out in total over the last 2 years. You are stupid because you say that your gates are increasing when on Saturday you had 14,000 at fratton Park and on tuesday you had 12,000. Do you understand now ?? Or are you just stupid ??

You Pompey boys are not very good with numbers and cash are you ?? I would like to know how transfer fees mean that we are running at a loss after just picking up £12 million (plus addons) for Alex. Corp - you really are priceless. Are you really this stupid or are you pretending?

12,102... Pathetic You really are priceless aren't you. If you ever tried to p*** yourself laughing you would end up drowning!!

Blimey!! That ref must have been really awful. I wonder if the Clot will blame him!!!

Oh dear. Another poor ref. He must be poor as Pompey are 2-1 down at half time. I hope he improves or else he is going to get it in the neck from the clot.

If I was an Arsenal fan, I would be crying out for Wenger to be replaced by someone like Adkins .... but these days football is so strange. The top clubs are so far up the ar se of the Champios League that they will not pick an up and coming English manager like Adkins. Their new manager will have to have European experience and know the ins and outs of the Potuguese second division or the name of Messi's barber. I bet that Nigel doesn't even know the best route to the San Siro from the airport!! These days you cannot just pick a good English manager from ouside the Premiership for these sort of clubs. A big club would also need a name as their next manager. I mean , who at Sky has even heard of Nigel Adkins ?? Has he ever been a summariser on a televised Champions League game?? Has he ever been interviewed on the Talk Sport radio breakfast show ?? You won't be able to convince your average plastic Manc or your stay at home Chelsea fan / Gooner that you have chosen a good manager if he hasn't been spotted fawning round Jamie Rednapp or talking b ollocks with Alan Brazil. I think that Saint Nigel is here for a long time.... and I am delighted by it.

I went to MK Dons & saw Nigel's first game in charge. What a difference between then and now. That night was really depressing. We were dumped in the bottom 4 and another relegation seemed on the cards. That night was soooo depressing. The amazing thing is that the team in that match looks very similar to the team these days. Davis, Harding, Jose, Seaborne, Butterfield, Hammond, Morgan, Lambert, Connolly. The only noticeable absentee was Lallana and on the other hand Puncheon was also playing. What Nigel has achieved with this same bunch of players is quite frankly amazing. Long may Nigel be our king.

That is very unfair. Corp has an interesting life. It is about to be dramatised by the BBC. I have got an advance copy of the script: Date Saturday 10 September Time 6.45 pm - Unlucky Pompey have just gone down 4-3 to the cheating Hammers . The Saints have just won at home again and the gap between them and Pompey is increasing ever larger. Scene: Corp Ho's front room - somewhere in Portsmouth Present : Mr & Mrs Corporate Ho. Mrs Ho: (seductively) Hey , bro. Little Corpette is out at our mum's. Why don't you and me go upstairs and try to make her a little brother. Corp Ho : (crouched over a keyboard) - In a minute my dear. I just need to finish this post for the Saintsweb. Mrs Ho: What are you still on that? You've been writing that for ages. You even missed listening to Clotterill's moan about the ref to start writing that.. Corp Ho: Its all right. I heard it last week and I will hear it again next week. I just need to fiinsh this post. That Rallyboy has been really getting on my nerves lately. Mrs Ho: But you have been writing on that forum for ages . At first you promised that you would only write when you were at work. Corp Ho: Yes. but all the fat from the burgers I was flipping just messed up the keyboard. Mrs Ho: Now you have now written nearly 800 posts - all on the same subject. Don't you think that they are bored with reading the same drivel from you? Why don't you come upstairs? I'm nearly 16 now so its almost legal. Corp Ho : I can't sis. I am committed to the great Pompey cause. If I keep banging away on the same drum they may listen to me. I cannot rest until every Saints fan has joined the Blue Few!! Mrs Ho : (annoyed now) : Well I'm going out then. You aren't the only brother I've got!! THE END And then he posted on Saturday evening.

What a surprise. Charlie Wayman comes out with a negative comment.

He is from Portsmouth. What do you expect? Intelligence??

I note that Corp came back to this thread but never answered this question. Is it possible that Corp has got it wrong & the cancer charites have not been paid??

AOC's dad never really achieved that much in the game. He was a bright winger who never ever seemed to fulfil his potential. I wonder if his son will ever do better?

Is there such a thing as the internet police who can shut down Irish websites?

Has the website with the Harry story been got at? I looked briefly at work but I cannot find it now at home when I have more time to enjoy it.

Hmmm. You are worrying me know