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Why did the pervert cross the road? Because he was still stuck up the chicken!

More end product??? 3 wins in 13? Sorry, I don't get it. I don't agree that he truned things round, although if he had had a season maybe he would have. As for Leceister, different set, up different circumstances. You can bet if they don't go up in 2 seasons he will be sacked. What you and many others seem to miss is what I am trying to say. My point (and yes I do use stats to back it up) is that we call someone who actually managed to get the highest win ratio of any manager we have had "rubbish" and a "car wreck" when he obvioulsy wasn't from his record. Pearson on the other hand by those same people (and Pearson had a lot of detractors on here too) barely managed to keep us up and he is a hero. If this forum had been around when McMenemy took us down and then spent 3 years getting us back up with players like Channon in the side can you imagine the grief he would have got? Redknapp spent £6m and took us down. Nicholl squandered the legacy that McMenemy left behind. Strachan bottled the Cup Final squad selection. No critisism for them. Burely had one full season in which he achievd what he set out to do and that is make the play offs. His side played attacking football and only Sunderland scored more that season (and we had the 4th best goal difference). Yes he made mistakes but he also provided the most successful season since Strachan so I'm afraid I can't subscribe to the "rubbish" tag. I also find it odd that some people hope and pray that he will fail in future jobs, all so they can come back and say I told you so I suppose. Oh well, that Brits for you. Build people up then knock them down. I wish him well for the future, unless he ends up down the road of course!

sorry, see below!!!

Well it would give his detractors on here more ammo that's for sure! Still as we know, different managers fair differently at different clubs. Can you imagine if he took the job and made them successful! Poor old Alpine would throw himself off the nearest mountain!!

Are you Alpine is disguise?

Funny that as Pearson managed for 13 whole games and he has been judged as some kind of hero for us??? Ah, I see, that 1 game mkes all the difference!!! Frankly I think anyone who can break the Celtic/Rangers monopoly/monotomy deserves some credit, as do they for taking a team like Ipswich up and into Europe. But then once we have someone to blame for our demise let's not let any facts get in the way. Still find it odd that someone who won football matches and scored lots of goals is derided more than the bloke who took us down, but that is internet chat sites for you I suppose.

Pot ketle black once again Alpine when it comes to seeking attention. You obviosuly didn't get enough as a child...anyway... Here we go again "usless for us". You still choose to ignore the point that he put more points on the board than any Saints manager and yet he was "usless". The legacy he left? Second highest scorers in the divsion and into the play offs, what a complete bastard. Nearer the play offs than relegation when he left yet you still chose to blame him (even though Pearson only managed 3 wins in 13). Still close you eyes stick your fingers in your ears and sing la la la very loudly. As long as you and your ilk have pantomine villians to blame all will be right in your world. There are plenty of people on here who can see that the bloke wasn't the worst manager of all time but unlike me, they can't be bothered to rise to your childish taunts. I'll let you get on with it now, I have a life to get on with.

We shall seen then. Personally I don't understand why there is this hatred towards someone who did a reasonable job for us, but I guess every fan base has people who just have to hate someone for whatever reason.

In the early days Trotman was seen as flawed but okay at this level. From what I have seen of this divison this year I would say the standard is very high and certainly too high for Trotman.

I wouldn't say that a number of cyber jockeys on a small website constituated a consensus amongst all Saints/football fans.

Tell me, how many managers get sacked (and in your terms are therfore "duds") each season and how many end up managing again in the Premiership or CCC? He failed with Scotland, so what? Where else has he actually "failed" (in real terms)? He did a lot better for us than a number of managers and I wish him well in his next job. Why wouldn't you? It is a shame that we can't treat people who did a reasonable job for us with a bit of respect.

Sadly this thread, or threads like them, will never be over whilst certain posters continue to peddle their vendetta against him (and others from a certain "era"). Nice balanced post by the way. It is a shame more people can't see the grey and only deal in black and white.

And Sunderland fans think Lawrie McMenemy is cr*p. And Coventry fas think that Gordon Strachan is cr*p. So what? He might not be the best manager in the world but if we are talking about SFC then he must be in the 2nd tier of managers behind McMenemy and Bates but alongside Strachan and Hoddle for his results alone. I can see how those who are still deeply embittered about Lowe and Woodward dislike him because they appointed him but if you stand back and look at the actual facts, what did he really do that was that terrible? So he spent £6m and didn't get us up. We weren't far off. Redknapp spent £6m and took us down. keane spent £8m and look where Ipswich are. God knows how much Chelsea have spent on trying to win the Champions League, how many have they won exactly? So one full season and cerainly one of the best teams in the divison. Not so bad. Many will say we "scrapped" into the play offs but we were only 1 point behind the two teams above us and beat the team above us 6-0 at there place. The next season we have problems at Board level. Jones, Bale and Baid, all now playing for Premiership clubs, are sold, and Hone makes his statement saying effectively we are no longer interested in pushing for promotion....and somehow that is Burley's fault? I am not saying nor have I ever said, that he has been our best manager (although statswise so far he IS). But to clall him "rubbish" or a "car wreck" is stupid beyond words.

Well obvioulsy the people who employ him must think something of him? I am sure Hearts fans and Ipswich fans think he was good. And it is just me that thinks that a manager who can put 1.63 points on the board over a season is not "rubbish" so I can live with that because Redknapp, JP Wotte and Pearson were unable to win that many points. But hen they weren't "rubbish" were they? There can't be many clubs who let a manager (who had £6m to spend too remember) who took us down off the hook but slate another for taking us into the play offs? I suppose it all depends on your interpretaion of "rubbish." By the way, if Burley is such an alchy how come this hasn't come to light as one of the reasons that Scotland failed? Duncan, haven't you been feeding the media your tidbits???

Okay lets examine the facts shall we rather than your petty vendetta. Car crash? Hardly at Ipwish were he took them up and then into Europe. Hardly at Hearts where he broke the stranglehold of Celtic and Rangers when he was there. In his only full season for us he finished with a league record of 21 wins and 12 draws out of 46 games or 1.63 points a game. We were the second highest scorers after Sunderland. So in your book that is a "car crash" and makes him a rubbish manager? He may not be the best manager ever but the stats prove that he was not "rubbish." Of course in your book someone who manages 3 wins in 13 is some kind of hero so I appreciate that you are never go to see how ridiculous your statements are, but then you were shown up as a complete idiot yesterday when berating Pardew fof his substitution and saying he was playing for a draw we immediately went 2-1 up! I can see where you were coming from though, why score if you are playing for a draw? I'd love to see your posts if you supported Manchester United of Chelsea. I bert you would be suicidal at the moment. All those wins and all that success? Oh my God. Train wrecks. As for cherry picking facts, I love the way you dismiss his stats as having been cherry picked. I assume we are debating whether he was a rubbish manager for SFC or not? The "cherry picked" facts show that he was he most successful in terms of points on the board and wins. If I wanted to cheery pick I suppose I could point out that he didn't hve players of the caibre of Channon, Ball and Osgood at his disposal as LM did in the old 2nd divison, or point out that although he is supposed to have guaranteed us promotion after spending £6m when a so called better manager spent £8m and is fighting relegation, but, het, lets not let facts get in the way of a good vendetta eh? I hope that you are enjoying life in the 3rd division, personally I preferred it when we were fighting for promotion under that "rubbish" manager you so despise. As for Pearson and his achievements at Leicester, lets see if he can get them into the Premieship and Europe straight away before we compare shall we? And as for the Scotland job, I find it interested as such famous Jocks as Strachan and Souness wouldn't touch the job with a barge poll right now. I wonder why that is?

I bet Davis is so pleased he stayed. Player of the year last year and lauded as a hero for sticking with us, now he is being crucified again. How many games have we lost in the last 10? How many were down to him? Sadly there are many fans here who are only happy when they have someone to slate. Pardew out LOL

Yep, to the top of the table if you do it every week!

Yeah, becaue we are as bad as Tranmere and the like. The play offs was not going to be an option after the way we started but we should easliy be midtable come the end of the season. Not that that will stop the wrist slitters wanting Pardew sacked. Funny though, Pearson did worse yet some here hold him in higher esteem...go figure.

Over the last 10 games we have been one of the best teams in this divison, but they can only see the negatives.

We are not going to win every game. Our recent form has ben very good if you take the Brighton game out of the equation, but that wont stop Alpine and his negative chums from wanting Pardew out.

You need to up the dose mate, its not working LOL

Yep time to go slit your wrists then. I can live with a draw with Norwich.

My sincere apologies, it was the Meldrew type of Victor I was going for.

LOL, once again Alpine you show that you are totally clueless. LOL again. Were all doomed, doomed I tell you. LOL

Give it a rest Victor and go and take your medication.