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Did you miss the news from some fu ckwit on here that I'm actually a Corbynista? Still, it's a tough call. Is there anything that Trump has done over the last few days - question the existence of NATO, call the EU 'foes', snuggle up to his RT paymaster Putin - that Corbyn wouldn't have done in his dreams?

The toadys' manifesto to a tee. And all the more imbecilic after Trump's astonishing performance in Helsinki - which even some in the Republican party are calling 'disgusting' and 'disgraceful'.

a sub-human writes.

What else would you expect from the paedophile-led EDL?

Just some friendly advice. Before posting, try reading your guff out loud. It'll help you be less of a co ckwomble. Maybe.

Spooky...

Ok, quick game of whack-a-twunt: Yes, you’re right. Despite everything I’ve been saying over the last three years about Corbyn and his gang of conspiracy theorists, Putin fans and Jew haters, I’m a secret Corbynista. Brilliant. Why are they ‘so-called’? This is the alt-right logic at work (logic is a strong word applied to you, but let’s roll with it). People with opposing views don’t need to be engaged because they are exhibiting bad faith. You’ll find this dismissal of all alternative views as hypocritically held common with your friends on the alt-right. You sound like a lo-fi Milo, down to the desperate neediness in insisting on the last word. It is, Lord Crap! Living Marxism self-destructed when it peddled a conspiracy theory that the ITN footage of the Srebrenica victims was fake. ITN bankrupted tehm in a libel action. Subsequently, they went full Trumpian alt-right tilt, railing against the scientific ‘conspiracy’ of global warming, ‘political correctness’ and any limitations whatever on free speech, no matter what damage it does. This kind of journey isn’t that unusual – see Mussolini for more details.

A site supposedly obsessed with free speech decries examples of free speech. It's also a site that tries hard to conceal its miserable alt-right leanings. I wonder why you like it?

Translation for the non-crapulent: 'She's just a chick.' Oddly being told by our representative for the 1950s to get out of the kitchen.

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Well spotted. Steve Analyst is on my radar but I hadn't seen that. He's an extraordinarily well-informed American business and trade analyst - one of those damned experts. And it goes to show how the truth is usually the thing that those gullible enough to believe conspiracy theories deny: complex.

F**k facts.

Something about one thing. Something about something completely different. Q. E. Jihadi D.!!

I'd guess that many remoaning traitors on here have lived quite a bit in the abroad. I certainly have. But what's that got to do with anything? Have you got an actual point, rather than trying to argue, bizarrely, that by standing on point X you know more than the rest of us? And if the UK is 'leaving' it's only route now is via a collapse of the political system (not completely unlikely) followed by a chaotic crashing out and economic chaos. Or do you have an alternative plan in mind? If not, here's a suggestion: go through all the self-serving resignation letters pouring out of the Tory party in the last few days. There'll be an alternative plan in at least one of those, right?

I really hope we don't. I'm rather fond of being a remoaner - even fonder of being a remoaning traitor. If someone could squeeze in a connection to Soros, Bilderberg or Rothschild, all the better. And for the umpteenth time, the 'jihadist' label is not an insult but a precise and objective description of a signed-up member of an economic death cult. The venerable Washington Post, which uses the analogous 'Brexit Taliban', describes the essential cult features, and they're all present and incorrect among the jihadists on here; and among their exalted leaders, those characteristics are intellectual dishonesty, incompetence, the complete absence of an actual plan, and the repeated impulse to run away when things get difficult (Farage, Banks, Gove, BoJo - twice! - Leadsom, Davis...and Rees Mogg, the ultimate cowardly charlatan, who won't touch leadership with a bargepole). https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/07/09/the-intellectual-dishonesty-of-the-brexit-taliban-is-now-in-full-view/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.92b977cc248d I do actually feel sorry for the jihadists on here. Since the beginning of this thread I've been pointing out that pinning your hopes on the Tory party to deliver Brexit is the definition of foolishness. It was never going to happen without the party, and therefore the government, falling apart. And the idea that the Tories could just walk away from any deal would wreck not just the political system but the economy too, and May is finally moving somewhere close towards recognising that. The severe warnings from business in the last few months - and Boris's jihadist wail of 'f**k business' - has brought reality sharply into focus. Brexit is dead. Only the jihadists live on to rage at anyone but themselves for its failure.

Excellent news. I'm only surprised it took so long. BoJo and Grayling next, so the rumours go, although what BoJo thinks about being DD's sloppy seconds one can only guess. Gove looks even more ridiculous now - assuming such a thing is possible. And it's all further proof that neither major party can deliver Brexit without self-imploding. Tick tock.

And with that, Jihadi John jumps the shark with a double pirouette and twist.

There's nothing remarkable about this post. It's a boilerplate Brexit fantasy which echoes (however poorly) all the Jihadist fundamental principles. Rejection of expertise, rejection of all economic and political realities, condemnation of anyone coming up with a plan - any plan - as traitors, and a desperate desire to 'return' to a Utopian, Year Zero, state of (a falsified) 1950s Britain. It's nothing more than knee-jerk vandalism - the Brexit equivalent of the nihilists in The Big Lebowski, who rock up at the dude's house just to pee on the carpet and toss a marmot into the bathtub. What is remarkable is that this level of ignorance can still find its way into the ether two whole years after the referendum vote. I know the rejection of expertise is a central jihadist article of faith, but to extend it to the rejection of all knowledge takes a really determined refusal to shut down the mind. Are there now Brexit madrasas where they teach acolytes only to recite the spoken word of brother Nigel? And in a language they don't understand?

Damn you Shylock. You've nicked my moronic stalker. On the 'f**k theme now so beloved by jihadists, it's good to see, with the Jaguar Land Rover announcement, that Boris's policy is coming to fruition.

Jaguar Land Rover: "A hard Brexit means we'll have to close UK factories and thousands of people's livelihoods will be destroyed." Brexit cultist: "Okay fine, but let's discuss semantics."

And so we come full circle within 24 hours. The supposedly undemocratic EU cabal, "debating in secret" (your phrase) were clearly going to ram this through. Or not. In actual fact, after two years of open debate in the European parliament - and two years of relentless lobbying, not least from the big internet players - the proposed changes to European copyright law were voted down yesterday. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/05/youtube-could-escape-billions-in-copyright-payouts-after-eu-vote Got any more stories from the great Brexit jihad to tell us?

I'm going to give this one go, and if it doesn't work I'll leave you to play duelling dullards with SOG. The point about consumer protection is apposite because of the context. That includes the fact that Trump appointees (Mulvaney, mostly) have been busily gutting consumer protection in the US in order to suck up to big business/donors. By contrast, the EU has been a bastion of consumer protections. An American citizen and a European citizen now have radically different levels of protection. Copyright is another area where the EU has far exceeded the US in protected intellectual property against big business. Since 2001, when the EU essentially defined authorship in terms of who created a work over and above who paid for it, actual copyright holders have been able to gain some redress from the rampant theft of the big players on the internet, like Google (Youtube). To give an example from my own experience, I now receive royalty payments through three collecting agencies which would not have happened but for the EU insisting that those who exploit my work actually pay for it. Now it may well be that in attempting to firm up copyright law (it's a deeply difficult and complex business) it may have gone too far. Just as many are complaining that GDPR has gone too far. But even those like Berners Lee, who have the moral and intellectual heft to make these arguments, understand full well why the EU is tackling this. To reiterate, to roll copyright law into an argument about consumer protection is nonsensical. If you have a distinct point to make about copyright law - and nothing you've written suggests you understand a word of it - then make it. It in no way diminishes the point about EU consumer protections being far stronger than US protections. If you doubt that, ask the people of Flint, Michigan. It doesn't diminish it because it has nothing to do with it.

So would you like to point out exactly where anything in ecuk's post suggested that the EU is confined to making decisions about consumer protection? If you want to make a point about copyright, make it. Don't confuse the issue by playing false-equivalence whataboutery.

Either you've deliberately thrown a dead cat at ecuk's post or you don't know the basic differences between consumer protection and copyright - which is a bit like comparing goats and trumpets.

It's funny how Brexit Jihadists deny so vehemently that they're ugly xenophobes, while actually being ugly xenophobes. Are you too stupid to have a debate about the EU without resorting to the some of the hoariest of anti-Irish stereotypes?