Lord Duckhunter

Not at all. Even if we did lose the 2018 one, I'm pretty confident we could win the 2020 or the 2022 one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

A referendum on Out with the deal or out with no deal isn't a second referendum. It'll be the first referendum on whether to enter a trade deal with The EU . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

And another, and another and another. Let’s keep having them, until we vote the right way. Or we could follow the Governments £9 mil leaflet which stated “A once in a generation decision” “The referendum on Thursday, 23 June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union. The government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU. This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving. This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide.” Perhaps they should have written A once every 2 years decision The referendum on Thursday, 23 June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or vote again. The government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU. This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving. This is your decision. The government will make you vote again and again until you decide to remain in. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Don’t talk nonsense. A politician claiming before a vote that you can’t have a second one, but then calling for a second one just because his side lost, is a completely different thing than divorce or swapping TV channels. Is the next one going to be final, or if you lose again will remoaners “change their mind” and call for another one and then another, how many will it take before we finally leave, 4,5,6?. Why don’t we have one every 4 years, like the World Cup? Perhaps Adonis, Gina Miller or AC Wailing could try and chuck one of Gove’s shoes over a Big Ben , if he manages to do so, w e remain in The EU. That’ll sort it once and for all. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Every unprincipled politicians get out. Of course you’ll only apply it to ones that agree with you. I bet you weren’t so understanding when Clegg changed his mind on tuition fees. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Not if you’re a Tory they’re not. Johnny Major took Maggie’s 102 majority and turned it into 21. Then he had 5 years of his own government , the last 2 with Hestletine as his deputy. He managed to lose 4.4 million votes and and give Labour a majority of 179. He’s by far and away the biggest loser in modern Tory history and when you’re up against Grocer Heath, Cameron and May, that takes some doing. Mind you, May’s giving him a run for his money. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Course it wasn't over. Do the Scottish Nats stop wanting and campaigning for independence just because they lost a referendum . It's not over for Major or any of the other remain fanatics, they can campaign all they want to take us back into the EU. But thats not what they're doing though is it, they're campaigning to overturn the original vote before it's even been implemented, which is an entirely different thing. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

John major on Marr today calling for a second referendum. Here’s what he said on the very same show before the 2016 referendum. “If we come out, we’re out. That’s it. It’s not politically credible to say let’s have another referendum, we’ve reconsidered. If we vote to stay out, we are out, and will just have to get on with it”. Of course, once his side lost it all changed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I'm not so sure the Tories are "hopelessly" divided, there's a dozen or so remain extremists, the rest just want us out , there maybe divisions on how we get out, but I'm pretty sure a deal like Tusk proposed in March would get the vast vast majority of Tory MP's voting for it. The party as a whole is certainly not divided The Soubry, Grieve wing of the party would get annihilated if their candidate got into the final two. Because of this the only side she could of picked and remained in charge was the leave side. I doubt Grieve and his bunch of ideologues could muster enough letters to even get a vote of confidence called. The other side clearly can, and will do so at a time of their choosing. Personally, I think they should do it now, but they've obviously doubts as she may survive it. I guess they're waiting until the EU water down chequers and then more will want her out. She did have a plan and vision, from Lancaster house to Mansion house via Florence, she spelt it out. She just didn't have the balls, leadership or belief to stick to it.

This far out the only thing that matters is fitness. Derby are probably ahead of us in this respect as their season starts a week earlier. Nobody I know gives a flying **** about preseason, performances or results. I guess Sky are diving it, but I don’t recall much interest in pre season before the premier league. Still at least the planks on here have had the opportunity to practise their moaning before the real thing starts. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Let’s hope so. If they won’t give an inch on some areas, free movement in particular, there’s zero chance of anything other than a clean break. This is what Donald Tusk said in March “Now, coming to the core of our future economic relationship. During my talks in London last Thursday, and in her speech last Friday, Prime Minister Theresa May confirmed that the UK will leave the Single Market, leave the customs union and leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ (European Court of Justice). Therefore, it should come as no surprise that the only remaining possible model is a free trade agreement. I hope that it will be ambitious and advanced – and we will do our best, as we did with other partners, such as Canada recently – but anyway it will only be a trade agreement. I propose that we aim for a trade agreement covering all sectors and with zero tariffs on goods. Like other free trade agreements, it should address services.” Why the **** May didn’t just take this and then spend the remaining time working out a solution to the NI border I’ll never know. Probably because she doesn’t want us to leave in the first place. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Barnier has ripped into May’s turd plan today, calling it “unfair” and possibly illegal. Interesting that he’s taking that approach to this. I really thought he’d be more accommodating publicly, moving the negotiations on, luring her in thinking a deals imminent before demanding other concessions when it’s too late to back out. His approach today is certainly going to annoy leavers that will just about stomach May’s sell out, and is certainly going to harden opposition to May. She’s given him a watered down compromise and his chucked it back in her face. Without going over the same old arguments again, I wonder what people make of this. To me there’s only 2 tactical reasons he’s done this. One is to allow May to claim she’s broken him down, and in the face of EU not wanting this “bad” deal for them, forced it through. Or two, he genuinely believes it, and the EU will stick to their principles. If that’s the case, fair play, I’m sure Leavers will say they told us so. However, from a hard Brexit point of view, the worst outcome is May being able to say “this must be a good deal for the UK because the EU hate it, and think it’s unfair on them”. One thing is for sure, if The EU do dismiss turd plan out of hand it’s a lot easier to make the argument that they don’t want a deal, and we’ve tried but they’ve been unreasonable. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I'd imagine every border between 2 liberal democracies is pretty porous. Which border is more frictionless, the one between Turkey & The Eu or the one between US & Canada. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Depends on definition of a hard border. It won’t be as frictionless as it is now, but it’s perfectly feasible to make it as frictionless as possible with as close to zero infrastructure as required , but it would take both sides to want that. Why on earth would the EU agree to it when May will bend over and take anything they want to give her. Another leader may be able to insert more influence on them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Canada style deal with hard border would be my option, but as you say DUP would never buy a U.K. internal one . I'm sure a U.K. /Eire one could be fudged, as the EU are masters of fudge, but because May is so ****ing useless they've no need to. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

-Heard it all before, I call pony. -Yep, remainer PM & remainer civil service have come up with a right turd of a plan. It is a mess, a mess of remainer May’s own making. What happens next is anybodies guess, but with Labour looking like they’re going to vote against the Government every time it can only mean stalemate. I guess no deal, extending A50 , GE, another referendum are the options if May remains in charge. If she doesn’t I guess a Leave Tory leader will try and get a deal through with the help of Labour leavers. Interesting the the Irish Times are reporting that Varadkar told his cabinet that there would be no hard border even if there was no deal. “The European Union has reassured the Government that no physical checks will be needed on the Border even if the UK crashes out of the bloc without a deal, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said.” “Juncker and my EU colleagues have on many occasions said that they wouldn’t require us to put in place a physical infrastructure and customs checks on the Border between Northern Ireland and Ireland,” he said. Interesting that the EU accept there would be no hard border with no deal, but insist on one if a Canada style deal is accepted ( which I’ve read was offered at the start of the process). Maybe a new PM could go for this, fudge the border issue to get the DUP onside, then squeeze over the line with Labour rebels help. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

We struggled to score goals because our best striker is injury prone and the other 2, Long and Gabbi were ****ing woeful in front of goal all season. One goal, no matter how important shouldn't blind people to that fact. He's been ****ing awful since getting injured at the back end of the previous season. Whether it's down to the manager, is another matter, and I guess we'll find out this season. But don't gloss over how bad he was last one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Won’t work if it’s got Sports direct tags on, and take the tags off and they won’t refund. Stores can also trace card payments nowadays as proof of purchase. They’re not stupid, they’ll know Sports direct have been selling them. If you take a tagless shirt back, claiming you paid in cash and have lost the receipt, I’d be amazed if they’ll let you swap it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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He’s played in a champions league final & a World Cup final this season. What have you done over the same period, commented on a forum. Saddo Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Just got 2 of my sons one each and was actually going to get one for myself at that price. Unfortunately too many fat barstewards got ahead of me and they’re sold out. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

If you take penalties as a drawn game ( as I believe FIFA do), Southgate , who the press are fawning over , has now lost as many competitive games in one tournament as Sven did over 3 including qualifying games. Puts this campaign into a bit of context Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

**** me, how much did the soap dodgers pay for this balloon? Somebody saw them coming, a canny capitalist no doubt. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

O’Neil answers Verbals pony https://medium.com/@burntoakboy/which-of-these-is-a-right-wing-position-4118046d7765 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk