lordswoodsaints Posted 18 August, 2009 Share Posted 18 August, 2009 ...and Like the players I wish I never bothered. That had to be one of the most tactically inept displays I have ever seen. Either pardew is trying to prove a point to the owners to try and force them to spend a few more quid or he really is useless. We were outplayed,out fought and bullied.we couldn't deal with the numerous balls into our box and looked weak. On a plus point we had the best warmed up subs I have ever seen,they spent the whole game and halftime warming up. It was almost if pardew was happy to defend a 1-0 loss,not even one tactical tweak even when it was obvious that we were struggling. Kelvin - I bet he wishes he signed for the hammers. James - not one pass to another yellow shirt,looked sluggish. Thomas - big hoof all game,didn't look comfortable. Lancashire - not good enough,looked lost. Harding - not his best game Lallana - easily beaten,too many runs across the pitch that amounted to nothing. Morgan - a few glimpses but not convincing. Wotton - made a couple of early mistakes and didn't want the ball after that. Patterson - spent too much time out of the game,looked frustrated. Lambert - lazy display,not commanding at all for a big bloke. I won't judge the new lad or the subs as it wouldn't be fair. This is a a game we should be looking to win but we simply aren't good enough,pardew already looks a beaten man,he seems lost and like he doesn't know what to do to turn it around during the match.....these are things I don't want to be saying so early on in the season but the lack of fight in the players and lack of tactics needs to be addressed. Even with 2 more signings I don't think we will be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Agree. £22 for a ticket, plus travel etc. Never worth it for that Lambert, couldnt hold up a bloody bank Paterson, played out of position, but still stank Lallana, pass it FFS. Your slow, get over it. Wotton- F-off Lancashire- If im short for the local at the weekend, ill give u a buzz James- turn inside again, go on, they wont guess Thomas- Gave me kneck ache Davis- Seemed to be the most passed to player, and even then thought it safest to kick it out, so did i looking at the options. Pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 ...and Like the players I wish I never bothered. That had to be one of the most tactically inept displays I have ever seen. Either pardew is trying to prove a point to the owners to try and force them to spend a few more quid or he really is useless. We were outplayed,out fought and bullied.we couldn't deal with the numerous balls into our box and looked weak. On a plus point we had the best warmed up subs I have ever seen,they spent the whole game and halftime warming up. It was almost if pardew was happy to defend a 1-0 loss,not even one tactical tweak even when it was obvious that we were struggling. Kelvin - I bet he wishes he signed for the hammers. It's probably the least of our problems but am I the only one to wonder why he can't be arsed to clap the fans when his name is being sung. Noticed it at Bournemouth when he had a great reception and it seems to have gone on from there. Doesn't take much and I hope he doesn't think he's Mr big ******** now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 why should he clap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 why should he clap? Why do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 ...and Like the players I wish I never bothered. That had to be one of the most tactically inept displays I have ever seen. Either pardew is trying to prove a point to the owners to try and force them to spend a few more quid or he really is useless. We were outplayed,out fought and bullied.we couldn't deal with the numerous balls into our box and looked weak. On a plus point we had the best warmed up subs I have ever seen,they spent the whole game and halftime warming up. It was almost if pardew was happy to defend a 1-0 loss,not even one tactical tweak even when it was obvious that we were struggling. Kelvin - I bet he wishes he signed for the hammers. James - not one pass to another yellow shirt,looked sluggish. Thomas - big hoof all game,didn't look comfortable. Lancashire - not good enough,looked lost. Harding - not his best game Lallana - easily beaten,too many runs across the pitch that amounted to nothing. Morgan - a few glimpses but not convincing. Wotton - made a couple of early mistakes and didn't want the ball after that. Patterson - spent too much time out of the game,looked frustrated. Lambert - lazy display,not commanding at all for a big bloke. I won't judge the new lad or the subs as it wouldn't be fair. This is a a game we should be looking to win but we simply aren't good enough,pardew already looks a beaten man,he seems lost and like he doesn't know what to do to turn it around during the match.....these are things I don't want to be saying so early on in the season but the lack of fight in the players and lack of tactics needs to be addressed. Even with 2 more signings I don't think we will be good enough. Be careful i got thoroughly slagged off for comments like that !!!!!!! As for Lallana, he is not a wide man, not to mention a wide man on his wrong foot, he sucks in too much, we need width in this division, we need fish out wide. Just shoot Wotton FFS, or something, bring back Gillett or just replace him, terrrible player, as for lancashire, don't get me started, aweful aweful player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The match report says we were 'bullied' .. was it a physcial game ? Or was it being outplayed by the opposition that 'bullied' us ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The match report says we were 'bullied' .. was it a physcial game ? Or was it being outplayed by the opposition that 'bullied' us ? The latter I'm afraid. They looked better all over the pitch sadly. We created nothing and possibly one of the poorest displays I've seen from us (and there's been a fair few contenders) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFKA South Woodford Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 ...and Like the players I wish I never bothered. That had to be one of the most tactically inept displays I have ever seen. Either pardew is trying to prove a point to the owners to try and force them to spend a few more quid or he really is useless. We were outplayed,out fought and bullied.we couldn't deal with the numerous balls into our box and looked weak. On a plus point we had the best warmed up subs I have ever seen,they spent the whole game and halftime warming up. It was almost if pardew was happy to defend a 1-0 loss,not even one tactical tweak even when it was obvious that we were struggling. This is a a game we should be looking to win but we simply aren't good enough,pardew already looks a beaten man,he seems lost and like he doesn't know what to do to turn it around during the match.....these are things I don't want to be saying so early on in the season but the lack of fight in the players and lack of tactics needs to be addressed. Even with 2 more signings I don't think we will be good enough. Totaly agree with that Lordswood, Pardew must have been trying to prove a point. He didn't seem even to try to talk to the players and give them directions more than a couple of times, looked happy to just stand there and watch. Either that or he was too frightened or upset to say anything to them. That was an absolutely shocking display and one that disgusted every fan I spoke to on the way home from the match, the team were absolute crap with only Kelvin coming out with any credit, so I cannot understand how Pardew is saying that there were some good performances out there last night. That was a totally inept and unacceptable display, which the management need to get to grips with and eradicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Agree. £22 for a ticket, plus travel etc. Never worth it for that Lambert, couldnt hold up a bloody bank Paterson, played out of position, but still stank Lallana, pass it FFS. Your slow, get over it. Wotton- F-off Lancashire- If im short for the local at the weekend, ill give u a buzz James- turn inside again, go on, they wont guess Thomas- Gave me kneck ache Davis- Seemed to be the most passed to player, and even then thought it safest to kick it out, so did i looking at the options. Pathetic Agree with everything except in bold. Felt sorry for him tonight, the amount of times I was saying he needed runners off him was mental. He tried holding it up best he could with 6 Swindon lads around him, and just the 1 Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 What about the ****s booing there own team only 15 minutes into the game. Next time, please don't bother coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inoffthepost Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 What about the ****s booing there own team only 15 minutes into the game. Next time, please don't bother coming Absolutely spot on. These so called 'supporters' shouldn't bother. AP has come in late. He's inherited a weak 'losing' squad. The best players have already been signed up elsewhere. FFS give the guy a break. We know we're nowhere near where we want to be but we have a club that, for the first time in 5 years can do something about the situation and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I spoke to a few Swindon fans at a service station after the game and they said they were shocked at how bad we were,they were expecting us to turn them over. Before the game lallana was ponpointed as the danger man by them,but after the game they couldn't undertstand why he is so highly rated and why he is wanted by the 'bigger' clubs. Says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I spoke to a few Swindon fans at a service station after the game and they said they were shocked at how bad we were,they were expecting us to turn them over. Before the game lallana was ponpointed as the danger man by them,but after the game they couldn't undertstand why he is so highly rated and why he is wanted by the 'bigger' clubs. Says it all really. I dunno why they were surprised. I watched Swindon a few times and Saints alot last season... they were always destined to get a result in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Quit possibly the worst saints team ever. The manager did not help much by playing 1 up front for most of the game with a striker at right midfield. He then made changes far too late in the game. We were totally outplayed by Swindon and but for Kelvin would have gone down by 4 or 5. They had pacy wide players who exploited us time and time again but we had Patterson playing in that role. They bossed the midfield despite us having 5 in there so i hope this new guy is good because i really cannot see 1 new player making much difference to this side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 August, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Absolutely spot on. These so called 'supporters' shouldn't bother. AP has come in late. He's inherited a weak 'losing' squad. The best players have already been signed up elsewhere. FFS give the guy a break. We know we're nowhere near where we want to be but we have a club that, for the first time in 5 years can do something about the situation and move forward. This is all well and good but pardew looked subdued from the outset,he was quiet,he was just a spectator,he didn't try and make the best of a bad situation,there was no coaching from the line and there was definately no tactics,plan b or anything. I don't agree with the booing during the game but I can understand it,we were rubbish and pardew looked lost and a beaten man from the off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 we need to stop the rot - if players can't turn it around mentally then we need to replace them. I'm not surprised we lost today given that Lancashire played at the back, I think he makes the whole team nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westburysaints Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The match report says we were 'bullied' .. was it a physcial game ? Or was it being outplayed by the opposition that 'bullied' us ? I think it was the second, being outplayed, it was far from a physical game because as soon as one of our players put a tackle in the ref got the cards out! And also because they bottled loads of challenges... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 pardew looked very ****ed off at the crowed when we were calling for a sub. I wouldnt be impressed if i were him. Yes we were total guff last night but most other supporter groups of our size would get behind the team for 90 mins. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 This is all well and good but pardew looked subdued from the outset,he was quiet,he was just a spectator,he didn't try and make the best of a bad situation,there was no coaching from the line and there was definately no tactics,plan b or anything. I don't agree with the booing during the game but I can understand it,we were rubbish and pardew looked lost and a beaten man from the off. I see ur point but there's no reason to start booing when ur team goes a goal down, its pathetic and embarrasing. It started literally 15 minutes into the game, ok maybe the system wasn't working but FFS give it a chance. Booing like that is hardly going to inspire the team is it?! I have to admit as the game wore on i thought pardew should have changed it around a lot earlier, couldn't believe it was still 451 after half time. This worries me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 What's wrong with everybody? Why bother to turn up if you're just going to stand and look miserable. For a following of what must have been around 3,000, we put in a disgraceful showing. On the field, we were poor. Defensively, we were disorganised. In attack, we were blunt. On Pardew, how he didn't notice early on that the 4-5-1 formation was going to be ineffective, I will never know. His reluctance to change cost us any chance we may have had of getting a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 This is all well and good but pardew looked subdued from the outset,he was quiet,he was just a spectator,he didn't try and make the best of a bad situation,there was no coaching from the line and there was definately no tactics,plan b or anything. I don't agree with the booing during the game but I can understand it,we were rubbish and pardew looked lost and a beaten man from the off. Agee. Pardews team selection was ****! It was obvious at half time it was not working so why didnt he change it? We should have been 5 0 down by the time the subs come ! What was the point of rasiak coming on with seconds to go? In my opinion we need 2 centrebacks 2 wingers another central midfielder and another striker because last night WE WERE FN ****!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The players there have just got used to losing, it is a habit the whole club has got used to. AP has lost more games than he has won in his recent career. Losers get used to losing and in a way expect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralph_wiggum Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I saved my abuse for wotton, lancashire and thomas until the end of the game. Might have been the wake up call they needed, their faces were a picture. The point about subs - It was apparant that they were needed and he left them way too long. I couldnt care less if he wasn't impressed, to be quite honest, tough! He is being paid to make these decisions, I am paying to voice my oppinion, DEAL WITH IT! Why could we all see it but he couldn't. Then Pardew has the cheek to stand there after the game and say there were some "good performances" and "we were on top" also stated we had "some good chances" WHEN??? I didn't see any? It must have been the 1 shot on target or the terrible effort that went out for a throw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Felt a bit sorry for Jacob Mellis, he really dont know what he let himself in for. A very poor game, other than Lamberts well hit free kick I dont think there were any other highlights. Why oh why will he not put Gillett, please just give the lad one game to prove he is what we need. I was really disappointed with AP last night he didnt seem to want to change the team at all until about thee 80 minutes, too little too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 What about the ****s booing there own team only 15 minutes into the game. Next time, please don't bother coming pardew looked very ****ed off at the crowed when we were calling for a sub. I wouldnt be impressed if i were him. Yes we were total guff last night but most other supporter groups of our size would get behind the team for 90 mins. Pathetic. What's wrong with everybody? Why bother to turn up if you're just going to stand and look miserable. For a following of what must have been around 3,000, we put in a disgraceful showing. On the field, we were poor. Defensively, we were disorganised. In attack, we were blunt. On Pardew, how he didn't notice early on that the 4-5-1 formation was going to be ineffective, I will never know. His reluctance to change cost us any chance we may have had of getting a point. I'll sit and clap shall i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashby Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I'll sit and clap shall i? No. But being positive and lifting the team when it is in difficulty is what the "twelfth man" is all about isn't it? I think a lot of Saints fans (for very good reasons) have become very negative about what happens on and off the field - the past four years have been very trying times. It is sad really and unlikely to help to reverse what seems an inevitable decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capel Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 It certainly is a concern if AP has started to become tactically inept. One thing to his credit, he is at least trying to get the right players in to strengthen the squad. He has already bought a proper left back, a proper right back, a proven League 1 goal scorer, an attacking midfielder, albeit on loan and hopefully an influencial central midfielder who can break up oppostion attacks and support Saints attacks. Also had Jaidi signed then part of the centre back problem would also have been addressed by now. I think we have to take a pause and remember that the new owners and Pardew have virtually had no time to prepare for this season. Liebherr bought a club with virtually no internal structure (football management staff, scouting network and a depleted and vastly demoralised squad). Pardew, in a short amount of time, not only has to rebuild a squad but get the new players to gel and turn a team that is used to losing into a team that will start believing in themselves and play more positively. I think some of the players need a right royal kick up the backside and to be brought in for extra training sessions and to work on their fitness. I'm not saying Pardew is not at fault for the disappointing start to the season, but there have been a lot more barriers to overcome than most of the other League 1 clubs who have not had the major disruption over the summer than Saints have had. Personally, I am prepared to give Pardew until the end of September to turn things around and continue to strengthen the squad. If not, then questions about Pardews future should be asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 What's wrong with everybody? Why bother to turn up if you're just going to stand and look miserable. For a following of what must have been around 3,000, we put in a disgraceful showing. On the field, we were poor. Defensively, we were disorganised. In attack, we were blunt. On Pardew, how he didn't notice early on that the 4-5-1 formation was going to be ineffective, I will never know. His reluctance to change cost us any chance we may have had of getting a point. Because "We" turn up expecting a far better performance than what we get .......How Any of Saints players can accept this weeks pay cheque after that beats me Something IS very very wrong ..... Alan Pardew is NOT happy at all .... that is painfully obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slymush Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The way I see it (and unfortunately I did see it) we have three major problems 1 - Our midfield passes to our defence 80% of the time they have the ball 2 - our defence is rubbish so they end up hoofing it 3 - once hoofed we either lose it or go through the same process Wayne Thomas and Lancashire are the worst defensive pairing I have honestly ever seen in a saints shirt... relegation battle starts on Saturday against a Brentford team that will be confident after beating Norwich and if we play anything like last night will clearly come and do us over... people still talking of the playoffs are laughable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 pardew looked very ****ed off at the crowed when we were calling for a sub. I wouldnt be impressed if i were him. Yes we were total guff last night but most other supporter groups of our size would get behind the team for 90 mins. Pathetic. I thought for 80% of the match the atmosphere from the stand behind the goal was shocking. Gutted I switched my ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Right, I was there last night too. We need a dominant centre back. Thomas can play alongside him but he's not the man we need to take charge of the back for. We are abysmal at any kind of cross, not helped I reckon by Davis who does not dominate the 6 yard box though I agree he's a great shot-stopper. We need a powerhouse in midfield and someone to organise it too. Maybe Hammond will help there. It's also essential that we have someone who can play wide-Swindon had width on both sides and ran us ragged. Up front, we must get someone with some pace. Lambert's a great target man and can obviously score goals but he needs someone who can play off him properly. James, Morgan, Mellis, Paterson and Lallana can't all play at the same time. They're all relatively inexperienced kids and are easily pushed aside. One or a maximum two youngsters at a time has always been the Saints way while they learn their trade. As last year showed too many of them and you don't stand a chance. It may well be that some of them are not going to make it but we need to bring them through properly to find out. God knows what harm last season's policy of playing them week in week out has done as several on here have commented. Unfortunately for me I've already got my ticket for Stockport! Hopefully we'll be starting to show signs of improvement by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 PaTTERSON MUST NEVER PLAY RIGHT MIDFIELD AGAIN - PLEASE PLAY HIM IN THE ONLY ROLE HE CAN PLAY AND WHICH HE HAS BEEN PLAYING WELL - STRIKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Pardew can look annoyed all he wants, the fans were right. You can't be playing badly and be 1-0 down for 87 minutes and then decide it's time for a change. When the changes did come we bossed the game for the last 5 minutes, if only it had come 30 minutes earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 It certainly is a concern if AP has started to become tactically inept. One thing to his credit, he is at least trying to get the right players in to strengthen the squad. He has already bought a proper left back, a proper right back, a proven League 1 goal scorer, an attacking midfielder, albeit on loan and hopefully an influencial central midfielder who can break up oppostion attacks and support Saints attacks. Also had Jaidi signed then part of the centre back problem would also have been addressed by now. I think we have to take a pause and remember that the new owners and Pardew have virtually had no time to prepare for this season. Liebherr bought a club with virtually no internal structure (football management staff, scouting network and a depleted and vastly demoralised squad). Pardew, in a short amount of time, not only has to rebuild a squad but get the new players to gel and turn a team that is used to losing into a team that will start believing in themselves and play more positively. I think some of the players need a right royal kick up the backside and to be brought in for extra training sessions and to work on their fitness. I'm not saying Pardew is not at fault for the disappointing start to the season, but there have been a lot more barriers to overcome than most of the other League 1 clubs who have not had the major disruption over the summer than Saints have had. Personally, I am prepared to give Pardew until the end of September to turn things around and continue to strengthen the squad. If not, then questions about Pardews future should be asked. Absolutely right. AP and ML took us oiver at a time when we were at our lowest and when staff etc at the club had been cut right back to the bare minimum. The rebuilding process will be slow and thoughtful. I for one would not be happy to see 11 new faces sign today unless they were all very good. Unfortunately some people just want signings, regardless of how good they are. I have been saying on here since seeing Bournemouth play last season, we are going to find most games tough and there is very little difference in quality from the CCC down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I thought for 80% of the match the atmosphere from the stand behind the goal was shocking. Gutted I switched my ticket That's being generous tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 How anyone can have a go at the fans is beyond me. The team put in a really feeble effort, and AP did nothing at all to change a dreadful situation. He may have had very good reasons for doing so(like having a good look at the system he was using), but when your team is being played off the park by a mid table L1 team, calling for one of your TWO Polish internationals to get out on the park is hardly a crime, is it?? Also, the fans stayed with the team pretty well considering the ineptitude of the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 That's being generous tbh. I thought about saying worse but was waiting for I was singing etc. Was deffinetly the worst away game atmosphere I've ever experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 ...and Like the players I wish I never bothered. That had to be one of the most tactically inept displays I have ever seen. Either pardew is trying to prove a point to the owners to try and force them to spend a few more quid or he really is useless. We were outplayed,out fought and bullied.we couldn't deal with the numerous balls into our box and looked weak. On a plus point we had the best warmed up subs I have ever seen,they spent the whole game and halftime warming up. It was almost if pardew was happy to defend a 1-0 loss,not even one tactical tweak even when it was obvious that we were struggling. Kelvin - I bet he wishes he signed for the hammers. James - not one pass to another yellow shirt,looked sluggish. Thomas - big hoof all game,didn't look comfortable. Lancashire - not good enough,looked lost. Harding - not his best game Lallana - easily beaten,too many runs across the pitch that amounted to nothing. Morgan - a few glimpses but not convincing. Wotton - made a couple of early mistakes and didn't want the ball after that. Patterson - spent too much time out of the game,looked frustrated. Lambert - lazy display,not commanding at all for a big bloke. I won't judge the new lad or the subs as it wouldn't be fair. This is a a game we should be looking to win but we simply aren't good enough,pardew already looks a beaten man,he seems lost and like he doesn't know what to do to turn it around during the match.....these are things I don't want to be saying so early on in the season but the lack of fight in the players and lack of tactics needs to be addressed. Even with 2 more signings I don't think we will be good enough. They were the only one's that looked good. everything else is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proevosaints Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Last night was the most disappointed id felt after a saints game for a long time. Wotton is awful. God awful. The only reason he is on is because he constantly runs to pardew for little chats. All through the game his passes went missing, he got nowhere near tackles and at corners he'd duck then blame the bloke behind him. Thomas was like jekkyl and hyde, one minute cool controlled and authorative and then the next like bambi on ice. How lancashire made it as a pro is beyond me. Its one thing im noticing with out youth players is how tacticaly naive they are and how little basics they know. Everyone is taught and i do it at my club, dont turn inside, beat them down the wing. Man on calls to let someone know they have time rather than needlessy lumping it into the stands like ollie did! When a ball goes up in the air you attack the second ball and position yourself where you think your best placed to react, we as usual stand still and watch. Then pardews choice not to make a sub was laughable. I'll get behind the team as much as the next but that was last resort calling for a sub. And lo and behold it changed the game, theres a surprise. When those players get payed god knows how much a week and then i go to watch them forking out nearly a hundred quid and they then turn around and put in a performance without any creativity or urgency untill the last 5, i will boo them all day long because they've let me down bigtime. If i dont perform at work, i'd get put on report and pretty quickly booted out, its about time some of them suffered that hardship. Then on the journey home, stuck in traffic the police vans comes down sirens blazing with two minibuses behind it. The first one im sure had Nick Illingsworth in the front and the second was full of kids leaning out the windows laughing and swearing and shouting ******s! That was the final straw! Be a long time again before i go away and support the lazy ****ers! If they start to put the effort in then so shall i! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 ...and Like the players I wish I never bothered. That had to be one of the most tactically inept displays I have ever seen. Either pardew is trying to prove a point to the owners to try and force them to spend a few more quid or he really is useless. We were outplayed,out fought and bullied.we couldn't deal with the numerous balls into our box and looked weak. On a plus point we had the best warmed up subs I have ever seen,they spent the whole game and halftime warming up. It was almost if pardew was happy to defend a 1-0 loss,not even one tactical tweak even when it was obvious that we were struggling. Kelvin - I bet he wishes he signed for the hammers. It's probably the least of our problems but am I the only one to wonder why he can't be arsed to clap the fans when his name is being sung. Noticed it at Bournemouth when he had a great reception and it seems to have gone on from there. Doesn't take much and I hope he doesn't think he's Mr big ******** now I saw him clap ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Perhaps we can get the tannoy announcer to play 'Substitute' by the Who whenever we feel sus are needed and Pardew might take the hint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 pardew looked very ****ed off at the crowed when we were calling for a sub. I wonder if Pardew is the sort of chap who would 'cut off nose to spite face'? In other words, could he have delayed sending on the subs as a way of telling the supporters: "I'll make the decisions around here, not you". I little far fetched with my analysis there no doubt but if he's got a 'bloody minded' gene....who knows....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 pardew looked very ****ed off at the crowed when we were calling for a sub. I wouldnt be impressed if i were him. Yes we were total guff last night but most other supporter groups of our size would get behind the team for 90 mins. Pathetic. Then again, since the formation of the Premier League, Saints have lost more games than any other club that has ever been in the football league through this time. So maybe we are all just a bit f*cked off that we always lose, and maybe one day it would be nice, just for a change, to see a side win a bit more often. I am 17, and can only remember 2 seasons where we finished in the top half. Disgrace. This club is an embarrassment and it makes me wish I was born somewhere else, so I could support a better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Perhaps we can get the tannoy announcer to play 'Substitute' by the Who whenever we feel sus are needed and Pardew might take the hint. Bowie's 'Changes' wouldn't have gone amiss at half time yesterday either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Why do you think? Quite a few players don't clap when their name is sung. In recent years Skacel is the only one who I can remember clapping everytime his name was sung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 One of the better moments whas towards the end, when the entire away end started doing the "sub" gesture with both hands. LMFAO - mainly because I have never seen that done spontaneously by some many people. Even better was the fact that Saga immediately stripped off and came on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelkel31 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 What about the ****s booing there own team only 15 minutes into the game. Next time, please don't bother coming Absolutely spot on. These so called 'supporters' shouldn't bother. AP has come in late. He's inherited a weak 'losing' squad. The best players have already been signed up elsewhere. FFS give the guy a break. We know we're nowhere near where we want to be but we have a club that, for the first time in 5 years can do something about the situation and move forward. i paid my money, spent the time to go there! when i see a player 15 yrds in the opponents half turn round, pass the ball backwards followed to 2 further back passes back to the keeper(which was over hit and wide so that KD could only spoon it into touch), none of which was under pressure if want to boo i will, and when i hear you guys say that ill also tell you to shut the **** up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 pardew looked very ****ed off at the crowed when we were calling for a sub. I wouldnt be impressed if i were him. Yes we were total guff last night but most other supporter groups of our size would get behind the team for 90 mins. Pathetic. stfu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 i paid my money, spent the time to go there! when i see a player 15 yrds in the opponents half turn round, pass the ball backwards followed to 2 further back passes back to the keeper(which was over hit and wide so that KD could only spoon it into touch), none of which was under pressure if want to boo i will, and when i hear you guys say that ill also tell you to shut the **** up! Exactly!!! I'm with you there kelkel31, although it is a shame to see the fan base still divided, I would indeed tell them to shove a sock in it. We have been waiting too long, and to be served more sh*t after years of anguish and pain is unacceptable. WHO CARES IF IT IS A NEW REGIME. the players are still mostly the same. they were signed to be good enough for the Championship. and they are currently proving themselves to be some of the worst in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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