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Kaboom!

I suggest you (a) calm down, and (b) spin back through this thread where I've made the case for the comparison of Brexit Jihadists and actual ones - namely, as Shylock has reminded you, in deontological fundamentalism. To paraphrase, they have the same mindset. And I have to tell you, my southern-counties provincial chum, the comparison is made having dealt first-hand with actual Jihadists, and having seen some of the results of their handiwork. The same cult-like fixation on circular arguments infects them both. You also find it in conspiracy theorists - and actually all Jihadists I've encountered are also firm believers in the weirdest conspiracies (my least favourite being that polio vaccinators are injecting George Bush's pee into people's veins, or are injecting a concealed contraceptive aimed at reducing the Muslim population - all deadly arguments because people have died as a consequence). Now for the really bad news. Your conspiracist belief that the ERG, along with other no-deal fundos, represent some sort of stand-alone defence of the 'will of the people', and that the rest of the body politic is a corrupted force hell-bent on denying your weird take on what the referendum was about, is entirely consistent with Jihadist ideation. So have a little think.

Yet again Jihadist HQ at the ERG can't get their act together, even to carry out their own coup. This is after their hilarious failure to agree their own alternative proposals to Chequers. So they can't act upon the thing they can't express. They'd rather just strap a suicide vest on the country's economy and run for their own tax-haven shelters.

Project fear! And you seem to have a thing about talking up violence.

Christ this is some huge pile of stupid. Talking of which, the government's chief negotiator of the Brexit agreement has resigned over...the agreement.

You're both doing the same thing, which is fantasising about violence against a poster on here. Cut it the fu ck out.

It's really another way of saying that Brexiteers are deontological fundamentalists. I'm not sure this term would take on a football forum. So 'Jihadists' it is.

That would make him the author, not the instrument. Aside from that, I agree.

People forget the key instrument in this mess. There was a reason why the referendum was only 'advisory'. It was so that a super-majority wouldn't be needed in the result (say, two-thirds majority). Only after the legislation was passed for the referendum did Cameron and then May double down on treating the outcome as compulsory - but now shorn of the fairness required in a decisive vote. It's why some argue quite convincingly that this is a coup, in which national interests, including national prosperity, are trashed in favour of a clique of hedge-funders and super-rich whose interests are served by demolishing the commitments and taxes of a welfare state. That this is also Putin's desired outcome is relevant (and Farage is where the two strands meet).

Orange on the outside, yellow on the inside. This is fascinating - if you ever wondered about the deep ideological connection of Trump to Russia, and especially Putin, watch this (it also puts conspiracy fu ckwits, on here and elsewhere, to shame): https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000006210828/russia-disinformation-fake-news.html?action=click&gtype=vhs&version=vhs-heading&module=vhs&region=title-area&cview=true&t=931

That's a devastating thread, and should be read by all Jihadists so that they know what anti-British vandals they really are.

When the other Sherlock swings by to solve the Case of the Forum Murders, he ain't going to have to look far, pal. And don't rile up Lord T. He knows the Von W@nkstains can trace their roots back to the Exodus.

Agreed. He's very Rothschildish.

I have to say I admire Jihadi John's determination to hang on, limpet-like, to his inability to interpret data. He's a bit like a man falling from a tall building clinging on to a napkin because he thinks it'll come in handy as a parachute. I wonder what the outcome will be?

Leadership doesn't work in the same way in the US as here. Party leadership happens at various important levels - governorships, the House, the Senate and the Presidency. When your party doesn't have the presidency, these other localised leaderships are particularly important, and the Democrats are well-led in some areas. Pelosi is widely admired, but there are strong up-and-comers too, like Kamala Harris, and recent breakthroughs like Beto O'Rourke (even though he lost to the reptilian Cruz). If you're thinking of Bernie Sanders, remember he isn't actually a Democrat. Sadly, Corbyn is a Labour member, and by far the worst leader in the history of the party.

Odd little paranoid world you live in. Was the TV you were watching actually switched on? Sopel was if anything underplaying the consequences of the election for Trump. Evidence of its awfulness for the orange one has just arrived with his panicked firing of Sessions. Mueller and tax returns now on their way...

Wherever the Saintsweb finger is, it certainly isn't on the pulse. No one notice there was an election yesterday and Trump got pied?

It reminds me quite a lot of Nancy MacLean's thesis in Democracy in Chains, which is about a plot, originated supposedly with James McGill Buchanan, to repeal the 17th amendment. I've no doubt there are people out there who think in this malevolent way (Barclays come to mind, the bros not the bank - poor men's Kochs). It's much less clear that they have the actual power to deliver on their libertarian smash-and-grab fantasy.

Corrected that for you Mr Sprout.

As usual, you seem incapable of any real engagement in the issues raised. Are you actually a member of the Labour party, or Momentum, because you seem to have the thinnest grasp of Labour party politics and how to defend them. Your posting style is that of a bot working in a second language. So what should happen to the Blairite traitors voting against the Tories, Corbyn and McDonnell? And as a loyal cultist, surely you condemn the Blair scums' actions in voting against tax cuts for the rich. Where do you actually stand on the criminal investigation into Corbynist Jew haters? Do you approve of the party's decision not even to inform Luciana Berger of the violent Jew-hating threat made against her? And how's that investigation going into Corbyn's laying a wreath at a memorial plaque to the man who plotted the murders of the Israeli athletes in Munich? Surely Corbyn's not such a cretinous liar that he's made the appalling Daily Mail look to be on the right side of the argument. Right?

A double-hit of bad news for the cult... Firstly, these Blairite sickos voted against Corbyn and McDonnell's party line and opposed tax cuts for the wealthy: Karen Buck, Yvette Cooper, Neil Coyle, Stella Creasy, Mike Gapes Roger Godsiff, Kate Green, Maraget Hodge, Helen Jones, Liz Kendall, David Lammy, Pat McFadden, Ali McGovern, Ian Murray, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips, Lucy Powell, Emma Reynolds, Gareth Snell, Martin Whitfield. How dare these Red Tories vote against the (...checks notes...) Tories. And a select band of very special Corbynistas are now under police investigation for hate crimes - namely (of course) Jew hating. Under Corbyn, the institutionally racist party is claiming it has rigorous procedures for letting anti-Semites off, so doesn't understand what the police are fussing about.

I see that Arron Banks has been quick to defend himself by indulging in a bit of Jew-hating whataboutery. For context, this is a good snapshot of where we are a conspiracy theory that's retailed by the far-right (Breitbart) to the the far left (the Canary): https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000006187984/george-soros-conspiracies-gop.html

Your virtue is duly signalled. The largest single group of counter-protesters that day were ordinary residents of Charlottesville, who were sickened by the Ku Klux Klan rally that preceded the Unite the Right march and wanted to show their disgust. Then there were a thousand or so local religious group members, plus Black Lives Matter, civil rights activists, students and staff from the University of Virginia, local business figures, etc., etc. Why single out in such a sectarian way one of the smallest groups there? It's very odd.

He didn't 'hate' Trump. We know all too well what happens to people he 'hates'. He shoots them at point-blank range with military-grade weaponry. The murderer also seems to subscribe to the QAnon conspiracy theory, an utterly bonkers meme that has Trump at the centre of a battle to rescue children from the paedophile clutches of Democrats/Jews, etc. QAnon is ending the same way the equally repellant, and Trump-endorsed, Pizzagate conspiracy theory did: with shots fired. Only this time, people actually died. But talking of the Jew-killer's attitude towards Trump is also to miss the point. He may have disagreements with him. But Trump and the Jew-killer express their political opinions in exactly the same way: they divide the world between 'globalists' (usually a euphemism for Jews) and 'nationalists'. This is a binary propagated by Steve Bannon while he was Trump's campaign manager. And whatever the opinions of the neo-Nazis about Trump, they find friendly space under the Trump regime. For example, the administration has cut funding to zero for deradicalisation work on neo-Nazis. I doubt that this is entirely unrelated to Trump's finding 'very fine' people among the violent white-supremacists in Charlottesville. People Trump doesn't find 'very fine' now include the political donor Tom Steyer, who switched from Republican to Democrat, and who was the recipient of one of the MAGAbomber's little packages. Steyer, as of yesterday's Trump twitter rant, is a 'stumbling lunatic'. This is on top of his routine calls for his political opponents to be imprisoned - something that his adorting 'base' swoon over. Trump has so thoroughly normalised violent language that we barely notice it any more. And that is extremely dangerous - literally.

How did you forget Utuya in 2011? There's even a movie about it on release right now! Sixty-seven mostly young Norwegian Labour party members shot dead at point-blank range, and a total of 209 injured on the attack at Utuya and the explosion at the government offices of the Stoltenberg, the ruling Labour PM. And, as GM says, Jo Cox, shot and stabbed to death for not being a vile racist, in the midst of the Brexit referendum campaign.