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Try stepping away from your cold Jihadi fury for a moment and consider my post as just a piece of political guesswork based on the fact that there's no majority in Parlaiment for ANY Brexit outcome. Are you able to do that? Where do you see a parliamentary majority? Besides, the issues of who replaces May presupposes that she'll lose the vote tonight. I don't think she will. Are you capable of responding to that as a political outcome too, rather than raging into the twilight?

Given the febrile state of Tory party office politics, I'd say Gove. Not that it'll change anything. The simple fact is that there is not a majority for ANY Brexit outcomes (no deal May deal, Norway+, no Brexit) within the HoC, and whoever the new leader is won't alter that equation. A remoan victory in a people's vote the only possible way out, because a leave vote will simple condemn the country to another A50 cycle and we all play political Groundhog Day again.

Oh look, another Jihadi finding things to do with piano wire. https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1072495799265824768 What is it with 'winners' like JJ and al-Tenderi - and this idiot - that leads them to such violent, vengeful imagery?

Got any evidence for your little conspiracy theories? The reality is that the ECJ ruling, in the face of opposition from the Commission, was a decision in favour of UK sovereignty. I thought you were in favour of that! Also, I'm intrigued to know how democracy is denied by voting. But if you want a real sense of who is contributing to the un-democracy of Brexit, take note of the Brexit-financing and backing hedge funds who are shorting post-Brexit Britain and are set to make vast fortunes from unemployment and economic damage. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/10/hedge-funds-make-big-bets-against-post-brexit-uk-economy

Remoaners get your voting skates on. The ECJ has ruled that Britain can withdraw the Article 50 notice unilaterally. Which makes a vote on any 'deal' vs remain even more likely.

Genuine question - is your tele on the blink?

Oh, you're right! Just like I misunderstood your anti-Semitic post, which you then defended with the ludicrous 'A Jew' comment. It was all because I don't get punctuation. Or your fantasising about Shylock (and do PLEASE read some Shakespeare, FFS) getting his 'face rearranged'. I missed the comma. Or Jihadi John threatening to string up people with piano wire. An undetected umlaut changed the meaning of that entirely. Then there are your more recent racist inanities: how you like 'the Jews' but dislike 'the Arabs'. A Jew is an evil, hook-nosed globalist string-puller; THE Jews are some of your best friends, despite appearances. Whereas THE Arabs (who the hell are you referring to here?) are all beyond the pale. A more transparently ignorant 'nativist' I've yet to encounter on here - full stop.

At some stage before it's too late for you, you're going to have to let go of the fantasies that drive your waking life. One of them is that the EU is falling apart. It isn't. The WTO is, because the US - one of the three most powerful trading powers in the WTO, along with the EU and China - is dismantling the international court by refusing to nominate replacement judges as existing ones leave or retire. The court is now one judge away from not being able to operate. Once that happens, the international trading system goes into crisis, and anyone outside a trading bloc is going to feel one hell of a draft, because there'll be no authority to adjudicate disputes. Once that happens, Trump is hovering - he wants to destroy the WTO asap. This is all beside the point though, because parliament is not going to give you what you want - your Jihadi dream of destroying the economy in order to rid it of immigrants is off the table. Never mind, eh?

I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but the EU is a dominant force in the WTO that you so treasure. (It'd also a WTO that's falling apart - did you know that?). And as you seem in your usual ignorance to be suggesting that the UK can walk away cost-free from its existing treaty obligations, it might be worth contemplating the sanctions that the EU, as a WTO member, can seek to apply to recoup the expenditure that the UK, as an EU member, signed up to.

Said John F Kennedy, talking about the Soviet empire. Passing off presidential speechwriting as your own work shows how awfully desperate you are to impress us. And it fails every time JJ. Best go back to imagining people who disagree with you strung up with piano wire.

So you over-agreed with the liars, then. But not even the most zealous of Brexiters in parliament say that things will be better. Now the line is that things will be worse but that's what we wanted all along. For you, presumably it's all sunlit uplands and 72 virgins. And 'sovereignty', which you have no inkling about, is just a cover for your 'nativism'. No wonder you endorse anti-Semites and refuse to back down. On other matters, I take it you also endorse JJ's idea about stringing people up with piano wire, since you won't say a single word about it.

It's a mark of how far you've fallen since 2016 - from a pointless but harmless pensioner to a zealot so determined to defend someone on your own side that you skate over his language straight out of the playbook of a political psychopath - that you attack people who complain about the violence of Brexiter language. Similarly, your repeated doubling down on the anti-Semitic post you endorsed, and your bizarre contention that you don't fantasise about another poster on here getting his head beaten to a pulp, while writing again that you do fantasise about exactly that, is evidence of a breathtaking dogma. The only thing that makes you worthy of comment at all is that your rhetorical violence is all too common among 'nativist' Brexiters. And this age thing? It doesn't matter how many times you repeat the question, I'm not going on a date with you. Farshteyn?

You should give up the evidence-free conspiracy theories. It'll only leave you a short hop from the full-blown anti-Semitism and violent fantasies of Tender (plus the now utterly hollow denials). The reason we've now walked into a zombie Brexit is because the Leave campaign sold a contradictory pack of lies - and the biggest lie of all was that the UK could have all the benefits of EU membership without the costs. Allied with an appeal to naked race hatred - which was unleashed onto the streets after the 2016 vote - it is that which has torn this country apart, not the so-called 'treachery' of remainers. Talking of which... Unless you're totally full of s h i t, which I strongly suspect you are, you're advertising your intent to commit serious criminal offences. On top of your deeply sick-minded comment about stringing people up with piano wire, I suggest you search out appropriate treatment before you cause harm to yourself or others.

The problem is that you and Jihadi John have become yardsticks of Brexiter fanaticism. I remember you, before the referendum, as a harmless, indeed somewhat pointless, pensioner. Since then, you've reposted the ravings of an anti-Semite, and when challenged about it, refused to back down. You are therefore presumably happy to be thought of as a Jew hater. You've also fantasised about Shylock (your term - now a term of anti-Jewish abuse) having his 'face rearranged'. And it was JJ himself who outdid himself in his fanaticism with the line about stringing 'traitors' up 'with piano wire' - a famous Gestapo habit. So I repeat: the foul imagery used by you and Jihadi John are indicative of how far Brexiters gone beyond the pale. Even their slogans have morphed into something deeply sinister. 'Taking back control' - which already had the air of something rising out of the American Deep South - has become, in street terms, 'Go back home' and 'you don't belong here' - phrases slung at anyone looking or sounding remotely foreign. All during a frightening upsurge in racist behaviour since June 2016 - of which you are very firmly a part.

'Traitor'. Spoken like a true Jihadist. Is this someone else you want strung up with piano wire? Perhaps you can beat his face to a pulp too, just as al-Tenderi fantasises. Honestly the sheer violence and rage trolling around in the minds of you Brexit Beatles is astounding.

Not this again, JJ. How many times have you predicted the demise of Deutsche Bank? And the Euro? And Italy? Ad nauseum. You're a kind of one-man anti-hedge fund - a reliable barometer only so long as everyone thinks the exact opposite of what you predict.

What he and the Nolan Sister are ultimately denying is that less trade and more friction, as in new tariffs and non-tariff barriers, will result in a smaller economy. Which is of course idiotic. And as a smaller economy means fewer jobs, I think they should tell us what the threshold is. How many people's livelihoods is it acceptable to see destroyed in order to get what they want. 1,000? 10,000?, a million? It's a rational question - to think otherwise is to think that actions are devoid of moral and real consequences.

Careful, Al, the conspiracist mindset is seeping through all of this. You've just made all of this up for the exotic spism that's just blown up in your head. Unless you actually have any evidence that Carney, May, et al, are really plotting to get (plural) you.

So the Bank of England is predicting a worse crash than 2008 in the event of no deal. As this will be routinely dismissed as the views from a past-it Age of Experts, it seems we should formally usher in the Age of the Idiots. So a question to the Jihadists on here. How many people's jobs are you prepared to detonate before the costs of Brexit are too high?

Three questions: 1. How exactly has the single market changed at all since Thatcher helped introduce it? 2. Am I more puerile than Shylock? Please say yes! But I take your point and should credit you properly as the Caliph of Bassett Green. Better? 3. Would you like a Corbyn as a new recruit? He'd fit right in as he seems to be planning a night of broken glass on Brexit day. https://twitter.com/Piers_Corbyn/status/1066561373440802816

Absolutely, al-Tenderi. Thatcher helped create the single market, one of her, and the EU's, greatest achievements. You'll be defending the SM with your last breath against the moronic May, right?

Haven't you missed some names, Lord Crap? Where's Fox, Raab, Davis, Johnson, Braverman, Baker, Gove, Leadsom, etc - all of them brexiters, all (or were until their cowardice forced them out) cabinet members. Why don't they count as 'dripping wet'? Of the names you mention, only May has had close contact with actual negotiations, which were otherwise entirely led politically by people who were bullsh*t-on-a-bus brexiters.

So who’s fu cked up Brexit – Brexiteers or Remainers? You decide. “There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside.” David Davis, October 2016 “Getting out of the EU can be easy and quick – the UK holds most of the cards.” John Redwood, July 2016 “The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the EU should be the easiest in human history.” Liam Fox, July 2017 “We’re not really interested in a transition deal, but we’ll consider one to be kind to the EU.” David Davis, November 2016 “I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded by March 2019.” David Davis, January 2017 Indeed, a trade deal would take significantly less than two years. We hold all the cards. We will offer them a deal in response to their pleas for help.” Patrick Minford, June 2016 “I am not worried about transitional arrangements. I am prepared to take the economic hit to secure the economic benefits of not being inside the Single Market and being outside the Customs Union. I simply want a quickie divorce.” Michael Gove, November 2016 “We are going to get a deal which is of huge value and possibly greater value.” Boris Johnson, November 2016 “Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but will be fully negotiated.” David Davis, July 2016. “Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea.” Gerard Batten, February 2017 “Within minutes of a vote for Brexit, CEOs would be knocking down Chancellor Merkel’s door demanding access to the British market.” David Davis, February 2016 The cost of getting out would be virtually nil and the cost of staying in would be very high.” Boris Johnson, March 2016 “I think we could very easily get a better trade deal than we have at the moment.” Douglas Carswell, June 2016 “All David Davis needs to say is: listen guys free trade or WTO?” Tim Martin, January 2017 “It will be easy to negotiate a trade deal. It’s in the EU’s interests.” Paul Nutall, January 2017 And the final piece de resistance: “If we need to leave with no deal and negotiate a free trade agreement during the transition period, so be it.” David Davis, last week. That would be during the transition period that would no longer exist because there would be no deal. Decided who the real screw ups are yet?

That's a rabbit hole no one should be forced to dive into. However, there's a neat theory in psychology called nominative determinism, which posits basically that people gravitate towards careers that resemble their names. In which case we can deduce that al-Tenderi smashes dead meat for a living and Lord Crap digs out self-same content from sewers. Both good and worthwhile life choices, I'm sure.

So this suggests two options. You're either deeply committed to animal rights and are a vegan of some years' standing... ...or you're an Islamophobic scumbag. Which to choose, which to choose...? Nope, can't decide. Poll please mods.