NickG Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 With likes of James, Mills and Gillett a year more experienced and being able to use our full squad we could easily be (and need to be!) a lot stronger than last year. Last season started manager JP KD James - first game as RB Perry Svensson - soon injured and far from him of old Surman - first as LB Thomson all midfield just about teenagers on debuts Schneiderlin Gillet Holmes Lallana DMG This season could easily look like; manager Pardew KD Murty Perry Thomas Mills Lallana Gillett James Euell Rasiak John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 would not say stronger...about par (which is awful) the squad is far far too thin..no where near enough numbers and quality for this league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 July, 2009 would not say stronger...about par (which is awful) the squad is far far too thin..no where near enough numbers and quality for this league... so Rasiak /Saga/ John are par with Lallana and DMG? JP same as Pardew? Thomas same as vacancy for CB none of younger players will have got better? Murty par (appreciate not signed but looks formality) with CM youngster put in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 so Rasiak /Saga/ John are par with Lallana and DMG? JP same as Pardew? Thomas same as vacancy for CB none of younger players will have got better? Murty par (appreciate not signed but looks formality) with CM youngster put in there? well..I would not say "alot stronger"...we have only sold 2 players and other have gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 It always makes me laugh when I see anyone pick a team that has Rasiak and John up front. It would never ever work..... not even at the Veracity Ground on a Sunday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 We are still 5 or 6 decent players short of a squad IMO ! I am however confident that we'll sign them but just hope that they up the quality level ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 It always makes me laugh when I see anyone pick a team that has Rasiak and John up front. It would never ever work..... not even at the Veracity Ground on a Sunday morning. Yes, I'm sure the goal posts are more mobile. We need a player with a bit of intelligent movement, pace and creativity about him. He would work well with either of them, as would Saga, IF he stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 If we can get in 4-5 players to replace Skacel, Surman, McGoldrick, Stern (if he leaves) and Size then we will definatly have a strong squad. Hopefully we will sign quality to replace those 5 and not go go down the same route as last season and sign 15 mediocre players and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 With likes of James, Mills and Gillett a year more experienced and being able to use our full squad we could easily be (and need to be!) a lot stronger than last year. Last season started manager JP KD James - first game as RB Perry Svensson - soon injured and far from him of old Surman - first as LB Thomson all midfield just about teenagers on debuts Schneiderlin Gillet Holmes Lallana DMG This season could easily look like; manager Pardew KD Murty Perry Thomas Mills Lallana Gillett James Euell Rasiak John Murty was injured most of last season. Thomas the whole of the last season. John hasn't signed yet and has a bad back. Will they be fit? Mills looked promising, but this will be his first season. Who's the back-up? Euell doesn't score anymore and didn't look convincing as a midfielder. Rasiak wants away. Maybe not as solid if you start scratching at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 If we can get in 4-5 players to replace Skacel, Surman, McGoldrick, Stern (if he leaves) and Size then we will definatly have a strong squad. Hopefully we will sign quality to replace those 5 and not go go down the same route as last season and sign 15 mediocre players and hope for the best. We need at least 12 quality players IMO. So far we've lost 8 first team players from last season's squad, plus a few academy rejects. Quality was very scarce last season anyway and we've still got a few players who are blatently not up to the job (Pulis, Holmes, Molyneux, Schneiderlin, Lancashire, Wotton, Euell) in the team. As far as players who are up to it go: GK: Davis, Forecast, Bart/Poke RB: - LB: Mills CB: Perry, Thomas RM: James LM: CM: Gillett ST: Rasiak, Saga, Lallana IMO we are still 2 RBs, 2 CBs, 1 LB, 1 RM, 2 LMs, 3 CMs and a striker (that's 11 players at least) away from having a decent team IMO. Murty CDAJFU at RB, but that's as close as it gets at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 July, 2009 definately needs a lot more work - but think it potentially needed even more last year! - for a higher division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 CN. You have seconded the point made by TDD- we need some good signings. I absolutely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 July, 2009 We need at least 12 quality players IMO. So far we've lost 8 first team players from last season's squad, plus a few academy rejects. Quality was very scarce last season anyway and we've still got a few players who are blatently not up to the job (Pulis, Holmes, Molyneux, Schneiderlin, Lancashire, Wotton, Euell) in the team. As far as players who are up to it go: GK: Davis, Forecast, Bart/Poke RB: - LB: Mills CB: Perry, Thomas RM: James LM: CM: Gillett ST: Rasiak, Saga, Lallana IMO we are still 2 RBs, 2 CBs, 1 LB, 1 RM, 2 LMs, 3 CMs and a striker (that's 11 players at least) away from having a decent team IMO. Murty CDAJFU at RB, but that's as close as it gets at the mo. Holmes is a good player. Schneiderlin clearly has ability but disappointed. He is very young - moved to a new country and found himself in a club in turmoil - wouldn't right him off yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 Nick - having you actually seen any of our preseason games so far ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 July, 2009 Nick - having you actually seen any of our preseason games so far ? no. Did see all of last seasons home games tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 no. Did see all of last seasons home games tho Those who have tend not to be as optomistic I'm afraid . I'm totally supportive of whats going on currently at SFC but frankly we're not even close to being ready for this season and it's going to take a mighty effort to get a team together that can compete with established L1 outfits . Until that happy day let's not get too premature with the 'we'll walk this league' trap we've so often fallen into . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 Holmes is a good player. Schneiderlin clearly has ability but disappointed. He is very young - moved to a new country and found himself in a club in turmoil - wouldn't right him off yet. None of which qualifies him for a place in a promotion chasing League 1 side. Holmes is a poor mans Skacel. He can cross, but his shooting is off and he is crippled. Can can't contribute Jack from the physio room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 17 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 July, 2009 None of which qualifies him for a place in a promotion chasing League 1 side.totally agree, his performances so far do not warrant first 11, however my points still stand and he could be - even during this season very good for us. Holmes is a poor mans Skacel. He can cross,he played some very good games before his injury, man of the match a couple of times, good energy as well but his shooting is off and he is crippled. his injury rate has been bad - if he is crippled of course he is no good but feel this is yet another example of writing off players unfairlyCan can't contribute Jack from the physio room. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 None of which qualifies him for a place in a promotion chasing League 1 side. But I'd say being an U15, U16, U17, U18, U19 and U20 France international probably says we haven't see his best yet. (Yes I Google'd this). No guarantee but I'd say that with a team around him and some sensible tactics he can play the game. Holmes is a poor mans Skacel. He can cross, but his shooting is off and he is crippled. Can can't contribute Jack from the physio room. Skacel? The fat bloke that huffed and puffed around at left back at the back half of last season? Sorry but you lost any credibility IMO by using the comparison a "poor man's Skacel". By what measure could Skacel (the one that actually played for us - not the over-hyped and mythical demi-God that George Burley persuaded to come down from Olympus to walk among us mortals) be held up as the benchmark by which other players should be judged? As for being injury prone you could be right but I thought Holmes was a class act in the early part of last season. He certainly ins't Skacel. Thank ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 ... All fair enough. Yes both MIGHT be able to do a job for us next season, but I wouldn't bet on it. If I was the manager I'd have a squad of 30. 2 players for each possition, 3 goalies and the other 7 would be players who might be pushing the fringes. Players like Morgan, Paterson, Doble, McLaggon etc. I saw Schneiderlin a few times in November, then a few more appearances dotted accross the season, then his (and Saints) final game of the season against Forest. I can't honnestly say the MS I saw in Nottingham was any better than the one I saw in November. If anything he looked worse. Disinterested, unwilling to get stuck in, no movement, no creativity in the passin, no tracking back. I'm not writing him off, but on that showing he isn't ready for even L1 yet. But I'd say being an U15, U16, U17, U18, U19 and U20 France international probably says we haven't see his best yet. (Yes I Google'd this). No guarantee but I'd say that with a team around him and some sensible tactics he can play the game. Skacel? The fat bloke that huffed and puffed around at left back at the back half of last season? Sorry but you lost any credibility IMO by using the comparison a "poor man's Skacel". By what measure could Skacel (the one that actually played for us - not the over-hyped and mythical demi-God that George Burley persuaded to come down from Olympus to walk among us mortals) be held up as the benchmark by which other players should be judged? As for being injury prone you could be right but I thought Holmes was a class act in the early part of last season. He certainly ins't Skacel. Thank ****. And you lost all credibility using ridiculous statements like that. All the Skacel haters are just obsessed with the hype (how is this his fault, please explain, I honnestly don't get it) and the fact that he can't reproduce the 17 goals he scored at Hearts playing at LB. Skacel contriubuted as much as Surman and Viafara in our play-off season and easily more than we've ever had the likes of Belmadi, Idiakez, Hammill, Euell, Morgan or Holmes. We're treading on old ground here, back to the point: Holmes cannot be relied upon to be ready for the first team next season. His injury record will mean he is never fully fit and we wont get the best form out of him. Schneiderlin may well look good playing in a team of French teenagers against a team of similarly aged players from the mighty Turkey. Against men however, in the English League, he looks like a fish up a tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 sorry arizona...he NEVER was a first choice LB at hearts..he was left wing.. he only played LB a handful of times, filling when he was at marseille..and then of course..saints.. he has even been quoted saying this I do agree with your points though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 sorry arizona...he NEVER was a first choice LB at hearts..he was left wing.. he only played LB a handful of times, filling when he was at marseille..and then of course..saints.. he has even been quoted saying this I do agree with your points though I know, that's my point. He scored 17 goals in a season playing in midfield for Hearts, then failed to reproduce it playing most of his Saints career at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 I know, that's my point. He scored 17 goals in a season playing in midfield for Hearts, then failed to reproduce it playing most of his Saints career at LB. Roger that...My mistake.. although he was not spectacular..wasnt he the one with the most assists that season..? as for the hype...is that his fauilt..? did HE hype himself up..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 Roger that...My mistake.. although he was not spectacular..wasnt he the one with the most assists that season..? as for the hype...is that his fauilt..? did HE hype himself up..? Second to Bale in the assists chart. Equal with Drew and VFRR in the midfield goals. And your third point is very valid, but ignored by those who love to hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right sider Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 At Bournemouth we spent long periods of the game being outplayed! I will worry unless we get major reinforcements to the core of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 And you lost all credibility using ridiculous statements like that. All the Skacel haters are just obsessed with the hype (how is this his fault, please explain, I honnestly don't get it) and the fact that he can't reproduce the 17 goals he scored at Hearts playing at LB. Skacel contriubuted as much as Surman and Viafara in our play-off season and easily more than we've ever had the likes of Belmadi, Idiakez, Hammill, Euell, Morgan or Holmes. We're treading on old ground here, back to the point: Holmes cannot be relied upon to be ready for the first team next season. His injury record will mean he is never fully fit and we wont get the best form out of him. Schneiderlin may well look good playing in a team of French teenagers against a team of similarly aged players from the mighty ... Against men however, in the English League, he looks like a fish up a tree. Well that leaves both of us with our credibility in tatters so we'll agree to disagree. Re Holmes and injuries, you could be right but IF fit I think he could be a real asset. It was simply the comparison I objected to. Re Schneiderlin again I wouldn't dispute that his France youth call ups won't help him up against men in league 1. Yoann Folly is an example of that. But I think a good coach in the right team and he could be a star. And I also agree with the OP that we are stronger for the experience of last year. But it will be the manager/coach that determines whether that improvement means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 IF the squad RIGHT NOW is stronger..it will be by default IMO the squad is smaller, and was turd last season... it appears stronger due to some of the utterly shyt opposition coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 (edited) If we look stronger this year compared to last it's only because a few players got some vital experience (which helped relegate us), and because 19 of the teams are probably crapper than last season's opponents. I don't get the sinking feeling when looking for the mugs in the fixtures list this season. As a noted optimist, I'm going for us to finish 13th provided -10 is final. I said "about half way" last season too, but really had no clue where we'd end up, even after the Cardiff game. I can see Ajax sticking 5 on us though. Oh and Holmes was a very good player at CCC level when fit last season, never mind League One. I'd add Gobern to the list of good Saints players too, also a left footed midfielder with a ton of potential. Ben Reeves looked decent at left back when I saw him, Doble excelled in midfield in a couple of spells - there's promise there, but promise got us nothing last season. My main hope is that Mills' development at Scvnthorpe wasn't just cos he had proper grown up footballers around him... Edited 17 July, 2009 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdownunder Posted 17 July, 2009 Share Posted 17 July, 2009 The club moving finally in the right direction of the field will play a big part in the resurgence of the club. I hope we select any future players very carefully to plug a couple of holes in our squad Quality not quantity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 I know, that's my point. He scored 17 goals in a season playing in midfield for Hearts, then failed to reproduce it playing most of his Saints career at LB. He had a whole season playing in midfield to show his Hearts form. And didn't. Perhaps, just perhaps, that was the flash in the pan? He probably scored more goals in the first half a season than he had in his entire career previously. Didn't he only score 2 after Xmas? Second to Bale in the assists chart. Equal with Drew and VFRR in the midfield goals. With 4. Cosmic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Holmes is a poor mans Skacel. He can cross... Which is quite useful for a wide midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 At Bournemouth we spent long periods of the game being outplayed! I will worry unless we get major reinforcements to the core of the team. Spot on. I went full of enthusiasm but came away depressed. The lack of goals in all our pre season games is worrying. We will have to see what today brings and the players AP can bring in over the next 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Arizona you're being very harsh on some of our squad players there. Brining in 12 players would just harm the development of a lot of our young players, unless we ship a few out and replace them we really don't need to sign that many players. GK: Davis, Bart and Poke. Sell or loan Forecast RB: Murty and James LB: Mills and Reeves - bit of a risk not having an experienced LB and might be asking a lot of Reeves if Mills get injured, might be an idea to get a LB in on loan so Mills can move up to left wing. CB: Perry, Thomas, Lancashire + 1. Really need to sign a top quality CB. DMC: Gillett, Schneiderlin, James and Wotton AMC: Lallana, Gobern +1. Get an experienced attacking creative midfielder. LM: Holmes, Gobern +1. Would probably shift Holmes on if possible, need a new left winger wether he stays or leaves. RM: Thomson, McLaggon +1. Need an experienced right winger, McLaggon looks like a prospect but i'm not sure Thomson is up to it. SC: Rasiak and Paterson +2 need two strikers, If Saga and John stay then well we don't need those either. I can't see those two staying though. So basically we need a CB, LM, RM, AMC, two strikers and maybe a LB on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opthomps Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 We need more new faces in most positions. Schneiderlin and Holmes both undoubtedly have talent, but need the right players about them. The balance has to be right. This is why I am glad we have a manager with experience at THIS level. Pardew will hopefully sort the wheat from the chaff. If a player cant cut it at this level then he needs to get rid. The likes of holmes being injury prone is a concern. He shouldnt be relied on as the only left mid, more as a bonus if hes fit. Lets hope Pardew can identify and secure players that can play and work at the required level and instill the desire in all of them, and I have faith that he will be able to do this given time. Someone like Oakley or bairdy would be ideal to have back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 would not say stronger...about par (which is awful) the squad is far far too thin..no where near enough numbers and quality for this league... How do you know the "quality of this league" as we haven't played in it for nigh on fifty years and in all probability you have never seen a match in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 I would be a lot more comfortable with 5-6 new faces TBH - or even some old ones returning - depends on the masterplan - if we really want to push for a playoff place this season then I'm afraid the boad needs to be pushed out and we need to make a LOT of good quality signings and fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 How do you know the "quality of this league" as we haven't played in it for nigh on fifty years and in all probability you have never seen a match in your life. Well I've never seen a game in this league before, but I would hazard a guess that it is marginally lower than the league we were in last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 We must get some pace and power into the squad last season it was boys v men in many games and this league is a lot rougher and tougher we have to have some pace power and fight and we dont have that in our squad at the moment we need some new faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 How do you know the "quality of this league" as we haven't played in it for nigh on fifty years and in all probability you have never seen a match in your life. plymouth were in this league a few years back and went to a fair few midweek games.. my old boss is a yeovil fan and have been to a few midweek games over the couple of seasons.. some of the football was utterly embarrassing to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Arizona you're being very harsh on some of our squad players there. Brining in 12 players would just harm the development of a lot of our young players, unless we ship a few out and replace them we really don't need to sign that many players. GK: Davis, Bart and Poke. Sell or loan Forecast RB: Murty and James LB: Mills and Reeves - bit of a risk not having an experienced LB and might be asking a lot of Reeves if Mills get injured, might be an idea to get a LB in on loan so Mills can move up to left wing. CB: Perry, Thomas, Lancashire + 1. Really need to sign a top quality CB. DMC: Gillett, Schneiderlin, James and Wotton AMC: Lallana, Gobern +1. Get an experienced attacking creative midfielder. LM: Holmes, Gobern +1. Would probably shift Holmes on if possible, need a new left winger wether he stays or leaves. RM: Thomson, McLaggon +1. Need an experienced right winger, McLaggon looks like a prospect but i'm not sure Thomson is up to it. SC: Rasiak and Paterson +2 need two strikers, If Saga and John stay then well we don't need those either. I can't see those two staying though. So basically we need a CB, LM, RM, AMC, two strikers and maybe a LB on loan. As I said, I'd have a squad of 30 with 2 players in each possition who are DEFINITELY ready for the first team. Then 7 more young players like Gobern, McLaggon, Thomson, Reeves, Doble etc who have shown glimpses of tallent and MIGHT be pushing for a first team place later in the season. Looking at that list, there are a lot of players who have yet to prove they're up to it. I'm not happy with two inexperienced LBs. Mills looked good at Scunny, but form can be patchy with young players. Gobern and Lancs didn't looking good enough for a relegated CCC team, that doesn't mean they are League 1 standard. Wotton is, in all honnest, crap. Schneiderlin, for all his neet touches looks like a fish up a tree. Maybe I just have high standards, but I've said the last two summers our squad is nowhere near good enough. Both times I was called a negative budgie by people who were certain we'd at least make the play offs and both times we've ended up in a relegation spot going into the final game of the season. One more thing, I disagree about planning on using one player to cover several possitions. Two years ago, in amongst all the Paul Allen stuff, I saw a post something like this: "We've got loads of depth and quality in our squad, look: GK: Davis, Bart, Poke RB: Wright, Thomas CB: Thomas, Lundekvam, Powell, Viafara LB: Skacel, Surman RM: Surman, Viafara CM: Surman, Viafara, Wright, Euell LM: Skacel, Surman ST: Rasiak, BWP, Saga, Euell" Which is all well and good, but there are only 11 outfield players in that "deep" squad. Two injuries and you can't put a team out. I personally would plan on the first choice 11 getting injured before the first game of the season and still be able to put out a competitive team. From the team you've got there, you'd be building a team out of Bart, James, Reeves, Lancashire, Wotton, Gobern and McLaggon. That's 7 players, of which only James and Wotton could be relied upon for first team duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 As I said, I'd have a squad of 30 with 2 players in each possition who are DEFINITELY ready for the first team. Then 7 more young players like Gobern, McLaggon, Thomson, Reeves, Doble etc who have shown glimpses of tallent and MIGHT be pushing for a first team place later in the season. Looking at that list, there are a lot of players who have yet to prove they're up to it. I'm not happy with two inexperienced LBs. Mills looked good at Scunny, but form can be patchy with young players. Gobern and Lancs didn't looking good enough for a relegated CCC team, that doesn't mean they are League 1 standard. Wotton is, in all honnest, crap. Schneiderlin, for all his neet touches looks like a fish up a tree. Maybe I just have high standards, but I've said the last two summers our squad is nowhere near good enough. Both times I was called a negative budgie by people who were certain we'd at least make the play offs and both times we've ended up in a relegation spot going into the final game of the season. One more thing, I disagree about planning on using one player to cover several possitions. Two years ago, in amongst all the Paul Allen stuff, I saw a post something like this: "We've got loads of depth and quality in our squad, look: GK: Davis, Bart, Poke RB: Wright, Thomas CB: Thomas, Lundekvam, Powell, Viafara LB: Skacel, Surman RM: Surman, Viafara CM: Surman, Viafara, Wright, Euell LM: Skacel, Surman ST: Rasiak, BWP, Saga, Euell" Which is all well and good, but there are only 11 outfield players in that "deep" squad. Two injuries and you can't put a team out. I personally would plan on the first choice 11 getting injured before the first game of the season and still be able to put out a competitive team. From the team you've got there, you'd be building a team out of Bart, James, Reeves, Lancashire, Wotton, Gobern and McLaggon. That's 7 players, of which only James and Wotton could be relied upon for first team duties.[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 I hope I don't regret saying this, but there were a brief few weeks last season when the Gillett/Schneiderlin partnership looked like it had real promise - and Schneiderlin strikes me as a player who needs a hustling CM sidekick. Even in the bouncy-castle world of League 1, he may yet be a revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 I hope I don't regret saying this, but there were a brief few weeks last season when the Gillett/Schneiderlin partnership looked like it had real promise - and Schneiderlin strikes me as a player who needs a hustling CM sidekick. Even in the bouncy-castle world of League 1, he may yet be a revelation. Schneiderlin showed great skill at times but I don't know if he'll get the time on the ball that he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATERSIDEIFASAINT Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 we now have a far better manager who will no doubt get the best out of players like Lallana & Schneiderlin or move them on. If we had had John,Rasiak,Saga & Murty in our side last season we would probably of stayed up!! Mills,Patterson,Gobern,Mclaggon,White all more experienced now. So if we added a new lb,cb,cm,lm and pacey front man the team would be good enough for the championship not just div 1 imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 July, 2009 We need at least 12 quality players IMO. So far we've lost 8 first team players from last season's squad, plus a few academy rejects. Quality was very scarce last season anyway and we've still got a few players who are blatently not up to the job (Pulis, Holmes, Molyneux, Schneiderlin, Lancashire, Wotton, Euell) in the team. As far as players who are up to it go: GK: Davis, Forecast, Bart/Poke RB: - LB: Mills CB: Perry, Thomas RM: James LM: CM: Gillett ST: Rasiak, Saga, Lallana IMO we are still 2 RBs, 2 CBs, 1 LB, 1 RM, 2 LMs, 3 CMs and a striker (that's 11 players at least) away from having a decent team IMO. Murty CDAJFU at RB, but that's as close as it gets at the mo. thought Schneiderlin looked good today - skillfull attacking and energetic, went with mate who goes to liverpool and he was impressed - didn't know who he was but said him and KD impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Does the fact your mate goes to Liverpool mean some sort of extra approval ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Does the fact your mate goes to Liverpool mean some sort of extra approval ? meant someone open minded who hadn't seen any of players before, is that ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Totally agree that Kelvin and Morgan were the best players on the pitch,and think you may find Morgan will be abit of a hero come the end of the season you heard it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 thought Schneiderlin looked good today - skillfull attacking and energetic, went with mate who goes to liverpool and he was impressed - didn't know who he was but said him and KD impressed. Well, that's a good start. He will have to put in a few decent performances in the League to really prove his mettle. Hopefully AP is the man to get the best out of it. Dellgirl, maybe you're getting a bit carried away there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 18 July, 2009 Share Posted 18 July, 2009 Wouldnt say we are stronger than last year! I now football is all about opinion but I disagree I think we need at least 4 or 5 players in there. These would have to be solid players mixed in with the youth we have. I know AP loves his wingers, so maybe a couple of older heads in the centre with some young sprintly wingers. If Lee Holmes even gets back to proper fitness I think he will be in most games for AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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