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In your opinion but not in the opinion of the law. The vast majoirty of burlaries are carried out with no harm coming to anyone other then the loss of property. As has been said earlier, most of the people would crap themselves and run away if disturbed. They aren't breaking in to kill you or you family. They are breaking in to steal. We do not have capital punishment in this country and vertainly not for burglary. Nothing gives you the right to take the law into your own hands. You can use reasonable force to defend yourself but that would not include sticking a knife into somone depedant on the circumstances. Tell me, someone lifts your wallet from your pocket in the street (ie steals from you). Do you think that gives you the right to kill them? Of course burglary is wrong but as much as you might not like it, it is not punishable by death. Personally I am happy to live in a country civilised enough to pratice laws commesurate with the crimes. What is utter utter bullsh*t is the macho stance that says you break into my home and you are dead. Utterly ridiculous. The 90% of people you talk about (have you actually asked that many people?) would not stick a knife in someone first and worry about it later otherwise the death tool would be enormous.

While we are on the subject. Kenneth Noye got away with stabbing a police officer to death who was staking out his house. His defence was he acted in self defence. So all of you guys itching to stick a knife into someone, you might actually get away with it.

Ok, for all of those who think it is okay to take the life of the person who breaks into your house - You have an 18 year old son who is out of work. He breaks into a house because he wants money for booze, drugs, whatever. The householder comes downstairs and catches him in the act. He sticks a knife in him and your son dies. You are cool with that, yes?

The mutt's nuts. Also enjoyed U2 yesterday but grown men should not wear sunglasses at night.

What a load of cock. I "dragged" my kids to see the Bootleg Beatles when they we young and they loved every minure of it. Show me where it says only adults are allowed to enjoy live music.

You didn't kill him though did you? There is a world of difference between fronting someone up (and you are right, most of these people are scared stiff of being found and will run unless cornered) and killing them.

No I don't but one man is dead and another isnt. The person who isn't could well face charges.

Charlie George was one I bet Lawrie would rather forget.

Burglers burgle. They don't, in most cases, set out to or actually rape somebody.

Yes he had choices, so did the guy who stabbed him. And that will be his problem in court.

Can't believe that we didn't use him as effectively as Stoke. D'oh.

You can argue the point all you like. The issue is still that taking a life is a more serious offence than breaking and entering. The police always advise to avoid conflict and call them. I don't think I have ever heard any one from the Criminal Justice System advise that you take a knife to an intruder.

Looks like Danns in on his way to Rangers.

Agree about Alan McLoughlin. Cost us £1m when that was a lot of cash. Was really excited about him but he was gash. Anders Svensson was a good player playd out of position. He was awesome when we turnes Spuds over. Delgado was also a decent player, you don't pick up many decent goal scoring internationals for £3m. Shame he just didn't work out for us.

Becaue I work for the the Crown Prosecution Service. Do you really think you can stick a knife into someone, take their life and get away scot free without a very, very good reason?

And if it is you what purpose does that serve? If they threaten to kill you and it is you or them that is one issue. If they are just threatening and want to take your goodies, why leave your kids fatherless?

You shouldn't go breaking into peoples houses but it is a matter of degree. It is worse to stick a knife into someone. Even the courts can't take someone's life, so how do you think you will fare in court if you take the law into your own hands? It might seem unfair but whichever way you look at it, killing someone still ranks higher than breaking and entering.

There are two sides to every story. I'd like to hear Wotte's before I made a judgement. He stuck around and helped out when things got tough so fair play to him for that.

You would have to prove that your life was in danger and that you had no option. Most burglers are after nicking stuff, not killing the householders. You would have a tough job proving self defence.

Through agents

Yep.

Very sad news.

Just off to see my three little girls for a treat that I shall be paying for. Still, it is a good investment. One day they will be choosing my rest home!

Yep, a highpoint in monumental career in which she single handily wiped any vestige of industry forn these shores so that we no longer produce anything and those with jobs work in the service industry meaning there are fewer job so even more people are on benefits. Yes, the unions were too powerful and yes they needed to be checked and ways other than striking found to deal with industrial problems. But by emasculating the unions she also emasculated the country.

I and my staff all earn well below the national average wage level. I can assure you Dune that we, and the people at our level in the criminal justice system do live in the real world. There was a time when I would have agreed with you but over the last few years the harsh wind of economic change has hit the public sector very hard. THose higher up the management rung aren't so badly off financially but the vast majority do not earn decent money and many usually stay because they have child care issues and the leave and flexi time help. It is soul destroying being told you have to work even harder yet your pay is frozen, you have precious little chance of promotion and your business managers are cutting costs/staff to the extent that you can't do your job properly. In every level of my building we are under staffed. It is because we live in the real world and because we have to pay real world prices that we are hacked off. The one thing that kept many pople going year afte year was the thought that they would have a decent pension at the end of it - now even that is being taken away. More than half of my staff volunteered for the early exit scheme. If things were so wonderful don't you think they would want to stay?