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http://www.teamtalk.com/premier-league/8993833/Southampton-2-Fulham-0-tactical-analysis Hopefully this hasn't already been posted for once! Enjoy all!

So everyone is ready for a bit of the old saints and the "turn up to win" syndrome against stoke... I'm sure its coming, I'm just hiding behind a pillow until after its arrived. Best saints performance for a while yesterday and Adam is looking class... Please don't let him get injured, would love to see him make Brazil! COYR and thank you NC and ML

I don't think we should assume gaston is on his way just yet... Poch has had him on extra training sessions for a while so is obviously trying to get something out of him.. lets see what happens. I do think that if we recieve a bid that is equal to what we paid for him we should seriously consider it however. It will be interesting. We need a powerful No. 10 however, someone with an engine like rooney.. otherwise they won't fir MP's game plan and will just be another gaston all over again. Should be interesting to see how things develop between now and January at either rate. I'll apoligise now before Gemmel comes and tells me off for talking utter drivel again.

At no point did i state that the club are maximising revenue by taking loans. And the quotes from the club and KL after the "showdown talks" in the summer support my views, and the views of other fans... Now stop bed wetting and attacking me for believing the club aren't about to financialy self destruct... I assume that is what you meant when you called my comment of "my 2 sense is that their is very little to indicate financial trouble at the club" complete drivel and you were in now way polite, as you are not above.... seriously, are you a 16year old who expects everyone to follow you word for word? Where to people get off having to moan about the club and predicting doom and gloom all the time.. We are on a high, it won't last forever so enjoy it.... And if you are going to moan and panic at least pick something realistic... this club has got to be one of the safest financially...

so taking a loan may not be a way or rejigging the available balance for January, or reorganising funds. people on this thread have no idea, I repeat... no idea, what is going on with the clubs detailed finances.... you can't even reach a consensus on where the funding is from... however, if people believe that a man who has worked for and was the right hand man of ML for much of his life, has spontaneously adopted the opposite philosophy of that career in the accumulation of debt (loans we can't afford as you suggest) then I would suggest you are wrong. that is my opinion, people forget that we posted a profit at the start of last season, had a net spend of 3m under Adkins to get to the pre and have accessed 2 huge TV deals with a small and modest wage squad. on top of that, ftp prevents the family/trust from underwriting substantial losses so we have always been run with that on the horizon by people whose lifes philosophy has been to avoid accumulating debt in business. in addition, I was responding to the comments regarding parking charges indication the club is in financial trouble as merely indicating the "maximising of revenue streams" .... now I won't "slate you" in return.... but considering you know jack and "hate to slate fellow fans", you can be awfully rude when you want. also, thank you for proving my point... this thread is hysterical, grown men who know very little on the subject shouting down others with a differing opinion. my 2 sense is that their is very little to indicate financial trouble at the club, if we were in debt then Morgan, shaw etc would not still be here... and you will see far more about the clubs financial plans come January and any outgoing business (lack of) that we do. as for the family, I suspect that those talks were mostly PR for Nicola, the family etc and over further development of training ground possibly stadium also. don't see the issue with the club securing a loan to release funds earlier than otherwise.... why don't you all contemplate what it will be used for instead?

Never mind Lovren, "Whats that coming over the hill" "Its Big Vic Wanyama!!!!"

This is one hysterical thread. The club's finances are more than fine and we are still receiving funding from our benefactors... The reason the club are using all revenue streams is to maximize income (funny that), since the swizzers can only come up with so much chocolate before falling foul of FFP.

Article from the Ugly Inside - Highly biased, but enjoyable none the less :- http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/33133 I wanted to post the text directly bu it exceeds the character limit for saints web, none the less, a good read!

Incorrect actually. The match footed stated that he was onside. Only shearer mentioned it in passing that it was slightly offside. In comparison, sky's highlights were brilliant, but with stelling, Ed and Matt it is obvious that we are well liked on sky. The match of the day team don't have much time for us.

Haha classic. Match of the day comentator is saying Manchester ****ty. Brilliant.

Match of the day coverage was shocking. We had more possession, more shots and more shots on target. Match coverage said Rooney was onside only shearer stood up for us in post match BBC made it look like an all united seige. Thank god for sky's coverage. BBC are a joke.

Am I the only one who thinks we could have played better. To my mind, without Lambert we aren't able to get and keep the ball up front as per our usual long balls. This stopped us pressing united as effectively because proportion wise, the ball was in the midfield more than expected. They also caused us real problems with diagonal through balls to the flanks, I think we knew this was a danger but their goal (hints of offside) came from the 3rd such through ball in the space of 5min. Without Lambert first half we struggled to engage the press. It was very telling that after he came on he was bringing the ball down and allowing us to have Kore possession in the united 3rd and then press them from these regions directly. 1st half was acceptable and good character to keep it at 1-0... Second half was better, but still, I think we could certainly improve on that performance. Either way, a sound point we would all have taken at the 70min mark at the very least. And 4 points from united and pool away is not bad by any stretch of the imagination. Nice play by lallana but Morgan was also class today. Wanyama still cant pass!

Agreed, that was the first thing I thought. Pretty sure that when Nigel Adkins tells you he would rather be saints manager than have his current job, and that he things reading are a smaller club, that he does it in confidence.... not for you to then publish it on an internet forum that journalists use as a source... Considering what NA did for this club, I think St Louis is a bit of a Tuesday... the sad truth is that Nigel would never have shared that information if the tables were turned and deserves better aqauntainces that Louis.

Interesting articles floating around today... interesting that NC treated adklins like he did on the back of being criticized for not having pardews replacement lined up before hand: http://beta.wharfevalleytoday.co.uk/17822/Cortese-defends-Saints-changes.7063904.jp ironic that he was then slammed for the way he treated Adkins Also, he views MoPo as just a department head and talks down his contribution to the cause a little: http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/football-managers-importance-played-down-2359113 Anyway, thought it may be of interest so enjoy all...

Well done jay. Congrats for the boy!

If shaw does go (big if) we will be laughing all the way to the bank... Which is why he won't eve go to tottenham becuase levy won't let the Don screw him over... If NC sells Shaw, the deal won't just be good for saints, it will be superb... Personally can't see it. He is on a 5 year contract, it would take stupid money. Therefore won't happen unless we'd be mad not to take it!

Arsenal or Tottenham will win the league. With Chelsea/city in 3rd. The mancs are going to take a tumble this season, and frankly, if they keep playing as they are, we will beat them at old trafford... i sense a mini crisis on the horizon for them, or at least the potential for one. People seem to think that liverpool should have beaten us.... yet they have not noticed what MoPo's tactics do to these sides.... We are all fond of saying that "the big boys can't all have a bad day against us".... well they don't.... yes players make a difference, but tactics and team spirit make a massive difference (if they didnt, england would have won a world cup since 1996... W have a very solid first 11... and on our day, we will beat all the top teams (bar maybe tottenham who I can't see us scoring against if they defend.) Liverpool had a handful of chances, and lost that game because of their defensive players failure to use the ball... you can have the best attacking players in the world, but if messi is reduced to feeding of Long balls he is largely neutered... Think of the teams we have outplayed under mopo.... all of them bar the first half of united away.... we have had more possession and more shots than the opposition in all of his games.... and that was last season, we've bought 3 top top players since then and our own players have developed since then as well. We are the only team who play this way... and the only way to counter it is fast counter attack and long balls... We should bloody crucify united the way they are currently playing with our setup.. Chelsea can counter us with hazard, torress, oscar and co on the break. Arsenal have Walcott, gnarby and ox for speed counters. Spurs will be a snore fest with 1 goal in it.... and we know we can beat city... If we keep MoPo and spend wisely in January and the summer we have the potential to be challenging for top 4 next season.... as long as we dodge the injury bracket... I also think that qualifying for the Europa league would be a disaster, not enough money and a thin squad that would have to challenge on two fronts plus the cups... I can't see us pressing like mad on a Thursday then a Sunday. Either way, of all the teams outside the established big 6... we are in the best position to break in, and I predict that man united will be scrapping with us, everton and co for a top 6 position (at which point they will have to spend.) Exciting times (I will now take cover for being a happy clapper!)

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/29/southampton-crystal-palace-match-report Nice bit of journalism about us this season, objective and fair... a good read that some of you may be interested in. Three years ago, Southampton were 17th in League One. They have risen a long way since then – two divisions and 56 places to be precise, staggering progress in such a short space of time and a journey that shows no sign of stopping. Year on year, there has been gradual improvement and now Southampton are in nosebleed territory, fifth in the Premier League. They have had to learn quickly. Indeed, at this stage last season Southampton, wide-eyed and rash defensively, were 17th after picking up three points from their first six matches, conceding 18 goals in that period. Now, along with Tottenham's, their defence is the best in the league. A favourable fixture list, last week's win at Liverpool aside, compared with their start last season has helped. Even so, with the centre-back Dejan Lovren excelling after arriving from Lyon during the summer, they have let in only two goals and kept their fourth clean sheet in the routine win over Crystal Palace. Since Mauricio Pochettino replaced Nigel Adkins in January, Southampton have conceded 21 goals in 22 league matches. But as far as the Argentinian is concerned, it is a team effort in which everyone plays their part. Few sides press as feverishly as Southampton and, rather like Spain, keeping the ball can be as much a defensive tactic as an offensive one. Watch and learn, England. "Our setup is very clear," Pochettino said. "We want to defend, keeping possession of the ball. We want to be as effective on the attack, to be as far away from our side of the pitch as possible. That's how we want to play. That's how we are playing. "We are pleased with that. We also know we are running a certain risk when we play that way because we might be giving the ball away, but it is our philosophy. We want to believe that we can play and succeed playing in that way." Under Pochettino, Southampton are a more measured side but they remain a work in progress and before Saturday they had neither scored from open play nor won at home.The tension was building before Daniel Osvaldo broke the deadlock with a fine strike from the edge of the area, his first goal for the club since his £14.6m move from Roma. "He's a player that can generate his own chances," Pochettino said. "It is a very competitive league, especially for a striker. It's completely different to playing in Spain, Italy or France. He wasn't able to do a pre-season with us so it's going to take him some time to adapt." Palace know the feeling after their fifth defeat in six matches. Two minutes after Osvaldo's goal, Rickie Lambert's free-kick sealed their fate. Perhaps it would have been different if Marouane Chamakh had not dived over Artur Boruc instead of shooting when he was through in the first half. Chamakh thought a yellow card was "severe"; no one else did. "I don't know what went through his head at the time." Ian Holloway said. "I know he wants to do well and he wants to score goals. That's one of those freak moments. I'll be able to sit down with him in the cold light of day and see what was going through his mind." Man of the match Daniel Osvaldo (Southampton)

So what really happened, because that is a very filtered version of events.... You willingly took and drank from a hipflask containing an unknown substance.... Right lol. You knew exactly what it was and that you shouldn't have been drinking it in the stand. The fact that you have blatantly lied to smudge that part of the stroy will do you know favours.... I have sympathy for the way you have been treated and when put in context against other offences and corresponding punishments yours is ludicrous... Hopefully the club will give you the benifit of the doubt. However part of me wonders if this is a falacy and didn't actually happen, that or you are lying because there are a few holes in the tale... Best of luck if the tale is exactly as portrayed.

Well said. KD has been a great servant for the club and will always do his duty when called upon. Even now i`m happy to have him as number 2. People forget that he could have gone to the pre when the **** hit the fan and yet he stayed loyal. The man is a true saint and I would almost have him at the top of this page tbh... Disrespecting him is totally unfair!

Sigh, having a scientific debate on this site is pointless..... Where is bear when u need him. Suffice to say that I'm yet to meet a scientist who supports man made global warming. Its not real and we are risking our children and our own future by investing in it.... Its easier to just univest my efforts in arguing with people like bexy of aintforever etc than to continue trying. You don't have the reading of knowledge base to grasp how clear cut bs it is... but to those of us who question the data its clear as ****ing crystal and scary that the media don't report the numerous counter arguments, and that people can't see it for themselves. If you don't know where to look for these papers and scientists then I sure as hell can't be Arsed to invest my effort in debating there merits with you. Suffice to say that scientists at CERN have infinitely more credibility than climatgate geographers who wouldn't know good science if it bit their ******** off.. You are mugs for believing what you read or hear in the mainstream media.... Just look at one of their graphs for temp correlation to co2.... Its right there in front of your face... If you can't see what's wrong with one of those graphs and what they use it to then prove then there is no hope for the world and we are doomed to cripple our economies and cover the world in wind turbines, stops eating cattle and adopt china's child control measures for no reason. Yay to the sheep.

Graph proves warming is happening... If data is reliable, I am yet to see truly reliable data put forward that supports man made global warming. The graph however shows **** all to do with man made global warming. A theory that is not widely accepted by many well regarded scientists who unfortunately have better things to do with their time than dither over the subject. They leave that for the climate, cough, scientists, cough cough. Yes I am that skeptical because any set of scientists who aggressively deny, slam and tarnish any voice who speaks out against them is akin to the church vs gallileo. They should welcome scientists to disprove their theory. They don't... They do the exact opposite. There is hardly a shred of evidence for man made global warming that can not be disproved, they were caught lying and manipulating the data red handed (which should have ended their careers) but instead they hushed it up and carried on. The simple facts are that co2 levels follow temperature change... In addition, bristol university released a recent study showing that co2 levels have remained broadly constant but that the proportion of man made co2 had gone up. I.e. natural equilibrium is occurring but that we are currently producing and increasing amount... If this holds true it totally anihlates the link between co2 emmisions and recent temp changes... At to that the striking correlation between the strength of the suns magnetic field and global temperature throughout geological history couple with the sinusoidal position of the sun in the galactic plane and as we move through star formation regions.... Oh wait, hush up that theory cos it means we can't get paid to manipulate data any longer. Do people actually believe that mankinds recent stint has caused global warming, if the opposition arguments were clearly reported, without bias, people could make a far clearer judgment. The standard of science used by the driving bodies is poor... It is not an accepted theory amongst serious interlectuals with decent scientific backgrounds and by that I mean research level physics or astrophysics etc. The biggest sole impact on our climate is the sun, solar system and galactic neighbourhood..... How can you predict long term trends and patterns if you ignore the principal driver... In addition, the scientists behind climate change had no theory for cloud formation prior to mid nineties. These control the level of energy absorbed to a degree and crucially the level that the earth re-emits... The discovery for the process of cloud formation does not, how shall I say, support man made global warming.... When it was announced it almost ruined his career and he has only in recent years recovered to have a long running experiment on the LHC. His theory however does hold, and when explored provides a far higher and crucially far simpler model for global climate trends. Yet it was snubbed by the populist media and climatologists... Even some that worked on the discovery... That is terrible science and coupled with the fact that all MMGW theories I have seen can be disproved or have holes shot in the is why I remain a skeptic.

Oh god, have you see the saints fan comment on this article on sky... snubbing stellins praise and telling everyone about how we are destined for top 3.... I find it frankly embarrassing. We should be gateful for whatever praise we get, and modest about our successes. Most importantly we need to stop dismissing other clubs who people deem to be "smaller" than us. as people were doing to bristol city pre match.... how quickly they forget that as recently as 3 years ago The Robins were above us in league standing and quality and we were the league 1 or stuggling championship team.... we knocked out a fair few bigger scalps and as we frequently show, if we don't turn up we can easily lose games. We're not so good hat we can go banging the war drum and acting like we are Barcelona... reality check needed for some fans!

In fairness I don' think that article is surprising in the least. There is a clear underclass of laborer in the middle east and they are essentially slaves in the worst cases. Maybe shining he spot light on it will improve their lot, that or it will suppress it further and make things worse.

Not one single dig at NC and good praise for Saints.... Hope this is a sign of the future!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24284247 Also, I don't think there is much showing of Lambert matching last seasons goal scoring form under Mopo sadly.