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Agree totally with the glass house thing. I am sure that there are many people who don't like the fact that we much our way through thousands if tones of an animal that is scared to them. When in Peru I went to our house where guinea pigs ran free on the floor and were fattened up for eating. I ate Alpaca (not a whole one) which is a very cute animal. Peruvians eat these anaimals without a second thought. My kids would be mortified to think that these cute animals end up on the dinner plate. There is something different about dolphins though. They seem to have a bond with Man. There are many recorded accounts of dolphins saving people from drowning or from shark attacks. I was fortunate enough to swim with one of these creatures in the Red Sea and it was an incredible experience. There is something very special about these animals. It is not just that they are "cute". We should now be protecting them, not killing them.

I am not happy about the whole meat industry DD but on the whole it treats animals fairly well and humans do eat meat. Perhaps we shouldn't judge what we eat on their level of intelligence (I doubt if a cannibal would care if it ate a Mensa member or not) but eating certain creatures does seem very wrong.

Blimey I can't even spell Google! Anyways, something else I just read is interetsing. Apparently dolphin meat conatins 5 x the amount of mecury than is safe. Same schools have had it taken off the menu and pregant Japanese women are told not to eat it. Ironic that man's polution of the seas could now prove to be the one thing that stops this barbric practice. Read about the film DD. We are not talking about humane farming. We are talking about the horrific butchery of these majestic creatures which goes against international law. If we treated cows, sheep, pigs etc in the same way perhaps you would have a point.

LIke DD I have just done a Goiogle search to check out the Japanese staple diet. It i 75% tofu, ****ake mushrooms, prawns, soba noodles & wakame. I am not sure what wakame is but am pretty sure it isn't whale or dolphin. No I have not been to a Japanese resteraunt in Japan nor an Indian retseraunt in India but am aware that the menus are not always the same. What we are talking about is staples and things that most people eat most of the time. If you went to a Japanese restaurant for authentic food and this was what they lived on, don't you think it would be on the menu along with tuna and sea bass?

I expect he will return someday. Spot on to CanadaSaint!

So why then did that change? Would you say whalemeat has been a staple in the nations diet in your leftime? I go to Japanese restaurants quite a lot and blow mw sideways but I have never seen whale or dolphin on the menu? (ps is blow me sidways a certain naval pratice???)

Hi Ottery me old mucker, well if NC gets the club into the Prem for a 10 year run and a Cup Final I would say that he has achieved as much

He took his ball and went home over something to do with a certain poster here I believe.

Fits in with his hissy fit with the Echo too. Still as long as he produces the goods does it really matter if he behaves like RL? No of course not, but that point will be lost by a few on here

As dear old Um Pahars used to say, you couldn't make it up. If Lowe had had that spat with the Echo and had done this to Benali the usual suspects would have been after him like a shot. Now NC gets a pat on the back and a huge well done. These sort of people are usually cut fronm the same cloth, that is how they get to where they are. Be ready for more stories like this about NC and more Lowelike behaviour, with the same hypocracy about what a wonderful bloke he is...unless we don't get promoted of course

You are missing the point DD. So you don't want to eat dolphin, so what? This is about the fact that a creature of its stature is being butchered. The Japanese are not going to suddenly start dying out as a race if dolphin is no longer on the menu it is? As someone who spends so much time underwater I would have expected you to have a little more empathy for your submariner buddies

Are reindeer and moose hunted to near extinction? Tell me, what happended to the buffalo when the white man moved to America? The Native American's used what they needed and no more. Now we have factory ship that hoover up the seas resources at a rate that is no longer sustanable. Cod used to be a very cheap food source. It is much more expensive now because of over fishing. But the point remains, there is no need to kill these animals as a food source, so why do it. Even worse if dolphins are being butchered to protect tuna stocks.

So you are cool with people eating dog then? The reason we talk about staple diet is that the peope who eat dolphin and whalemeat could just as easily not eat it and survive.

Not quite everything! Beef has been a staple diet of western civilsations for a very long time. I am sure than people in India, while not eating them themselves can see the population need feeding, and they ren't too fussed about killing and eating sheep are they? We are talking numbers though and staple diets. How many Japanese depend on a diet of dolphin and whalemeat?

Perhaps Benjii said it then, but I didn't make it up. Yes Benjii, dolphins are nice. So are lambs and piggies.

I am intelligent enough to realise that the Japanses staple diet is not whale and dolphin! What animal do we need to eat? The same animals that we have been breeding for eating for hundreds of years I guess. I guess that you a relatively intelligent person and can figure out that certain animals are breed/cultivated for food and others are not. In the later category I would place whales and dolphins. With it yet? If the whales and dolphins became extinct what would the Japanese do then? Erm, carry on eating what most of them currently eat at the moment I guess.

Even better to actually have money to spend! Thanks for the updates everyone, even at one point if it did seem like there was an echo on here!

Frannie should have been banned years ago....but for his defending!!!

Please don't liken us to Man City. I would like to think we were the Southampton of Div 1 and have a bit more integrity.

You could try by saying that you think that creatures like dolphins and whales should not be butchered without trying to drag in arguements about veal or xeonophobia perhaps? I think you would proabably find that the same people who disagree with the butcher of these animals are also not happy about the veal practices and probably don't have a problem with the Japanses per se.

Would you agree that we are all a part of the "animal kingdom." I don't think it unreasonable to say that most other species live their lives in a far more "intelligent" way than ours does. Afterall, it was only a relatively short time ago that most of our forefathers belived the world to be flat...and nowdays people like Peter Andre and Jordan are celebrities! I rest my case

No that is not the point at all. And what does this have to do with xenophobia/racism? It would be just as wrong if we or the Americans were doing it.

We are just as bad? I am not supporting the use of veal but that does come from our historical food line. There are plenty of other things in the sea that that culture could and does live on. The arguement is about killing whales and dolphins, if you want to widen it why not bring up the fact that we actually kill each other?

Social convention is developed over long period of time and for a reason. As primitives we have evolved over a period of time to the belief systems we have now. I would like to believe that most people with any sense of decency nowdays would see that butchering creatures like whales and dolphins is not just unnecessary, but is very wrong.

I suppose it all depends on the size of your blinkers and prejudices Ponty Still if you think it is okay to butcher highly intelligent and evolved creatures that is your right. Perhaps you would like to define "intelligent"?