Saint Keith Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8393463.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 We all know what to do now if we are ever do something and get caught... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 To be honest he would probably be safer in prison, he will get the treatment that the vile scumbag deserves on a daily basis let's hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 To be honest he would probably be safer in prison, he will get the treatment that the vile scumbag deserves on a daily basis let's hope. Yes, let's hope there are loads of revenge attacks. That would be great. I long to live in a community like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Yes, let's hope there are loads of revenge attacks. That would be great. I long to live in a community like that. Social justice my friend............NOTHING wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Pretty unbelievable that he only got sentenced to two and a half years in the first place imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 Social justice my friend............NOTHING wrong with it. you, my friend, are a naive, ill-informed scroat of an excuse of a imitation of a man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 you, my friend, are a naive, ill-informed scroat of an excuse of a imitation of a man What a surprise. Atticu*t Finch sides with the paedos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 you, my friend, are a naive, ill-informed scroat of an excuse of a imitation of a man I made that 6 infractions But I'll bite..... Why? Eveything we do has a consequence. If the courts won't deal with scum in the way that society demands, then social justice comes into play.(And even when they hand out the harshest sentances, social justice will ensure it is not a smooth ride) The subject is immotive, but the rules are the same for far less trival things. Still intrigued as to why my view makes me an "Ill informed scroat" and an excuse of an imitation of a man". One can only hope a crime such as this isn't bestowed on your family................ Or would that be ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 3 December, 2009 Share Posted 3 December, 2009 "Social justice" = "rabid, ill-informed, thugs"? Maybe not always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Leaving aside the tired old vigilante argument how the hell do you prove something like this 'beyond a reasonable doubt' decades after the alleged crime took place ? I'm assuming there's no physical evidence available anymore and if a independent witness exists then why wasn't a prosecution brought at the time ? Short of a confession being extracted does it all boil down to 'he said /she said' - which seems a rather dubious basis to secure any conviction however odious the allegation . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Let's hope someone offers him a wafer-thin mint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 I made that 6 infractions But I'll bite..... Why? Eveything we do has a consequence. If the courts won't deal with scum in the way that society demands, then social justice comes into play.(And even when they hand out the harshest sentances, social justice will ensure it is not a smooth ride) The subject is immotive, but the rules are the same for far less trival things. Still intrigued as to why my view makes me an "Ill informed scroat" and an excuse of an imitation of a man". One can only hope a crime such as this isn't bestowed on your family................ Or would that be ............... you should read 'the grapes of wrath' or, rather, you should learn to read. and then read 'the grapes of wrath'. or, rather, you should learn to recognise familiar letters and words, learn to write them and your own name, learn the alphabet off by heart, start to write short sentences, build to longer sentences, read short books, pushing yourself hearder each time, then read more complicated books, then read the grapes of wrath. social justice? burnley riots? are you mental? tell me one time where so called 'social justice' has been the right answer to anything. its like those moronic, sun-reading thugs that celebrate when a criminial is beaten up in prison by another criminal. i bet you're one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 It's because most people seem to have no understanding of anything regarding justice. Punishment is an outmoded and flawed concept that does nothing. Prevention, deterrent, is the only worthwhile function of punishment, and in a large majority of cases it fails in this regard. Too many people are sanctimonious, ignorant, arrogant, naive, about the real reasons for crime and so on. By and large, criminals offend for a reason that can be changed, and others with many of the more abhorrent crimes are mentally ill, and should be treated much more than punished. I do agree with locking people up to ensure the safety of others, but beyond that, it is a pointless exercise that costs the taxpayer far too much money for the 'service' it provides (be that jail warden women who f*ck the inmates, drug-dealing inside or whatever else). Clearly, something needs to happen to offenders, and consequence is an appropriate word - but not for the sake of punishment. If nothing is learned from a consequence, then it is a void and empty thing. While any parent would be disgusted by the alleged crimes of this man, any parent would also undertand the real nature of consequences, rather than the trite, vague point you make of them. As for this: "If the courts won't deal with scum in the way that society demands, then social justice comes into play" I have to say that the concept is flawed. The courts were set up to provide a sensible, fair framework for law and justice to be meted out as appropriately and fairly as possible, in theory. They are not perfect. Yet in this country, the man on the street does not himself make laws, and with good reason. Too many men on our streets are idiots, whether due to lack of education or whatever else. We are governed by people who supposedly know how to do the job for the best interests of the nation as a whole, rather than the subjective whims and selfish agendas of the individual. We have a police force and the judiciary for exactly these reasons as well. Specialists who are best placed to remain objective in cases such as these. Now, I am the first to say that there are failings in these systems, in all of these organisations - but they are a better, safer alternative for all of us than to be governed by the witch-hunting, reactionary peasant mentality of old. The system was created and refined by men better than you or I, St Keith, with good intent. I'm not always in agreement with the status quo, with the way the country, the economy, the ruling order is set up - but I know for sure that mob rule and 'social justice' would not be a way forwards; only a way backwards onto a dark slippery slope. Society as a whole is only able to determine the wider view of 'acceptable' social behaviour, and all the evidence suggests that organised specialist bodies need to act as a lens through which to focus that. Half the time they get it wrong, but then so do the public at large - then the more slow amongst us simply accept this as gospel. Consider the stance on drugs in this country - most of us unquestioningly accept smoking, and yet pillory other drugs - simple because they are illegal. This is usually entirely uninformed, based on nothing but stigma and misinformation. Alcohol and tobacco are both highly damaging drugs, physically, and often socially (money, behaviour etc). The damage done to the streets and shop-fronts etc, the crime committed by drunk people - is vast. The cost every weekend, obscene. Yet we accept this for some reason, because it is 'socially ok'. The vast majority of Ecstacy users have far a less negative impact on those around them, or the NHS in the longer term - but fuddy-duddy society, conservative minded society, sticks its fingers in its ears and ignores the facts. Often, we've got it vaguely right. Tobacco and alcohol haven't led to the downfall of society, and therefore it can't be so bad - but it doesn't make much sense either. Opiates were legal for centuries across much of the world, also here. No problemo, really - until some arbritrary high-horse decision simply informs us it is 'wrong'. Even looking across this board - there is clear evidence that living in a true democracy would be a bloody nightmare. We vote people in to represent us, and for all their failings, they are meant to do what is best for us, not what we want. So it should remain, because most of us want stupid things for stupid reasons, things that would shake the foundations of what we are at the same time proud of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 It was a staggeringly stupid comment. If one parent decides somebody who speeds in a residential area deserves to die for endangering their kids, that's justice is it? People disagree on just about everything. Who's going to decide the correct level of punishment? Would you like some dim, reactionary idiot to decide suitable punishments for any misdemeanours you've committed? What you're preaching is a step towards anarchy and mob rule. Think it through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 What you're preaching is a step towards anarchy and mob rule. Think it through. Rational thought is not a quality often associated with your typical 'social justice' enthusiast . I must confess however that I did once see the appeal of vigilantism myself - but then I had to grow up and put childish things behind me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 What a surprise. Atticu*t Finch sides with the paedos Could you point that bit out to me please? I must have missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 What a surprise. Atticu*t Finch sides with the paedos shut up you t*sspot. I am sick to death of you, tbh. You are always on here postiong stupid, irrelevent sh*t, insulting other people, though you literally cannot take it when people isult you back, and you just turn to childish name-calling why dont you try and post something serious, something relevent, and something half-thought out for a change, instead of not even remotely thought-out. you might think you are impressing people on here. but you aren't. here's some news for you: no one give s a flying f*ck, least of all me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 4 December, 2009 Share Posted 4 December, 2009 Are you having a fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Are you having a fit? who? me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 shut up you t*sspot. I am sick to death of you, tbh. You are always on here postiong stupid, irrelevent sh*t, insulting other people, though you literally cannot take it when people isult you back, and you just turn to childish name-calling why dont you try and post something serious, something relevent, and something half-thought out for a change, instead of not even remotely thought-out. you might think you are impressing people on here. but you aren't. here's some news for you: no one give s a flying f*ck, least of all me. I'm going to use this quote in every post I make from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 I'm going to use this quote in every post I make from now on. good for you. i couldnt give a f*ck about that either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 good for you. i couldnt give a f*ck about that either shut up you t*sspot. I am sick to death of you, tbh. You are always on here postiong stupid, irrelevent sh*t, insulting other people, though you literally cannot take it when people isult you back, and you just turn to childish name-calling why dont you try and post something serious, something relevent, and something half-thought out for a change, instead of not even remotely thought-out. you might think you are impressing people on here. but you aren't. here's some news for you: no one give s a flying f*ck, least of all me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 :smt055 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Come on kiddies, calm down. Perhaps you could insult each other via PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff leopard Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Social justice my friend............NOTHING wrong with it. tell that to the paediatrician who had her house vandalised after the News of the World names and shamed the paedophiles a few years back. social justice = mob rule = end of society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 tell that to the paediatrician who had her house vandalised after the News of the World names and shamed the paedophiles a few years back. social justice = mob rule = end of society That doesn't make sense. They wouldn't have posted her name, so why attack her. Unless they did a list of paediatricians in the NotW and people got horribly confused. But I could be wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red&White Posted 5 December, 2009 Share Posted 5 December, 2009 Come on kiddies, calm down. Perhaps you could insult each other via PMs. Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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