What's in a name?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

While waiting for our next signing I started to contemplate some players from yesteryear!

 

 

Surnames of footballers are a lot different to the days when Barnsley always seemed to have an Awkwright and Newcastle a Milburn in their sides. Today’s flood of foreigners have certainly spiced up the team sheets on the back pages of programmes with Southampton being no exception. Flipping through the pages of the “Alphabet of the Saints” I noticed that Saints did not have a Smith – evidently the most common surname in England - on their books between George Smith leaving the club in 1949 and Paul Smith arriving in 2004. However since 1938 Saints have had no less than 7 players called Williams to make a first team experience and yet only 4 Jones (Ken, Ernie, Paul and Kenwynne).

Who would ever had thought during the 2006-07 season a Radio Solent commentator would ever be able to describe the beginning of a Saints attack thus – “and Pele slides a through ball for Best to run onto”. Was Pele ever his real name?

 

It was while flicking through the Alphabet that I suddenly noticed how well Xmas is represented in the ranks of Southampton FC surnames, for not only do we have an Angell (James William 1906-07), but also a Saul (Frank Lander 1967-70), a Gabriel (James 1967-72) and - wait for it - even a Christmas (Edwin Cecil Russell 1911-12). All we need to do now is to sign a Jesus from a Spanish club and we would be well set up for our own club nativity play! No prizes which role Dennis Wise would get

 

The shortest surname is three letters – we had two Frys (CB 1900-03 and Roger 1970-72) while who could forget Ali Dia (1996-97). We have also had three Lees (Bert 1900-06, 1911-15, Sammy 1989-90 and David 1991-93) and a couple of Days (Alfred 1937-38 and Eric (1946-57). I also should not forget Walter Cox (1894-96) or Harry Eke (1913-14).

 

Longest has to be Phillipson-Masters (Forbes 1976-78 ) with Wrigglesworth (William 1947-48 ) the longest individual surname but Andruszewski (Manny 1974-80) and Danny Higginbotham should get honorary mentions. Two countries have been named after Saints’ players, Ireland (Sidney 1911-15) and Jordan (Joe 1984-87, Frank 1908-10) and, so far one planet, Moon (Charles 1909-10).

 

Could another country be arriving soon? – a Holland perhaps!

 

One county is represented – Ollie Lancashire (Ollie 2008- ) and also one famous film studio Hollywood (Denis 1962-72), a film star Van Damme (Jelle 2004-05) and a famous London Street Carnaby (Tom 1938-39).

 

Saints’ players have always been well connected. We have had an Earl(s) (Mick 1973-75) a couple of Kings (Bill 1934-39 and Ernest 1925-27), a Bishop (Alfred 1926-27), a Knight (Bill 1911-13), two Monks (Gary 1998 - 2003 and Frank 1910-12), a Dean (Norman 1963-66) and even a Prince (Percy 1908-20).

 

From the animal kingdom we employed a Hare (Tommy 1965-66) a Bullock (James 1924-28 ) and a Venison (Barry 1995-97), while feathered players include Fred Bird (1907-08 ), Phil Kite (1984-86) and of course, Ted Drake (1931-34). Finally we must not forget Ernest Pike (1902-03) or Glenn ****erill (1985-94), nor Crabbe (Buster 1974-76 and perhaps now before I get completely carried away I will knock this post on the head with a Mallett (Joe 1946-53).

 

Anyone remember any other interesting surnames?

[thegaffer]

A few Bakers,a Shearer.Have we had a Butcher?What about players with connections to holidays like Ball,Case and who could forget Terry Plaine:)

[thegaffer]

Nearly forgot to mention Terry Plaine was on the right wing.

[Badger]

On a not dissimilar theme,I was recently going through the names of footballers from my childhood with my two young avid Saints fans.

 

As an observation many changes in christian name over the last 40 years on the teamsheets and collected football cards.

 

Teams always comprised a couple of 'Bobby's', Bob, or even a Rob, but not Robbie or Roberto .

 

Ali was an abbreviation of Alistair not a distant cousin of George Weah.

 

Stan,Stanley,Norman,often featured on the opponent's team sheet.When was the last 'Albert' seen ?(cue obvious double entendres).

 

Several Ron's,although only one as far as I was concerned in the 1960's.

 

Not a Dean,Wayne or Kyle to be seen anywhere.

 

Obviously just a reflection of social change but noticeable none the less.

[Badger]

One of the most remarkable names of a Saints player ever is Herbert Dainty.

[sentry]

My god you are bored!!!

[Dimond Geezer]

On a not dissimilar theme,I was recently going through the names of footballers from my childhood with my two young avid Saints fans.

 

As an observation many changes in christian name over the last 40 years on the teamsheets and collected football cards.

 

Teams always comprised a couple of 'Bobby's', Bob, or even a Rob, but not Robbie or Roberto .

 

Ali was an abbreviation of Alistair not a distant cousin of George Weah.

 

Stan,Stanley,Norman,often featured on the opponent's team sheet.When was the last 'Albert' seen ?(cue obvious double entendres).

 

Several Ron's,although only one as far as I was concerned in the 1960's.

 

Not a Dean,Wayne or Kyle to be seen anywhere.

 

Obviously just a reflection of social change but noticeable none the less.

 

I remember Mark Whitlock being called Albert by the players, presumably to distinguish him from the other Marks we had in the same defence (Dennis & Wright).

[Fitzhugh Fella]

A few Bakers,a Shearer.Have we had a Butcher?What about players with connections to holidays like Ball,Case and who could forget Terry Plaine:)

 

A couple of Potters

[jawillwill]

While waiting for our next signing I started to contemplate some players from yesteryear!

 

 

Surnames of footballers are a lot different to the days when Barnsley always seemed to have an Awkwright and Newcastle a Milburn in their sides. Today’s flood of foreigners have certainly spiced up the team sheets on the back pages of programmes with Southampton being no exception. Flipping through the pages of the “Alphabet of the Saints” I noticed that Saints did not have a Smith – evidently the most common surname in England - on their books between George Smith leaving the club in 1949 and Paul Smith arriving in 2004. However since 1938 Saints have had no less than 7 players called Williams to make a first team experience and yet only 4 Jones (Ken, Ernie, Paul and Kenwynne).

Who would ever had thought during the 2006-07 season a Radio Solent commentator would ever be able to describe the beginning of a Saints attack thus – “and Pele slides a through ball for Best to run onto”. Was Pele ever his real name?

 

It was while flicking through the Alphabet that I suddenly noticed how well Xmas is represented in the ranks of Southampton FC surnames, for not only do we have an Angell (James William 1906-07), but also a Saul (Frank Lander 1967-70), a Gabriel (James 1967-72) and - wait for it - even a Christmas (Edwin Cecil Russell 1911-12). All we need to do now is to sign a Jesus from a Spanish club and we would be well set up for our own club nativity play! No prizes which role Dennis Wise would get

 

The shortest surname is three letters – we had two Frys (CB 1900-03 and Roger 1970-72) while who could forget Ali Dia (1996-97). We have also had three Lees (Bert 1900-06, 1911-15, Sammy 1989-90 and David 1991-93) and a couple of Days (Alfred 1937-38 and Eric (1946-57). I also should not forget Walter Cox (1894-96) or Harry Eke (1913-14).

 

Longest has to be Phillipson-Masters (Forbes 1976-78 ) with Wrigglesworth (William 1947-48 ) the longest individual surname but Andruszewski (Manny 1974-80) and Danny Higginbotham should get honorary mentions. Two countries have been named after Saints’ players, Ireland (Sidney 1911-15) and Jordan (Joe 1984-87, Frank 1908-10) and, so far one planet, Moon (Charles 1909-10).

 

Could another country be arriving soon? – a Holland perhaps!

 

One county is represented – Ollie Lancashire (Ollie 2008- ) and also one famous film studio Hollywood (Denis 1962-72), a film star Van Damme (Jelle 2004-05) and a famous London Street Carnaby (Tom 1938-39).

 

Saints’ players have always been well connected. We have had an Earl(s) (Mick 1973-75) a couple of Kings (Bill 1934-39 and Ernest 1925-27), a Bishop (Alfred 1926-27), a Knight (Bill 1911-13), two Monks (Gary 1998 - 2003 and Frank 1910-12), a Dean (Norman 1963-66) and even a Prince (Percy 1908-20).

 

From the animal kingdom we employed a Hare (Tommy 1965-66) a Bullock (James 1924-28 ) and a Venison (Barry 1995-97), while feathered players include Fred Bird (1907-08 ), Phil Kite (1984-86) and of course, Ted Drake (1931-34). Finally we must not forget Ernest Pike (1902-03) or Glenn ****erill (1985-94), nor Crabbe (Buster 1974-76 and perhaps now before I get completely carried away I will knock this post on the head with a Mallett (Joe 1946-53).

 

Anyone remember any other interesting surnames?

 

A donkey or (speaking from personal experience) a random by-passer who's face is just that little bit too ugly to be in the main bit of the play?

[Pancake]

Excellent post.

 

On a personal note, do you know how many Marshes have played for Saints over the years Duncan?

[miserableoldgit]

Don`t forget we had Holmes (Nick) and Watson (Dave) in the same team. Any other "double acts?" C(h)annon and Ball anyone?

 

Pedantry alert!!!!! The Moon is not a planet. (Sorry - I couldn`t help myself)

Edited 30 July, 2009 by miserableoldgit
Even more pedantry!!

[NorthamSteve]

While waiting for our next signing I started to contemplate some players from yesteryear!

 

 

Surnames of footballers are a lot different to the days when Barnsley always seemed to have an Awkwright and Newcastle a Milburn in their sides. Today’s flood of foreigners have certainly spiced up the team sheets on the back pages of programmes with Southampton being no exception. Flipping through the pages of the “Alphabet of the Saints” I noticed that Saints did not have a Smith – evidently the most common surname in England - on their books between George Smith leaving the club in 1949 and Paul Smith arriving in 2004. However since 1938 Saints have had no less than 7 players called Williams to make a first team experience and yet only 4 Jones (Ken, Ernie, Paul and Kenwynne).

Who would ever had thought during the 2006-07 season a Radio Solent commentator would ever be able to describe the beginning of a Saints attack thus – “and Pele slides a through ball for Best to run onto”. Was Pele ever his real name?

 

It was while flicking through the Alphabet that I suddenly noticed how well Xmas is represented in the ranks of Southampton FC surnames, for not only do we have an Angell (James William 1906-07), but also a Saul (Frank Lander 1967-70), a Gabriel (James 1967-72) and - wait for it - even a Christmas (Edwin Cecil Russell 1911-12). All we need to do now is to sign a Jesus from a Spanish club and we would be well set up for our own club nativity play! No prizes which role Dennis Wise would get

 

The shortest surname is three letters – we had two Frys (CB 1900-03 and Roger 1970-72) while who could forget Ali Dia (1996-97). We have also had three Lees (Bert 1900-06, 1911-15, Sammy 1989-90 and David 1991-93) and a couple of Days (Alfred 1937-38 and Eric (1946-57). I also should not forget Walter Cox (1894-96) or Harry Eke (1913-14).

 

Longest has to be Phillipson-Masters (Forbes 1976-78 ) with Wrigglesworth (William 1947-48 ) the longest individual surname but Andruszewski (Manny 1974-80) and Danny Higginbotham should get honorary mentions. Two countries have been named after Saints’ players, Ireland (Sidney 1911-15) and Jordan (Joe 1984-87, Frank 1908-10) and, so far one planet, Moon (Charles 1909-10).

 

Could another country be arriving soon? – a Holland perhaps!

 

One county is represented – Ollie Lancashire (Ollie 2008- ) and also one famous film studio Hollywood (Denis 1962-72), a film star Van Damme (Jelle 2004-05) and a famous London Street Carnaby (Tom 1938-39).

 

Saints’ players have always been well connected. We have had an Earl(s) (Mick 1973-75) a couple of Kings (Bill 1934-39 and Ernest 1925-27), a Bishop (Alfred 1926-27), a Knight (Bill 1911-13), two Monks (Gary 1998 - 2003 and Frank 1910-12), a Dean (Norman 1963-66) and even a Prince (Percy 1908-20).

 

From the animal kingdom we employed a Hare (Tommy 1965-66) a Bullock (James 1924-28 ) and a Venison (Barry 1995-97), while feathered players include Fred Bird (1907-08 ), Phil Kite (1984-86) and of course, Ted Drake (1931-34). Finally we must not forget Ernest Pike (1902-03) or Glenn ****erill (1985-94), nor Crabbe (Buster 1974-76 and perhaps now before I get completely carried away I will knock this post on the head with a Mallett (Joe 1946-53).

 

Anyone remember any other interesting surnames?

 

He's a right back... :cool:

[Petersfield Saint]

On a not dissimilar theme,I was recently going through the names of footballers from my childhood with my two young avid Saints fans.

 

As an observation many changes in christian name over the last 40 years on the teamsheets and collected football cards.

 

Teams always comprised a couple of 'Bobby's', Bob, or even a Rob, but not Robbie or Roberto .

 

Ali was an abbreviation of Alistair not a distant cousin of George Weah.

 

Stan,Stanley,Norman,often featured on the opponent's team sheet.When was the last 'Albert' seen ?(cue obvious double entendres).

 

Several Ron's,although only one as far as I was concerned in the 1960's.

 

Not a Dean,Wayne or Kyle to be seen anywhere.

 

Obviously just a reflection of social change but noticeable none the less.

 

Philippe Albert? :smt102

[KK the 2nd]

On a not dissimilar theme,I was recently going through the names of footballers from my childhood with my two young avid Saints fans.

 

As an observation many changes in christian name over the last 40 years on the teamsheets and collected football cards.

 

Teams always comprised a couple of 'Bobby's', Bob, or even a Rob, but not Robbie or Roberto .

 

Ali was an abbreviation of Alistair not a distant cousin of George Weah.

 

Stan,Stanley,Norman,often featured on the opponent's team sheet.When was the last 'Albert' seen ?(cue obvious double entendres).

 

Several Ron's,although only one as far as I was concerned in the 1960's.

 

Not a Dean,Wayne or Kyle to be seen anywhere.

 

Obviously just a reflection of social change but noticeable none the less.

 

I seem to recall that when a certain M Channon started for us he was known as Mike and not Mick?

[WestSaint]

Didn't Bill Shankly call John McGrath an animal - another one for the animal kingdom !!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Excellent post.

 

On a personal note, do you know how many Marshes have played for Saints over the years Duncan?

 

None in any first teams as far as I can remember

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

I remember Mark Whitlock being called Albert by the players, presumably to distinguish him from the other Marks we had in the same defence (Dennis & Wright).

 

I think it was a reference to Albert Tatlock of Coronation Street.

 

[VectisSaint]

While waiting for our next signing I started to contemplate some players from yesteryear!

 

 

It was while flicking through the Alphabet that I suddenly noticed how well Xmas is represented in the ranks of Southampton FC surnames, for not only do we have an Angell (James William 1906-07), but also a Saul (Frank Lander 1967-70), a Gabriel (James 1967-72) and - wait for it - even a Christmas (Edwin Cecil Russell 1911-12). All we need to do now is to sign a Jesus from a Spanish club and we would be well set up for our own club nativity play! No prizes which role Dennis Wise would get

 

and a famous London Street Carnaby (Tom 1938-39).

 

Just a couple of points.

 

First, to be pedantic, Saul has nothing to do with Christmas as far as I know. I'm not too hot on Christianity (being a Jedhi Warrior according to the last census), but I think Saul was an Old Testament King of the Israelites.

 

Secondly, we have at least one more famous London Street, namely BAKER. There are probably others, but the fictional home of Holmes and Watson (Sherlock and Dr John, not Nick and Dave) is at least as famous as Carnaby. There is a Peach Road in W10, but I would hardly claim that as famous.

[Badger]

Excellent post.

 

On a personal note, do you know how many Marshes have played for Saints over the years Duncan?

 

Souness tried to sign Mike Marsh.

[rpb]

Would McDougall count as a flower?

[Badger]

Would McDougall count as a flower?

 

No, he'd be a flour.

[Pancake]

None in any first teams as far as I can remember

 

Pah!

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

Pah!

 

Don't be so upset. It's unlikely that anyone with the surname Marsh will ever amount to anything. It seems they are all rather simple.

[Pancake]

Don't be so upset. It's unlikely that anyone with the surname Marsh will ever amount to anything. It seems they are all rather simple.

 

What do you mean? Jodie, Michelle, Kym, Rodney, Stan... oh.

[rpb]

No, he'd be a flour.

 

I never thought that I would end up as Badger's straight man!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Andruszewski (Manny) for the longest?

 

Unless we include Phillipson-Masters ? (Named after a magazine?)

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Don't be so upset. It's unlikely that anyone with the surname Marsh will ever amount to anything. It seems they are all rather simple.

 

As in Rodney? :grin::smt093

[Polaroid Saint]

Just a couple of points...

 

And the Moon is not a planet, FFS!

 

Although you are of course correct to point out it was named after a Saints player.

 

Otherwise, excellent post FF, raised a smile and got the grey matter working.

 

that is all, carry on.

[Prince Jazzbo]

Austin Hayes (RIP) Middlesex

[ladysaint]

How many players have we had with their first name and their surnames starting with the same letter i.e. KK = Kevin Keegan

[Kaiser Soze]

FF - Fabrice Fernades

[Teddy Nutkins]

How many players have we had with their first name and their surnames starting with the same letter i.e. KK = Kevin Keegan

 

Fabrice Fernandez.

[Teddy Nutkins]

Fabrice Fernandez.

 

Opps too slow

[Teddy Nutkins]

Mick Mills

[Dimond Geezer]

I’ve been trawling the memory banks, (it’s a quite day at work.)

 

Another London Street – Kevin Bond

A Village – John Burridge

A bird - Egil Ostenstadt

A Fruit – David Peach

A City – Peter Wells

A Shoe manufacturer – Colin Clark

A copse – Gerry Forrest

And the Wright brothers - Jermaine, Mark, & Richard

[Cricketphilly]

I’ve been trawling the memory banks, (it’s a quite day at work.)

 

Another London Street – Kevin Bond

A Village – John Burridge

A bird - Egil Ostenstadt

A Fruit – David Peach

A City – Peter Wells

A Shoe manufacturer – Colin Clark

A copse – Gerry Forrest

And the Wright brothers - Jermaine, Mark, & Richard

 

David Peach is a fruit? I never knew!

[thegaffer]

How many players have we had with their first name and their surnames starting with the same letter i.e. KK = Kevin Keegan

 

Gerry Gurr goalkeeper,Colin Clarke,

[derry]

While waiting for our next signing I started to contemplate some players from yesteryear!

 

 

Surnames of footballers are a lot different to the days when Barnsley always seemed to have an Awkwright and Newcastle a Milburn in their sides. Today’s flood of foreigners have certainly spiced up the team sheets on the back pages of programmes with Southampton being no exception. Flipping through the pages of the “Alphabet of the Saints” I noticed that Saints did not have a Smith – evidently the most common surname in England - on their books between George Smith leaving the club in 1949 and Paul Smith arriving in 2004. However since 1938 Saints have had no less than 7 players called Williams to make a first team experience and yet only 4 Jones (Ken, Ernie, Paul and Kenwynne).

Who would ever had thought during the 2006-07 season a Radio Solent commentator would ever be able to describe the beginning of a Saints attack thus – “and Pele slides a through ball for Best to run onto”. Was Pele ever his real name?

 

It was while flicking through the Alphabet that I suddenly noticed how well Xmas is represented in the ranks of Southampton FC surnames, for not only do we have an Angell (James William 1906-07), but also a Saul (Frank Lander 1967-70), a Gabriel (James 1967-72) and - wait for it - even a Christmas (Edwin Cecil Russell 1911-12). All we need to do now is to sign a Jesus from a Spanish club and we would be well set up for our own club nativity play! No prizes which role Dennis Wise would get

 

The shortest surname is three letters – we had two Frys (CB 1900-03 and Roger 1970-72) while who could forget Ali Dia (1996-97). We have also had three Lees (Bert 1900-06, 1911-15, Sammy 1989-90 and David 1991-93) and a couple of Days (Alfred 1937-38 and Eric (1946-57). I also should not forget Walter Cox (1894-96) or Harry Eke (1913-14).

 

Longest has to be Phillipson-Masters (Forbes 1976-78 ) with Wrigglesworth (William 1947-48 ) the longest individual surname but Andruszewski (Manny 1974-80) and Danny Higginbotham should get honorary mentions. Two countries have been named after Saints’ players, Ireland (Sidney 1911-15) and Jordan (Joe 1984-87, Frank 1908-10) and, so far one planet, Moon (Charles 1909-10).

 

Could another country be arriving soon? – a Holland perhaps!

 

One county is represented – Ollie Lancashire (Ollie 2008- ) and also one famous film studio Hollywood (Denis 1962-72), a film star Van Damme (Jelle 2004-05) and a famous London Street Carnaby (Tom 1938-39).

 

Saints’ players have always been well connected. We have had an Earl(s) (Mick 1973-75) a couple of Kings (Bill 1934-39 and Ernest 1925-27), a Bishop (Alfred 1926-27), a Knight (Bill 1911-13), two Monks (Gary 1998 - 2003 and Frank 1910-12), a Dean (Norman 1963-66) and even a Prince (Percy 1908-20).

 

From the animal kingdom we employed a Hare (Tommy 1965-66) a Bullock (James 1924-28 ) and a Venison (Barry 1995-97), while feathered players include Fred Bird (1907-08 ), Phil Kite (1984-86) and of course, Ted Drake (1931-34). Finally we must not forget Ernest Pike (1902-03) or Glenn ****erill (1985-94), nor Crabbe (Buster 1974-76 and perhaps now before I get completely carried away I will knock this post on the head with a Mallett (Joe 1946-53).

 

Anyone remember any other interesting surnames?

 

Are you waiting for the result of a ballot, haven't you got a strike to organise?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Are you waiting for the result of a ballot, haven't you got a strike to organise?

 

Derry - in the middle of a 2 week cooling off period! Don't book any flights with BA this autumn!

 

A couple of reserve players from the 80s could have been included

 

Gary Bull - animal

Steve Guppy - fish

[VectisSaint]

Fabrice Fernandez.

The question was "players", not crop circles

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Excellent post.

 

On a personal note, do you know how many Marshes have played for Saints over the years Duncan?

 

Just found a K Marsh who played one game in goal for Saints Res twice in 63-64. He let in 5 against Chelsea on his debut!! Any relation?

[Pancake]

Just found a K Marsh who played one game in goal for Saints Res twice in 63-64. He let in 5 against Chelsea on his debut!! Any relation?

 

Bloody hope not.

[Pilchards]

that's quality Fitz!

 

Talking of Fitz, We had one of those too.

[jawillwill]

David Peach is a fruit? I never knew!

 

More to the point, Egil Ostenstadt is a bird?! Always knew there was something odd about him.

[ericofarabia]

How about players who's Surname could be a Christian name .... such as Charlie George, Eric Martin, Brian O'Neil and more up to date Wayne Thomas?

 

Or players who's name starts and ens with the same letter .. eg Adam Lallana?

 

Re the nativity play lets not forget Le God :prayer:

 

Nice fred, whiles away the time whilst we await our new signings

[derry]

Derry - in the middle of a 2 week cooling off period! Don't book any flights with BA this autumn!

 

A couple of reserve players from the 80s could have been included

 

Gary Bull - animal

Steve Guppy - fish

 

Black, White, Page, Flood, Hill Walker, Clifton Bridge,

[John B]

How about players who's Surname could be a Christian name .... such as Charlie George, Eric Martin, Brian O'Neil and more up to date Wayne Thomas?

 

 

 

Bob Charles the Goalkeeper in the 1950s early 60s replaced by Tony Godfrey

 

Jimmy Gabriel

[John B]

Gerry Gurr goalkeeper,Colin Clarke,

 

Goal keeper Ron Reynolds

 

Left Back Tommy Traynor

[Ex Ringwood Saint]

How about players who's Surname could be a Christian name .... such as Charlie George, Eric Martin, Brian O'Neil and more up to date Wayne Thomas?

 

Or players who's name starts and ens with the same letter .. eg Adam Lallana?

 

Re the nativity play lets not forget Le God :prayer:

 

Nice fred, whiles away the time whilst we await our new signings

 

Mark Dennis of course....Couple of other names that come back to me are Funnell and Pucket ! Not quite sure why but hey ho...

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Black, White, Page, Flood, Hill Walker, Clifton Bridge,

 

We had a North and a West during the 50s playing for the Reserves