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Devastating if true. Swindon, like Sunderland, voted Leave, so presumably they knew they were torching employment at the largest company in town. Not a surprise, though. We in Project Fear have been talking about Honda's likely withdrawal from the UK for a while.

Christ, so much wrong in so short a post. 1. The government's 'word' includes the words we probably can't stop her from returning. 2. It's baffling why you think our problem should be dumped on the Syrians, who've been put through enough by these idiots decamping to their country and violating it so profoundly. 3. She was 15 when she went out - a child - and was brought up by a distinctly Jihadist-leaning family. So I suspect it's naive to think that she knew what she was doing in any rounded sense. 4. The 'Yanks' have kicked no one's ass - IS have been routed on the ground by Kurdish and Syrian Democratic Forces after indiscriminate aerial bombardments by the Russians. The US has been a very minor player in actual fighting. 5. The Peshmerga is an Iraqi Kurdish fighting force, not Syrian. So they have precisely no plans for her, as they're in an entirely different country. 6. The Kurdish/SDF forces want rid of their foreign prisoners. So yes, they have plans - just not the ones you think.

On the day that a British airline collapses because of Brexit, this from Nick Cohen is magnificent. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/16/brexit-extremism-is-going-nowhere-now-the-moderate-millions-must-act

Translation for the benefit of inhabitants of planet Earth. Behold, The Great Missiledini the Bollo ckstalker has seen the future as clearly as someone wearing sunglasses in a windowless room.

You're correct up to the conjunction. From then on you've lost me. Not that it matters. The delicate flower has everyone on here but himself on ignore. Or so he says. This seems like a thing now among the cult (and terminally incoherent fellow-travellers): not only to put people on ignore, but to tell them, as if it's going to really put a kink in their day. It's all so freakishly weird. So leaving the anti-Nostradamus aside, this is a really succinct take on the biggest political problem in reaching a settled state for Brexit from Stephen Bush (trigger warning to Jihadists: Bush is not white, so his views will be discounted) The major problem with any resolution to the Brexit crisis: there is a parliamentary majority consisting of the bulk of the Conservative Party, the DUP and 10 to 30 Labour MPs, but it can only cohere around a set of demands that cannot be achieved via negotiation with the European Union. Quite..

So you post information that you yourself admit is probably bullsh it as 'balance'? Aside from the fact that the whole Ford/Turkey thing has been addressed in detail earlier in this thread, it is not 'balance' to imply that the views of all these manufacturers can safely be set aside because they are supposedly in pursuit of nebulous ulterior motives (at last according to someone 20-30 years ago). All these companies are linked by the huge damage that would be caused by a tariff-strewn, paperwork-buried rupture in the supply chain. And no amount of supposedly mitigating crap - like the Jihadist claim that the UK will simply and unilaterally drop its tariff barriers - will solve it. So you're at risk of being the target audience for Jihadists like Rees-Mogg and Baker, who want people to believe that what they say is actually true - that you can safely ignore the warnings from all these manufacturers and just act as if nothing really is happening. And it's not just about companies taking fright that will cause them to leave. It's about other countries seizing the opportunity to grab companies from under our noses - something which Holland, France, Germany and Ireland are already well into doing. Then there are the really big players and the effects they'll have on UK-based companies. If we ever get across the table with the US to negotiate a trade deal, one of the principal figures in that will be Wilbur Ross. Here, in chillingly brutal language, is the large-scale 'theft' he plans from the Brexit-enfeebled British economy: https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/27/brexit-is-a-god-given-opportunity-to-steal-trade-from-uk-wilbur-ross.html

So after dire warnings from Airbus, Nissan, Honda, Jaguar Land Rover and, this week, Ford - and actions by all of them to prepare for abandoning some or all British production - we've had a procession of Brexit dumbasses telling us how they know better, and that the experts who actually run these companies don't know what they're talking about. This is all deeply reminiscent of the last time exert opinion was trashed in the reckless pursuit of cretinous political objectives. I remember how, in the lead-up to the 'coalition' invasion of Iraq, UN weapons inspectors and other military and logistics experts, who found no evidence of chemical weapons, were trashed by know-it-better politicians and their 'dossiers' which proved otherwise. We all know how that turned out. I suppose the sad symmetry is that while the dodgy dossier trumped the experts and ruined another country, the Brexit Jihadist rejection of experts this time will ruin ours.

And so, once again, every plausible-sounding argument against the idea that Brexiters are stupid is trashed.

So you were either blatantly lying or are blindingly stupid.

Excuse me Moses, but I think Jeffrey was being sarky - at least I hope for your sake he was, given the state of this. On to more pressing matters, this is an excellent piece on how other countries in the EU will asset-strip key bits of the British economy. The astonishing collapse that's already happened since June 2016, in inward investment and manufacturing investment in general in the UK, is just the canary in the coal mine. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/07/no-deal-brexit-medieval-siege-eu-britain-industries?CMP=share_btn_tw

The EU's priority 'over and above the EU' is to ignore trolling.

Yes, here you go: We remain.

So let's sort out your comprehension problem. The sort of low-level, unthinking racism exhibited on this thread is like dogsh it. And like dogsh it, you want to avoid it if possible. So knowing where it is is important. Especially if it's Turkish dogsh it, which wants to be dogsh it without being called dogsh it. You're welcome.

As I say, thanks for piping up. Good to know where you are.

Okay let's correct the blatant falsehoods and omissions in this. While you have since patronised Jews with the verdict that you 'like' them, you have posted and doubled down on the the classic Jew-hating claim that 'A Jew' (Rothschild) is responsible for a New World Order that, in your conspiratorially diseased mind, has some kind of overarching control of the planet. So again: do you withdraw your endorsement of the anti-Semitic fantasy of a Jewish NWO? Without a withdrawal, your claim to 'like' Jews is a self-parodic nonsense. You did not say that you 'were not a great admirer' of Arabs. You said you "disliked' them. You have been challenged since to say which Arabs you 'dislike', because they are an immensely varied group of people - to such an extent that disliking 'the Arabs' has meaning only in the straightforwardly racist dismissal and denigration of them. So again: WHICH Arabs do you 'dislike'? I can give you the list again if you've forgotten or (more likely) are completely clueless. You have since widened your groups to dislike by taking umbrage at the sheer gall of a brown man to talk about white men's business - ie Brexit. You blew a gasket by making spectacularly ignorant claims about the Indian independence, not realising that the catastrophic 'just get on with it' timetable of partition destroyed millions of lives. What's evident in your posts is that your Jew/Arab/brown-people racism is spreading like fungal rot. Who's next?

Oh good. Another thread for closet racists to self-identify.

What 'crippling economic sanctions' are these exactly? If you mean the US oil embargo, that's been in place for all of a week - as Andrew Neil, in skewering Ken Livingston, has pointed out. Other than that there are sanctions against a tiny handful of top Venezuelan officials identified as mass looters of the country's wealth. Other than that, what? How do these sanctions against individuals account for inflation of 1.7million percent and an utterly devastated economy, in which the Maduro regime has reduced the minimum sage from $350 a month to $7 a month? And put yourself in Venezuelans' shoes for a few moments - can you imagine surviving this (courtesy of the excellent Alex Crawford)?

While it's mildly entertaining witnessing Jihadi John's meltdown (yet again), can anyone enlighten me on the point he's failing to make? He appears to be quoting a government minister, all the way back in 2016, making vague and non-credible promises long before the withdrawal agreement was reached (and breached) - and we haven't even started yet on the supposed trade agreement - about tariff access which was still years away from being worked out. All I see is a great blob of upset and rage, but no discernible argument.

Marina Hyde on message this morning: "I desperately need to get some work done today, but have decided to set up an Alternative Arrangements Working Group to look at what even is work, why I should have to do it, and whether I might retroactively change my work contract to remove the idea of work from it entirely."

Those bastions of democracy China (currently imprisoning and torturing millions of Muslim Uigurs) and Turkey (currently imprisoning and torturing real and mostly imagined opponents of Erdogan). So that MUST mean the election was totally kosher. So Venezuela's own national assembly was wrong? The Lima Group of Latin American countries was wrong? The EU and the UN were wrong (not to mention Amnesty international and Human Rights Watch)? Oh was I? And yet I found myself on the million-strong march in 2003 against the Iraq war? Your cretinous cultism leads you into this kind of nonsense. Anyone on the left who opposes your idol is by definition a Blairite red Tory. I have every problem with 'hundreds of thousands more people dying' and I would be wholly opposed to any illegal action by the US to invade Venezuela, regardless of the motive. Again, your cultism blinds you to the possibility that anyone outside the cult could possibly object to the human tragedies of war and conflict. (Unlike you, I've seen the results up close, many times, including in South America, East Timor, the Middle East and South Asia). What I do support is the right of Venezuelans to self-determination in free and fair elections. Why don't you?

So let's get this straight. You're offering up as evidence that Maduro is a legitimate political leader an election that was declared invalid by Venezuela's own national assembly, condemned by the Lima Group of Latin American countries (who particularly attacked the imprisonment and torture of Maduro's electoral opponents), the EU (which called the whole electoral process 'fraudulent') and the UN (which said that the 'minimal conditions for free and fair elections ' were not met). The only countries prepared to back the result were North Korea, Nicaragua, Russia, Cuba and some smaller Caribbean-island recipients of cheap Venezuelan oil. So THAT's the result you want to hang your hat on, on the same day that huge demonstrations in Caracas were met by riot police who put down their batons and walked away - unprepared to break the heads of people whose lives have been severely damaged by the Maduro's family's rampant kleptocracy and violence. Real man of the people aren't you.

Here's the arch-Corbynist Chris Williamson, going a rant on the propaganda arm of a hostile state. Ken Livingston did much the same with Andrew Neil the other night, and got taken to the cleaners. Neither of them seems to grasp a single relevant fact about the current crisis in Venezuela. On Kremlin Today, Williamson blabbers without interruptions (of course), but it's so patently swivel-eyed that he actually comes off as much more of a cretin than Livingston. That is some achievement. https://twitter.com/RTUKnews/status/1091669058288840705

I'm sure they did, but the lawbreaking enterprise that was Leave.EU - now under criminal investigation - said this about Nissan in 2016: "Project Fear claims Nissan would scale back UK operation could not be further from the truth!" Yet another Project Fear prediction proves correct. Yet another Leave Lie threatens the livelihoods of people.

How odd. Not at all like a kipper to attack a black man for having the sheer nerve to be a moderate.

It was the fantasy of loveable clause 4 socialists that got the Labour party saddled with the worst leader in its history. So a dinosaur that even Spielberg couldn't make realistic. Listening to Skinner is like listening to the 1930s. Peter Jackson should come in and remake him.