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On the first part. Let's say that back in the day some young Irish lad goes and buys the cakes for an IRA meeting. Helping them. Would it have been ok for the British army to blow up a place where he's staying and kill 20 innocents? Would those deaths have been on the IRA, or the army? The second part is too daft to address. This isn't WW2. It's not even a war.

The only reasonable answer is no. I'd be interested to know who on here is honest enough to say yes.

Strange part of the article to focus in. To address that, let's assume that he's perhaps a bloke that went to a Hamas meeting, or drives a Hamas vehicle. They therefore blow his house up killing another 20 innocent people. Is that reasonable in your opinion?

UN human rights council have backed a resolution for a weapons ban on Israel for its war conduct. Only 6 nations opposed the resolution. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-68738452?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=660fc902b26acd1fbf33090b%26Why the UN rights council vote on Israel is significant%262024-04-05T12%3A46%3A16.499Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:28274bf9-6216-456b-b198-c9808aafc2d8&pinned_post_asset_id=660fc902b26acd1fbf33090b&pinned_post_type=share

I think you've lost your way a bit in your attempt to justify your sympathies on this issue.

I've no doubt about that, although I haven't been told that's how the club feel. My info was a few months ago before the wheels fell off and rolled down the road.

That's their concern as i was told. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go whatever happens this season. He's just not been good enough with the squad that he has.

That's contrary to something I heard (from someone to be trusted) a wee while ago which essentially was that there were concerns about him if we made it up.

Ice

Caramel

Nutshell. Amen to that.

I've not accused anyone of supporting war crimes.

Jelly

Have you read the letter I linked? Re children. It's says "The Commissioner General of UNRWA has described the Israeli military operation in Gaza as “a war on children and their future”, observing that more children have been killed in the last four months in Gaza than have been killed in the last 4 years of wars around the world combined". Is that any better than the behaviour of Hamas on 7/10? It's certainly on a bigger scale. Re degrading behaviour it says "The abuse of Palestinian civilians has touched every sector of society. The UN Special Rapporteur on torture has cited reports of mass detention, ill-treatment and enforced disappearance of Palestinians in Northern Gaza. Six UN experts have condemned the arbitrary detention, disappearance, deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of women and children in Gaza.Your Government is seeking a “full explanation” of allegations of arbitrary detention, torture and humiliation of medical staff from Al Nasser Hospital". Are the Israeli's any better than Hamas? Again, their actions are on a bigger scale. That's the tip of the iceberg. There's the destruction of medical facilities, the use of famine as a weapon, etc etc. I'm glad that 600+ leading academics, judges, lawyers, etc, have more about them than a few on this thread.

Probably best that he didn't given how obtuse he's been of late.

Can't disagree with any of that.

Israel do not want a Palestinian state. They've confirmed that recently. Their actions in the west bank, settlements etc, make it clear that they seek to erode what the Palestinians have. You, naively, seem to believe that if Hamas change their ways the problem goes away. Two states, as a principle, is a start but ISRAEL DO NOT WANT PALESTINE TO EXIST AT ALL (as we're shouting to get points across, I thought I'd join in).

And definitely not by carrying on as they are. Agreeing the principle of two states is a start.

Yeah, free the hostages and eliminate Hamas. Great idea, that'll sort it. Or something.

Doubtless they'll be along later mate. Thankfully some sensible people will likely turn up too.

You didn't make your point clear, you just made the very simple point that one group is a terrorist organisation. We all know that's the label they've been given, and all know that at times they behave like a terrorist organisation. You alo know that the situation goes well beyond that, and that pointing that out makes no difference to what's happening on the ground, and ignores the wider picture. If you want to focus on recent times, you have to address and acknowledge the Israeli behaviour, both pre and post 7/10. Alas, there are a few on here unable to do that, and their view of what's happening, and has happened, is somewhat simplistic, naive, and 6th form at best.

To use Whelks terminology, that's a simplistic 6th form view. Fortunately some of the leading lights in the legal profession and judiciary etc have a more mature and fact based opinion. Their letter to Rishi is worth a read. It's here: https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:EU:9e4c3b64-2029-4dfb-b572-c1dc9fb3d7bf

That's one view. The alternative approach - is your assumption that all Israeli's were peaceful and happy to live side by side the Palestinians at any point over recent times, and that Hamas was not created as a result of Israeli behaviour towards Palestine and it's people? There is a reason that Palestinians react the way they do which seems conveniently ignored. If only they weren’t resisting, Israel would be pulling down the settlements and not 'arresting' Palestinians en masse and detaining them without charge, right? Too many people have such a simplistic sixth form view of the situation.

Divided

Yep. Pretty crass comment from him, but sadly there are still some who believe that this is a fight between Israel and Hamas, not an attack on Gaza.