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We can bang on till the end of time about is it or isn't it down to us, but isn't it a no brainer that if we pollute the air that we breath with toxins it isn't actually very good for us?

1. They were emploed in football management before they joined us. 2. I meant to say how do you know why they walked, sorry, too much win e tonight. 3. I don't think he scoured the lower leagues of Dutch football. The fact that every time the job came up there were plenty of "names" up for working with Lowe says something. He choose those two because they were cheaper and because he wanted to bring through the youth and I guess he felt they had the credentials to do it.

My vote goes to Steve Godwin's nephew. (Regular readers will get it)

I wonder if there would have been a marriage in the first place if you had been a Liverpool supporter?

I do not doubt that the climate changes natuarly. What I am saying is if man made gasses are polluting the atmosphere that has to have an effect. No?

I am guessing that their "talents" were also spotted by the other employers who gave them jobs in football management. Also how do you know why those other managers walked? Isn't it odd, given that Lowe is the Kiss Of Death, that so many managers came to work for him??? And that WGS still dines with him?

Going back to the Golden Age of Prog Rock, the top 5 albums (in no particular order) in my book are:- Brain Salad Surgery - ELP The Yes Album - Yes Foxtrot - Genesis Close To The Edge -Yes Pictures At An Exhibition - ELP

Lloyd Cole's boxed set "Cleaning Out The Ashtrays" Knocks all of the current singer/songwriters on their backsides

How cr*p is David Beckham's haircut?

I don't think it is a question of not being affected, it is how you let that affection affect your whole life that is the issue. Back in the 70's for many it was an excuse to go and beat some poor innocent individuals to a pulp. Now it seems that it is okay to vent your spleen on members of your own club on the internet. I would suggest that if football moves you to violence to others or hatred to people you haven't even met, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

Are Strachan, Souness, Jones and others "tainted" by their association with Lowe?

I do discuss players and matches and other topics, it is just that you prefer to ignore those comments. If you don't think I am a "real fan" that is down to you. But I was there when we won the cup, I have stood in the pouring rain when Charlton hammered us 6-2 and I was crushed up against the wall when it collapsed when we got that vital point at Orient - so in my book I think I have earned the right to say my piece on here just as much as you have.

I rest my case.

But if they aren't allowed to sign him surely they have fallen foul of the sames rules everyone else has?

I am no scientists, but you only have to take a deep breath in after a bus or taxi drives past to realise that pumping tons of that stuff into the air can't be a good thing.

I know what you mean...just not used to it!!!!

Good luck to Wotte. He conducted himself with great dignity during the close season and did what he could with what he had.

A football match is a mini drama played out over 90 mins (96 if you are losing against Man Utd) and provokes (hopefully) a range of emotions akin to a rollercoaster ride. If you are still having effects several days later though then I suspect that is not healthy! Anything that becomes obsessive is not good for you. My partner doesn't get it at all. After all "it is only a silly game, what's the big deal?" A few years back I would have argued with her. Now I just think you are right. I get my weekly dose of euphoria/pain/disappointment then I get on with the reatl stuff.... life.

Whatever the actual facts are, no one can surely doubt that we are not having an affect on the planet with what we pump into the air, oceans and rivers every day.

What lies on the seabed and mutilates prostitutes? Jack the Kipper

Carry on with your playground namecalling Alpine, it just re-inforces your image as a childish knee-jerk reactionary. "Never goes" - I probbaly go to as many matches as you do and what as much on TV as you do in which case you "never go" either. Like any rational grown up I read threads and comment when I feel moved to do so. I don't watch the progress of previous employees in the hope that they will trip up and I can rush on here and slag them off. Pray tell, what exactly is my agenda do you think? You don't know do you so I will help you out. My so-called "agenda" is support the club and to hope that everyone connected with it does the best and does well. To me supporting the club does not include slagging certain people off at every available opportunity. I distinctly remember one prominent poster coming on her and tellin us all that George BUrley was deliberately going out of his way to ensure we would not get promoted. You will probbaly remember that person too Alpine! That person has an "agenda" and peddles it at every availble opportunity. I, for my sins, try and balance up that "agenda" with one that is not based on small minded pettiness and vindictiveness. Guided Missile and Jonah are people named as having an "agenda" in support of a certain past employee. Having spokne to Jonah face to face about said person I can state 100% that Jonah was no supporter of that person...yet the person here with an "agenda" of his own is so blinkered he cannot see beyond anything other than his own prejudices. I don't think that GM has ever come out and said that past employee is the best thing since sliced bread but yet again, because he is not part of the internet lynch mob he gets tarred with the "Luvvie" (what a stupid name) brush. What you and some of your like completely fail to grasp that it is quite possible to engage in a debate without having some weird thing going on about the personalities involved. You can also dispense with the silly name calling and abuse and maybe try to deal with some of the issues in an adult way rather than the usually diversionary tactics and abuse you fall back on whne you don't actually have a leg to stand on.

Is that a euphamism?

Whilst it is good to be winning football matches and having a potentially bright future again, I think it is pretty sad if the affairs of 11 blokes running around trying to put a ball in a net rule your life or affect your behaviour to any great affect. I think some people actually use SFC as some kind of therapy and transfer their issues onto players and management in some kind of attempt to deal with the frustrations in their lives. I can think of one or two regular posters who take things way too far on here and would be ripe for therapy. I will go to my grave failing to understand how some can "hate" another person for doing a job badly in their view. Do people hate the CEO of London Underground if the tubes don't run on time? There are some on here would would be glued to the Scottish team's result just so they could come on here and gloat about a poor performance by their manager. In what universe is that in any way a sane way to behave? Yes, when the team is doing well I feel better. If they have a run of bad results I feel deflated. But I don't take it to work, take it out on my cat, my partner, my liver. All you can do is hope that they put things right and turn things round, which is happening this season. Isn't it the ups and downs that make football so interesting? I would hate to support a team who won everything every year. It is the hope that keeps us coming back. But at the end of the day it is only a sport, no matter what Bill Shankley said. If it becomes anything more than that to people they need to look at the balance in their lives. A colleague of mine has just found out that her uncle has terminal cancer and doesn't have long to live. That is a "disaster" and a "tradegy" - losing some football matches does not come close.

Ah, but that works for a lot of people. Did Lowe make mistakes? Yes of course he did. Which makes him exactly the same as everyone who has ever drawn breath on this planet. Except for Alpine of course

They certainly raised the bar when it came to an interesting thread and GM still does the odd post. Those from Jonah are rarer than Benali's goals but I'd like to think that he still reads this forum from time to time. He may have ruffled a few feathers but at least he spoke some common sense. Sadly though they are pushed out by the black and white brigade who think that the answer is to find "hate" objects and to rubbish them at every available opportunity. Peter Gabriel wrote a great song about these people, "Not One Of Us." Those who feel stronger by ganging together and excluding others..bit like the BNP. By labelling people "Lowe Luvvies" if they didn't become part of the lynch mob that is exactly what they were trying to do.