Lord Duckhunter

The Government have never ever taken GDP and divided by the number of households to produce a family income . If they did today's average family income would be 67k. Even if the government did suddenly start using this measure and then predict the 2030 figure , you would surely divide the number of households in 2030 with the predicted GDP. But no, George's dodgy dossier divides the predicted GDP with the number of households in 2016,to reach this bullshine figure,despite the GDP being based on massive rises in immigration. GDP may increase at a faster level in, but it is perfectly reasonable to argue that the EU favours the rich & big business at the expense of the ordinary working man . The Governor of the bank of England accepted that mass low skilled immigration suppressed wages . The chairman of BSE says wages will go up if we left , although he says that's not a good thing . Labour fought the last election on the basis that any growth in the economy assisted the rich but did not trickle down to the poor. It's perfectly reasonable to look at the EU in the same terms. Just taking GDP and dividing it ,is no way to measure inequality or the finances of the average man, and that's the reason it's never used .

Ken's is an anti-Semite ,always has been , but must feel more confident to express it in Corbyns party. Parts of the left have always had these views. He was a car crash on Daily Politics . Tellingly Mann is now facing sanction from the party for his behaviour towards Livingstone. Bonkers

Spot on . It could have happened to any supporters of about 30 clubs that day . All this ****ing pony about always being victims , they were ****ing victims and the establishment covered it up . A shameful episode in this countries history. People should have some respect , the people of Liverpool never gave up and maybe now they have justice they can have a degree of closure

I'd vote to remain if that meant German or French health provision , our health services is based on a 1950's model . That's the funny thing . We're accused of being backward Little Englanders , but it's the " progressives" who want 1950's state controlled health care . There's a reason other country's don't follow our model .

Why are people on here commenting when they really don't understand or want to understand the facts. The Tory establishment has always been pro EU/EEC/Common market , it suits big business & the rich. They took us in, pushed expansion, took us into the ERM, signed masstrict and the single European act. Had they been in power it's inconceivable they wouldn't have signed the Lisbon Treaty. The Tory establishment have rail roaded the membership and significant figures have lied to them to reach the top, never realising that the day of reckoning will come and they will have to show their true colours. To paint the Leave supporters as right wing golf club bores is lazy and incorrect . The Tories who were lied to and conned in '75 are clearly getting older ,but the baton will pass to the next generation of anti EU voters,these will be labours natural supporters, the poor, the unskilled white working man. It is clearly not a left or right issue. It's just a shame that Corbyn abandoned his principles and put his career ahead of his beliefs . Cameron pretended to be a euro sceptic for party management reasons and Corbyn is pretending otherwise for exactly the same reason . Both men are diminished by these grubby acts.

Has Theresa May joined the Brexit side?

Forget next week . Everton at home to win the league , with Vardy back from a 2 game ban ( if that's what he gets) & people say it's not over? I'd take that any day of the week . Even if Spurs manage to somehow get themselves off the floor and beat Chelsea it won't make a blind bit of difference . Can anyone see Everton stopping them ? Personally I think they'll get a 0-0 at OT and Chelsea will win it for them , but it's over . They've lost 3 games all season , they're not going to blow it. They haven't been put under enough pressure to bottle it . Spurs drawing at Liverpool and again tonight released the pressure when they could have got nervous .

But according to Lord Rose chairman of the remain camp, increasing wages is not a good thing. As Tony Benn used to say The EU is the bosses club , it's why big business & banks want to remain .

We don't agree on political opinion , but you're reading of politics is spot on. The next pm will be a leaver , that's obvious to everyone with half a brain . If not Biris, who?

Lol , that's speaking as a neutral is it ? It doesn't matter a jot what you think . Tory members will elect the next pm & if you think he's " killed his chances " you really are clueless

Leaders always have to have a " close " relationship with other leaders . The Kennedys were profoundly anti British. However the point I'm making was that saying the Kennedys were Irish and that affected their view of the U.K. seems acceptable , but substituting Ireland for Kenya isn't .

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The Kennedys were anti British because of their Irish background . What's the difference ?

Lol , I'm beginning to wonder whether you really understand what's going on. You make the Leave point exactly, but believe you're making a remain case.

In response to a remain clown stating that Turkey will never join , I pointed out that had somebody claimed in 1975 that Poland would join ( and therefore gain free movement for Poles) , they would have been laughed out of court . But that is exactly what happened , proving that any claims that Turkey will never join are just hot air , and that the remain people have absolutely no idea what the EU will look like in future years . Its really not that hard to understand , although you do seem to be struggling.

Are those the fiscal requirements that Greece & Italy met?

Nonsense , he bored everyone to death , waffling on about a load of pony . Loved it when he said " do you want to gamble the future " and a loads of them shouted yes . Someone at the bbc is going to be hauled over the carpet tomorrow , how did they end up with some many leavers . The number of times he made some grandstanding point , sat back waiting for the applause , only to be greeted with silance . Anyway people can watch it in catch up and judge for themselves . Hopefully the Remain side are if he same opinion as you , think he did well and put him on the media more . He really is a crushing bore , terribly condescending and easy to portray as an establishment lackey My faith in the British people doing the right thing was waning , but the Exeter audiance have me a little bit more hope . Plus seeing remain use Pantsdown , cheered me up . I loved election night when the know all , got it wrong ( although he wouldn't eat his hat ). The thought of him Boy George , Cleggy , Chuka bottler and the rest of them crying in their champagne will be s joy to behold

Lol Pantsdown getting monstered by the audience on QT tonight . Let's see more of him, he's a great assest for leave

You really are a plank . The point being made was how much the Common Market changed in 40 years. It was unthinkable that Poland would ever join , so it's perfectly reasonable to say Turkey is likely to , particularly when EU leaders are pushing it .

Those Turks , they must be real dumb mother****ers . Fancy falling for Cameron & the EU's deal , when everybody can see its "politics" . The talks regarding "re-energising " their membership set for early July will be a bundle of laughs for them , or are the EU going to go on pretending they're talking about their membership , but not really meaning it ( dumb ass Turks will fall for that one ) . Incidentally , interesting start date for the " re-energising " talks isn't it? Once you mugs have voted remain , the "re-energising " talks can start at pace .

What complete and utter rubbish . The left has had a long and principled opposition to the EU, and still does have . To try and claim they're are exploiting it for some sort of grubby reason shows ignorance beyond belief.

Cameron said he'd fight for turkeys membership and said the EU was stronger with turkey in both & 2010 & 2015 Every EU member has signed a deal stating that turkeys mermbership will be “re-energised" , they will also get Visa free access to most of The EU. In 1975 you would be laughed at if you claimed Romania & Poland would be joining in future.

I did enjoy it . Funny how the rest of Hoeys answer was left off your clip , and the monstering Neil gave the Remainain over Georges dodgy dossier . Perhaps you should watch the whole programme . Anyway Hoey is one person , the treasury document is supposed to be a serious analysis . Perhaps you'll also answer why a model of household income never used before was used ( as I said it would equate to over 60k per household now) and how any economic model can have credibility when they've taken a growth forecast for 2030, immigration forecasts for 2030 (185k year on year) but kept the number of households at 2016 levels . **** me , there's going to be some crowded houses if we stay in . If remain had such a good case why use dodgy statistics

This Treasury report is laughable . Andrew Neil took it apart on Daily Politics today . They guess GDP over a decade ahead , despite the fact that they couldn't predict GDP 2 years ahead 2 years ago. They have never measured household income by the dividing GDP before , if they did that now the average household income would be over 60k, a laughable figure. Even if you accept that ludicrous equation you would have thought they'd take 2030's GDP and divide it by the estimated number of households, but no , despite estimating the number of households ( and accepting immigration will rise by 185k per year) they have divided the 2030 GDP estimate by the number of households in 2016. It's nonsense like this that leads to distrust in Government figures , unfortunately there are not enough Andrew Neil's to pick apart this sort of propaganda.

Spurs games really depend on state of season . Chelsea will be tough as they wont want to lose a local derby . If we're still in with a shout of Europa , that'll be tough and I wouldn't want to go to Newcastle with them needing something to stay up .