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Oh dear Ottery, still off on another planet I see. More proof, it it were needed, that care in the community does not work!

Chivers was excellent but alas off not too long after I started supporting Saints. But no worries as Davies and Paine were awesome. Without doubt Ron Davies was the best "old fashioned" centre forward of that generation. I think he cost something like £60k from Norwich and Ted Bates signed the bargain of the decade. Paine too was excellent at his craft and one of the last old fashioned wingers. Sadly for football in the long run, Ramset won the World Cup without wingers, relying on overlapping full backs, and their day was numbered after that. Gradually more teams adpoted different formations and the days of two wide men plying their trade hugging the wings were over. Still we had Mike Channon to come and from an early age, despite being gangly and often falling over his own feet, you could tell he would go on to great things. Then Steve Williams of course. So good to see such rich home grown talent come through the ranks. As with music, I think we always remember our first exposure to it as something special and probably look back on a specific time in our lives with rose timted specs. But every time the ball was crossed from either wing you held your breath with anticipation of another great header from Ron hitting the back of the net. Top scorer in the old first divsion for three years running, would score you 30+ goals a season, what price now? A littl later of course we had the mecurial talents of MLT to drool over. For a relativelt small club we have been fortunate to have some great talent play the club. The Wallaces, Frank Worthington, David Armstrong, the European Footballer of the Year for a couple of seasons, etc etc. We have lacked their class for a large number of seasons now but we can only live in hope that we shall see such players here again some day.

It was a miracle no one was crushed to death. Someone grabbed hold of the collar of my leather coat to try and stay standing and ripped it. It was very scary.

I was right at the front. The pressure got so much that I was forced out of the crowd and found myself standing next to a WPC. The next second the wall collapsed. Very scary and thank goodness no one was badly hurt. I ended up walking off the pitch with the players only to hear my name shouted by a workmate who supports Orient on the other side of the pitch...I guess he was wondering what the hell I was doing! Happy days.

No Sunday collections, no guaranteed next day delivery even if you do stump up for a "first class" delivery, post turns up well after you have left for work, when did last see a friendly postman shut a gate as he whislted away on his round? Your lucky if some b*gger doesn't open your kids birthday cards and nick their money! The world has moved on but this union wouldn't know that. Where I work most people work long hours in difficult conditions and many of them earn £16k. We have one person join us for a year on no pay because they are desparate to get work down the line and want the experience. We have people with degrees banging on the door to become a reprograhics officer. All that will happen is that the Post Office will become privatised and the workforce will be replaced by people who will be paid less, but will take the cash and not inconvenience the customers....go for it boys and join the ranks of the miners and print workers etc. You will never win and the more you strike the more you put your own future at risk. People are getting fed up with these people who seem to think they have it harder than anyone else...

I don't agree. A lot of the people I work with knew littel about Griffin or the BNP. Now they have seen the programme they became aware very quickly of how unpleasnt this man and his policies are. He and the BNP were shown up for what they are - ignorant, dangerous racists. It may have bootsed the BNP membership by a few thousand more mindless thugs, but millions have seen him for what he is. The comment about the almost totally non violent member of the KKK was worth watching this programme for alone. Sadly some people actually buy into this stuff. Wake up, it is 2009. The world has moved on since the 30's, not that the BNP care.

How can a more credible leader make ny difference to this awful organisation and why would you hope that someone would come along and put a more respectible veneer on this bunch of Nazis???? Adolf went a bit too far....London has been ethnically cleansed...yay, lets bring back the gas ovens shall we? The sort of people that the BNP attracts are the sort of people that helped Hilter and his cronies commit genocide. Have we leant nothing from history???

LOL, you would think so wouldn't you? These people spent hours slagging him off when he was here, you would think that they would be happy he has gone and be getting on with the new era. Makes you wonder if they had a secret admiration for him and can't bear to let him go! Time to move on methinks.

Couldn't agree with you more. Strangely enough decent people do not fight in pubs or at football matches....

Then grass away. To link moronic thugs with the label "Saints Fans" conveniently waters down psychotic behaviour. These are violent thugs who just happen to also be football supporters. They deserve all they get, there is no place for them at a club like ours.

Perhaps we should all just carry on as if the clocks hadn't changed?

I think you will find that you still have to work at 7 am!

Is that like saying the vast majority of Nazis were not Fascists? Surely if you throw your hat into a certain political party's ring and give them you vote you are tacitally endorsing everything they stand for??? You might have thought that Hitler had some pretty nifty ideas about the economy but when you gave him your support you gave him a mandate for mass murder.

In our constitution we do not vote for a Prime Minister. We vote for a local person who belongs to a certain Party. Whichever party wins, their leader becomes Prime Minister. If he leaves after a short while a new leader is voted in by the Party and he becomes Prime Minister. Check it out next time you vote. Unless you are in Gordon Brown's constituency you will not be given a box with Gordon Brown's name next to it. If you want it your way the whole voting system would have to change. Or you could move to America I suppose.

Do you like hockey, shooting ducks and have red cheeks???

Adolf went a little bit too far....priceless!!! I also loved the way he described London today as being "ethnically cleansed". We need more of this guy on TV. He shows the BNP up for what they really are.

You seem to know an awful lot about its contents Alpine, your daily read I take it?

As I said you don't get it. Go back and reread your posts where you drag those 2 up at any opportunity so you can get more of your jibes in. YOur avatar is spot on, you are cartoon character who is out for vengence LOL

Fine, whatever you say Alpine, you obviously don't get it....

So we had a manger who won every other game (you know who he is) and you didn't have that feeling even when we were winning games under him??? But then you never did like him did you, so you weren't about to let the results get in the way of your personal animosity towards him.

I have eaten Alpaca, not a whole one mind. Not really vermin though I suppose.

I never got that. What did he really think he would achieve? He was on a hiding to nothing, although the alternative was not fantastic either. I did read somewhere that the bank wanted him and Cowen back to sort things out but then you wonder why they pulled the plug when they did? Perhaps Lowe didn't make the savings that he was expected to do, although it is hard to see how much esle we could have saved, the expenditure was cut to the bone as it was...perhaps it was his failure to ship out more high earners?

Then you would be one of those people Alpine as I have lost count the number of times you have fired off personal abuse at someone with a different viewpoint to you!

Well put Weston. He did some great deals for us and was not as bad as many people wish to believe. But is personality failings and relegation will mean that balanced discussions will be few and far between. I read somewhere that his opposite numbers saw him as a visionary. Maybe his vision would have worked if more money had been available, we shall never know, but with failure comes blame, such is the way of the world. I don't recall a lot of flak going his way when we were doing well (although I agree he was never liked). Hockey and his red cheeks plus the fact that he was deemed to be a "toff" marked him out as a target from day 1.

You know what, I think that I suffered more "pain" during the Branfoot era, but each to his own. At the end of the day it is only football and words like "hate" and "despise" are ridiculous in a world where rapists and murderers exists and such negative energy is directed to the Chairman of a sporting institution.