unionhotel Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Whilst everyone’s feeling euphoric over our survival and the apparent availability to endless funds perhaps now is the time to stand back and take a real hard look at the way football has gone over the last few years. No other business in the world could survive (or would contemplate) running its’ finances in such a perilous state in which the key to survival rests on building up a mountain of debt. We’ve survived this time. How many clubs are there in Britain, and indeed the world, that are quite simply living beyond their means? Liverpool, Arsenal and Man.Utd are hocked up to the eyeballs. Chelsea and Man.City are rich peoples’ toys. None of them could survive without the generosity afforded by corporate greed or dubious funding from mega rich tycoons. Quite simply, footballers’ wages and outrageous transfer fees by the bigger clubs are driving up prices and taking the game away from the true fans. Sky sports money has driven the orgiastic greed displayed by some Premiership clubs who now see it as a right to charge extortionate prices for ordinary fans to support their teams. Players being paid £200,000 a week is obscene. How can these players get away with it? No-one can tell me that they’re 200 times better than a player in the 3rd division on £1000.00 a week {Still a good wage!!} so who’s allowing this to happen? Football League governing bodies? Directors of Football clubs? Banks? It doesn’t really matter. A cap has to be set and set soon before we see a meltdown of football. The cracks are beginning to show with Benitez’s statement regarding Barry this week. Perhaps each club should be limited to spending the money it generates at the gate on players’ wages, merchandising to generate company profit, TV money to be distributed proportionately amongst all the clubs to clear debts and transfer money (capped of course) to improve Stadia. Of course it’s not going to work. Hopefully it’ll start a good debate. COYR Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Food for thought. How do you see the 'meltdown' manifesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Problem being if you control it by the amount teams make on the gate etc etc then it will keep the big teams big and the small teams small. I for one do like the way the americans handle their youth players. I.e the last in the league are able to pick the first lot of under 18's etc. Not sure it would work over here but there is such a monopoly on youngsters these days and in a lot of ways i believe it stifles development. I really don't know, you have made some very good points and a very balanced post. It is a shame, we can all see the beautiful game slowly collapsing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I agree, football has become ridiculous, the problem with setting caps on wages and transfers is all the big clubs will just offer the max to everyone which would further kill of the smaller clubs. Something does need to be done though, because I can never understand how many footballers who work once a week (I don't believe training can be classed as work), can be payed more in a week than a lot of people earn in a year. Especially when you contrast their salary against that of a doctor or fireman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Unfortunately, the governing bodies have left it too late to do anything radical If they try to enforce salary caps etc, the big clubs will just breakaway and form their own governing body Sadly, the only eventuality that may lead to change, is a very large club going out of business Even then, it probably won't make too much difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Problem being if you control it by the amount teams make on the gate etc etc then it will keep the big teams big and the small teams small. I for one do like the way the americans handle their youth players. I.e the last in the league are able to pick the first lot of under 18's etc. Not sure it would work over here but there is such a monopoly on youngsters these days and in a lot of ways i believe it stifles development. I really don't know, you have made some very good points and a very balanced post. It is a shame, we can all see the beautiful game slowly collapsing. Union Hotel uses the word 'meltdown', you have chosen the phrase 'slowly collapsing'. Again, if I may ask, how do you see this 'slow collapse' actually manifesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I agree, football has become ridiculous, the problem with setting caps on wages and transfers is all the big clubs will just offer the max to everyone which would further kill of the smaller clubs. Something does need to be done though, because I can never understand how many footballers who work once a week (I don't believe training can be classed as work), can be payed more in a week than a lot of people earn in a year. Especially when you contrast their salary against that of a doctor or fireman. Problem is that is a nothing arguement, in reality yes it makes an aweful lot of sense however when you look at the facts it is obvious. Footballers in the game unfortunately are not really classed as people, they are assets that are brought in order to achieve an outcome, this outcome further produces financial awards to the company (football club). In the same way that a printing company for instance would buy the best most efficient printing press, real madrid would buy ronaldo, in order to achieve an outcome. Their wages are however obscene, but unfortunately as long as the merchandise, media, rewards still roll in then players would be paid rediculous salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Union Hotel uses the word 'meltdown', you have chosen the phrase 'slowly collapsing'. Again, if I may ask, how do you see this 'slow collapse' actually manifesting? We were lucky really, being brought out, but as you can see is starting to happen, teams are moving into more and more debt, and eventually i honestly think a large team will go out of business. Equally, the media machine is beginning to be hit hard, you only have to look at the issues with setanta to see that. Add this to dwindling supporter levels (although small). Its a slow collapse. Also, if this crappy europe elite league ever takes hold the football world as we know it is f*cked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I know it's wrong, but now we're loaded i have an "i'm alright Jack" view of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan17 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Whilst everyone’s feeling euphoric over our survival and the apparent availability to endless funds perhaps now is the time to stand back and take a real hard look at the way football has gone over the last few years. No other business in the world could survive (or would contemplate) running its’ finances in such a perilous state in which the key to survival rests on building up a mountain of debt. We’ve survived this time. How many clubs are there in Britain, and indeed the world, that are quite simply living beyond their means? Liverpool, Arsenal and Man.Utd are hocked up to the eyeballs. Chelsea and Man.City are rich peoples’ toys. None of them could survive without the generosity afforded by corporate greed or dubious funding from mega rich tycoons. Quite simply, footballers’ wages and outrageous transfer fees by the bigger clubs are driving up prices and taking the game away from the true fans. Sky sports money has driven the orgiastic greed displayed by some Premiership clubs who now see it as a right to charge extortionate prices for ordinary fans to support their teams. Players being paid £200,000 a week is obscene. How can these players get away with it? No-one can tell me that they’re 200 times better than a player in the 3rd division on £1000.00 a week {Still a good wage!!} so who’s allowing this to happen? Football League governing bodies? Directors of Football clubs? Banks? It doesn’t really matter. A cap has to be set and set soon before we see a meltdown of football. The cracks are beginning to show with Benitez’s statement regarding Barry this week. Perhaps each club should be limited to spending the money it generates at the gate on players’ wages, merchandising to generate company profit, TV money to be distributed proportionately amongst all the clubs to clear debts and transfer money (capped of course) to improve Stadia. Of course it’s not going to work. Hopefully it’ll start a good debate. COYR Discuss Very good post Union. Sadly I do get the feeling that unless football clubs have a money man behind them, they will cease to exist (as we very nearly did). We got lucky for sure but there is only a certain number of times that clubs will 'get lucky'. Football has been on a downward slope for a good few years now, and the bubble is definately going to burst soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Problem being if you control it by the amount teams make on the gate etc etc then it will keep the big teams big and the small teams small. I for one do like the way the americans handle their youth players. I.e the last in the league are able to pick the first lot of under 18's etc. Not sure it would work over here but there is such a monopoly on youngsters these days and in a lot of ways i believe it stifles development. I really don't know, you have made some very good points and a very balanced post. It is a shame, we can all see the beautiful game slowly collapsing. If we follow the American way with Youth players at the end of a season. How long would it be before that player has an agent who recognises his potential and then proceeds to go to the Court Of Human Rights and then drives a bus through our 'restriction of trade and earnings'? I fear that we are stuck with this system, no matter how unfair we may view it. I can imagine many clubs slowly going to the wall or, at best, turning semi pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 English football began to die with the advent of the Premiership and Sky's billions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I for one do like the way the americans handle their youth players. I.e the last in the league are able to pick the first lot of under 18's etc. Not sure it would work over here but there is such a monopoly on youngsters these days and in a lot of ways i believe it stifles development. . I agree the US system has many advantages but it wouldn't work here. In most sports, there's one league (of course, split regionally) and they dont have the relegation system. If you're a potential star, you care less where you initially go because you'll be playing on the highest stage week in week out. Teams are also protected from the huge dips in revenue that accompany relegation, so again most teams can afford high salaries. Boom and bust is built into our leagues but it also offers more teams more chances to be successful (see Hull and Burnley's recent promotions) - by contrast, the US system is a monopoly. Another difference is that in the US, youth development takes place at high-school and university level; here you join a club when you're a young kid - at that stage, its highly uncertain whether somebody is going to make it but it still requires big upfront investments, so clubs with deep pockets are at a distinct advantage. Fact is winner-take-all markets exist in all walks of life, not just football. Unless you support a local club, most people, especially foreign audiences, don't understand why you would want to watch even good players when the best is readily available on SKY and other media? In other words, lesser talent is a poor substitute for greater talent. The result is that even a tiny advantage over competitors can be rewarded by an avalanche of market share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 English football began to die with the advent of the Premiership and Sky's billions. I agree with this. When Shearer went to Blackburn for £3.3 mil we all thought Football had gone mad but just look at it now with Ronaldo going for £80 mil - completely crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 2 posts, both very odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 The premiership was like a feast at a table and everyone wanting a grab at it. People were enjoying the feast and wanted more and more and still they continue to want more. There will become a point when that feast will no longer be able to continue. By the sounds of our Markus, he has the foresight to see this and will be ambitious but sensible, so come the football crisis, Southampton will be ahead of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 The crunch will only come when Premiership clubs do eventually go bankrupt, which will happen as sure as tomorrow will come. Football's economics are simply not sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionhotel Posted 11 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Union Hotel uses the word 'meltdown', you have chosen the phrase 'slowly collapsing'. Again, if I may ask, how do you see this 'slow collapse' actually manifesting? The meltdown IMO would come as a result of a major club going under, the banks and underwriters would see the same thing could happen to any other large club and start calling in debts. Clubs, these days, have no tangible assets. They are houses of cards built on sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 I reckon once more clubs of a similar size to us go into admin a feedback loop will be created with more and more clubs becoming sucked into the financial void, with the big 4 still holding on, we will survive, thanks to ML's common sense and although I would rather have avoided admin I think we will now survive in the long term because of it and the sensible financial thinking it has brought us too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Ronaldo signing for £80m, picking up a wage reported to be around £250k per week, kissing the badge at his unveiling (when it was well known he was more of a Barca fan as a kid) and then saying he's probably worth more. He is the greasy, little, goofy face of football's bloated wealth and complete lack of integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Charlton Athletic are poised to be the next club to enter administration..... Charlton are poised to be the next club to fall into administration, with a takeover bid on the brink of collapse because of debts of up to £40m. A group of local businessmen who had been in talks about a £30m buy-out were alarmed to discover the extent of the League One club's liabilities. A source close to the bid said last night: 'The club are going through a slow, painful death. In strict business terms, a club with 10 fewer points, but millions of pounds less debt would be a far more attractive proposition.' http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1199063/Charlton-brink-40m-debt-set-scupper-takeover-bid.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Charlton Athletic are poised to be the next club to enter administration..... http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1199063/Charlton-brink-40m-debt-set-scupper-takeover-bid.html Was the last piece of that qoute aimed at us ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 (edited) The meltdown IMO would come as a result of a major club going under, the banks and underwriters would see the same thing could happen to any other large club and start calling in debts. Clubs, these days, have no tangible assets. They are houses of cards built on sand. Unlikely to happen. You just have to look at the US which has dealt with this problems for ages (a front row ticket to watch the New York Yankees for one game is close to £1900 and top salaries are around £18,000,000 a year). Fact is Sky and advertising are underwriting the game and so far nobody has complained that subscription fees are too high - I would be quite willing to pay more than I currently do for my sports package. As franchises become global, so an emerging global middle class will be wanting to watch Premiership or Champions League football - that's what the likes of Real are banking on. If there is meltdown, it will be among the smaller clubs that have overstretched, perhaps, by being relegated from the premiership while there is greater consolidation at the top -perhaps a European superleague. Don't quite understand what is meant by tangible assets - football as entertainment is the product. Always has been. Finally, considering we're living through the worst credit crunch in 50 years, Im surprised that not more clubs have hit the wall. As such, I think it reflects the resilience of the game. If limits are reached, players wages will start coming down or levelling off before the system meltdowns. The bigger concern is how to ensure proper competition when wealth is so concentrated but that wealth ain't illusory. Edited 11 July, 2009 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker268 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Was the last piece of that qoute aimed at us ?? Yea I think it was aimed at us, good luck to them though hopefully it won't be as drawn out and full of jokers as ours was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 The Premiership is dull beyond belief, it's only a matter of time before people stop bothering to buy Sky, especially with the recession taking effect. We already know that the top 4 will be Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal in some order - who gives a ****. Following them will be the bunch of perpetual loser top 4 wannabies - Spurs, Villa, City and Everton. The rest of the league is complete shat, crappy little clubs like Wigan, Blackburn, Hull and portsmouth desperately trying to keep hold of their share of cash. People will start turning off soon, take Sky's money away and the whole tower of cards will come down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Charlton Athletic are poised to be the next club to enter administration..... http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1199063/Charlton-brink-40m-debt-set-scupper-takeover-bid.html Mercenary I know - but does that mean that we might not start bottom of the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Whilst everyone’s feeling euphoric over our survival and the apparent availability to endless funds perhaps now is the time to stand back and take a real hard look at the way football has gone over the last few years. No other business in the world could survive (or would contemplate) running its’ finances in such a perilous state in which the key to survival rests on building up a mountain of debt. We’ve survived this time. How many clubs are there in Britain, and indeed the world, that are quite simply living beyond their means? Liverpool, Arsenal and Man.Utd are hocked up to the eyeballs. Chelsea and Man.City are rich peoples’ toys. None of them could survive without the generosity afforded by corporate greed or dubious funding from mega rich tycoons. Quite simply, footballers’ wages and outrageous transfer fees by the bigger clubs are driving up prices and taking the game away from the true fans. Sky sports money has driven the orgiastic greed displayed by some Premiership clubs who now see it as a right to charge extortionate prices for ordinary fans to support their teams. Players being paid £200,000 a week is obscene. How can these players get away with it? No-one can tell me that they’re 200 times better than a player in the 3rd division on £1000.00 a week {Still a good wage!!} so who’s allowing this to happen? Football League governing bodies? Directors of Football clubs? Banks? It doesn’t really matter. A cap has to be set and set soon before we see a meltdown of football. The cracks are beginning to show with Benitez’s statement regarding Barry this week. Perhaps each club should be limited to spending the money it generates at the gate on players’ wages, merchandising to generate company profit, TV money to be distributed proportionately amongst all the clubs to clear debts and transfer money (capped of course) to improve Stadia. Of course it’s not going to work. Hopefully it’ll start a good debate. COYR Discuss Wasting your breath. I and others tried this before the train crash that hit the club this year. You simply state what many sensible fans, and many wiser than average journalists have been trying to say for some time. About the ONLY thing Lowe gets any credit for from my perspective is agreeing with Michel Platini's similar feelings on the subject. The simple truth is - nobody is going to vote unanimously for change. Real have gone beserk this summer, Abu Dhabi are playing look at the size of my wedge with Man City that will kick off the rest into a feeding frenzy to keep up. Arsenal tried the other way and how happy were thier fans this year? Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. Last week I was on your side. This weekend - hahahahahaha - it's COMPETITIVE sport, not some pseudo left wing all equal exhibition - we got ourselves a billionaire - up yours the rest of football! (although for the record, I actual believe AND hope that our man will run this club sensibly and sustainably and will invest wisely when needed for competitive reasons that he can see will bring him a profit in the future (which is how it SHOULD be done) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Charlton Athletic are poised to be the next club to enter administration..... http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1199063/Charlton-brink-40m-debt-set-scupper-takeover-bid.html Now you know this IS funny. If ONLY they had given me a call after they spoke to Zabeel investments last year they would have had their 30mil takeover. But oh no, they were typical dumb Brits when it came to understanding how this part of the world worked. THEY decided to post a press release on a Friday. I posted at that moment exactly what the consequences would be. When you deal with these guys you leave your ego at home, say yes bwana and let THEM do the talking, but oh no they had to do things THEIR way - hahahahahahaha - MORONS! DP 1 - Charlton 0. Hope we get the same result this season on the pitch x 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Mercenary I know - but does that mean that we might not start bottom of the league?C comes before S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 (edited) C comes before S Yes indeed, but the 'might' implied that the potential for more than a 10 point penalty might ensue. Thinking on a more serious note - I wonder how many other League 1 clubs might be in admin before the season is over? Are Saints, Stockport and (possibly) Charlton, just the tip of the iceberg? Edited 11 July, 2009 by RonManager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 English football began to die with the advent of the Premiership and Sky's billions. I think it started to go wrong when clubs were allowed to keep their own gates instead of sharing - suddenly teams like United had a big advantage over less well-supported clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 July, 2009 Share Posted 11 July, 2009 Union Hotel uses the word 'meltdown', you have chosen the phrase 'slowly collapsing'. Again, if I may ask, how do you see this 'slow collapse' actually manifesting? Each team that drops out of the premiership going bust as a result of the overspend in trying to keep themselves there?? - don't laugh - it nearly happened to us and some of the others are not too comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Mercenary I know - but does that mean that we might not start bottom of the league? No - alphabetical order, I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Fantastic post Union Saint. Unfortunately, I think that it will be clubs further down the Leagues that will suffer. They cannot carry on in the current climate (look at Bournemouth, Luton, Rotheram, Darlington as primes examples: constantly in and out of Admin). The big clubs will always be able to survive (no matter the level of their debt): the sooner they f**k off to a European Super League the better. For all it's faults, the Championship just shows what a level playing field does for real competition (that will get people excited). I would almost compare it to the NFL: basically it's very open and a top team one year can be bottom the following. I can't remember the last time the Premier League was exciting and competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionhotel Posted 12 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Washsaint, Totally agree with your post. Apart from the "fab five" who are always at the top of the prem most of the other teams are beatable and any championship side would be a match for them. For the most parts, I enjoyed the football in the championship and apart from the lost prestige of us not being a top flight club, the loss of media coverage etc. the excitement was still there. Too much emphasis is put on the likes of ManU and Liverpool. Get rid I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Washsaint, Totally agree with your post. Apart from the "fab five" who are always at the top of the prem most of the other teams are beatable and any championship side would be a match for them. For the most parts, I enjoyed the football in the championship and apart from the lost prestige of us not being a top flight club, the loss of media coverage etc. the excitement was still there. Too much emphasis is put on the likes of ManU and Liverpool. Get rid I say! Thanks for starting an interesting and thoughtful thread. I'm not sure if I'm unusual but I don't follow "football" or the Premiership, I only follow my team. I find it hard to fathom what a "neutral observer" is. I packed my Sky supscription in when I moved three years ago and I have missed it twice, when Saints were on and ended up down the pub, oh what hardship! Football is in one respect in the same situation as the banks were. We all know that disaster is looming, but nobody can take a first step because the others would take advantage of it. We will have to wait for the crash, I'm afraid. That leads me to be doubtful to what a return to the Premiership means for Saints. Another season or two of watching us lose matches and battle with relegation. I think it has become such a habit so that it might explain why the team for a few years has lacked backbone, which they show every time any loser arrives to St Mary's only to walk away with their first win for many weeks or months, and let's not forget the humiliating defeats against lower league opposition in the cups. I will to start with be pleased to watch us win games. A WIN, ahhh, that is something to look forward to. In the meantime the Premiership will eventually crash, and many more teams with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Watching John Terry driving his Bentley took me back to my youngdays watching our star player in the late 60's (the best centre forward in Europe according to Sir Matt Busby)getting into his old Jag, and driving off to live in his house in middle class areas like Pirrie Close in Upper Shirley. That was acceptable John Terry wanting to talk to Man city for 300k a week.I dont care how wealth our owner is I wont wish to pay £700+ a season to pay for people like that thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 i dont see the problem myself so what if the players drive bentleys etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Charlton Athletic are poised to be the next club to enter administration..... http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/football/article-1199063/Charlton-brink-40m-debt-set-scupper-takeover-bid.html Was the last piece of that qoute aimed at us ?? I certainly thought so! Looks like some money men are realising what a bargain we actually were, rather strange really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 i dont see the problem myself so what if the players drive bentleys etc..thats fine but will you be happy to buy a s/t close to a grand to help pay for them to drive them?These people are in the main not very bright, cant kick a ball from 12 yards into a goal and have trouble passing the ball more than 10yards 60-70% of the time. I dont mind them earning a good wage but it is now getting beyond a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 thats fine but will you be happy to buy a s/t close to a grand to help pay for them to drive them?These people are in the main not very bright, cant kick a ball from 12 yards into a goal and have trouble passing the ball more than 10yards 60-70% of the time. I dont mind them earning a good wage but it is now getting beyond a joke. who cares if they are bright or not...? there are far worse things we can and do waste our money on... people look at the money footie players are paid..most dont earn as much as johnathon ross ffs and he is a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 who cares if they are bright or not...? there are far worse things we can and do waste our money on... people look at the money footie players are paid..most dont earn as much as johnathon ross ffs and he is a **** Ok, will you buy a season ticket to pay towards their living of around 700+ in the Northam? Ps are you coming back this season as we are not playing Plymouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Ok, will you buy a season ticket to pay towards their living of around 700+ in the Northam? Ps are you coming back this season as we are not playing Plymouth no need to buy a season ticket.. I will not/cant go to all the games for obvious reasons and it will hardly be a sell out week in week out. I will make a few trips back this season...will be going to exeter and yeovil too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 no need to buy a season ticket.. I will not/cant go to all the games for obvious reasons and it will hardly be a sell out week in week out. I will make a few trips back this season...will be going to exeter and yeovil tooThats fair but would you pay 35 to pay towards their lifestyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Thats fair but would you pay 35 to pay towards their lifestyle? not too sure what you mean...it is £22 to watch saints this season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 not too sure what you mean...it is £22 to watch saints this season..Yes 22 this season but if you are defending the high wages players get and we get back to having star players would you pay 35 upwards to watch them sitting on the northam.I dont think I will want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Yes 22 this season but if you are defending the high wages players get and we get back to having star players would you pay 35 upwards to watch them sitting on the northam.I dont think I will want to. fair enough...plenty will so they will charge those prices.. imo, football is great entertainment, it is more than that. We waste money on all sorts of pointless crap, football (imo) is not one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 IMO a fragmentation of the league will occur and I will be happy to watch Saints win the CCC year after year and decline promotion to the Premiership where it becomes too expensive and marginal to operate for a mid-size club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Is it really £1900 ($3000) for the best seat for a single Yankees game???? On salaries, I think the ludicrous numbers at the top levels probably ARE sustainable. The very top footballers are beginning to catch up with top American sportsmen and world famous pop stars. Btw, the argument that John Terry isn't 200 tiems as good as a £1K per week players doesn't hold much water. Wages - in every field - go up exponentially as you reach the far (talented) end of the "bell curve". I reckon Jenson Button is probably only about twice as fast as me in a F1 car - but I wouldn't expect to get 50% of his wages if a Formula One team signed me up! Ron's question - how does the meltdown manifest itself? - is interesting. My feeling is that once one biggish team collapses (Newcastle?) a domino efefct could kick in. Ashley has lost (or will lose) £40m more on Newcastle United. Football will at some point become less attractive for the hyper-rich and less palatable for banks to finance. One thing I just cannot comprehend is why footballers aren't paid - in large part - based on performance. This is a business with transparent results. Win bonuses, final league position bonuses etc. should be a far, far bigger part of a player's salary than at present. Some people have mentioend the American model - theer's an article about it and Saints here http://www.liberal-vision.org/2009/07/06/is-football-really-a-free-market-sport/ I don't see how there is a legal problem re:restraint of trade if the FA or UEFA were the "employer". Ronaldo could choose to ply his trade in the "independent Screwfix Sunday league" if he wanted. But would probably choose the UEFA "brand" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 12 July, 2009 Share Posted 12 July, 2009 Yes 22 this season but if you are defending the high wages players get and we get back to having star players would you pay 35 upwards to watch them sitting on the northam.I dont think I will want to. I would pay £35 a game to watch Saints in the premiership, no question. However, that's only about 50% more than League One. But Premiership salaries are, what, ten or twenty times as high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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