SaintRichmond Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 What happens IF Saints sell more tickets than seats available (Some sections of the ground are NOT being opened, including where mt ST is) Can't quite understand the logic:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 What happens IF Saints sell more tickets than seats available then that would certainly be Rupert Lowe's fault.;) They won't sell more tickets than places available, it's called a system. If there's more demand than projected available seats well then I guess they'll make more places available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 What happens IF Saints sell more tickets than seats available (Some sections of the ground are NOT being opened, including where mt ST is) Can't quite understand the logic:D Nor can I, but it's not my decision. The club don't think that we'll get a very big crowd, around 12k to 14k, so they have decide not to open the Kingsland at this stage. I asked a few STs who sit near me on Saturday whether they would go if they could not get their regular seat. It's not a very big sample but 4 had already reluctantly bought tickets for the Itchen and 7 said that they would only go if they could have their 'own' seat. I believe that we could get a similar crowd to last Saturday but not if we close half the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Nor can I, but it's not my decision. The club don't think that we'll get a very big crowd, around 12k to 14k, so they have decide not to open the Kingsland at this stage. I asked a few STs who sit near me on Saturday whether they would go if they could not get their regular seat. It's not a very big sample but 4 had already reluctantly bought tickets for the Itchen and 7 said that they would only go if they could have their 'own' seat. I believe that we could get a similar crowd to last Saturday but not if we close half the ground. I tend to agree. IMHO, not very POSITIVE thinking The FA Cup still retains some magic, and under normal circumstances, I would expect circa 18000 I've had to relocate to the Chapel, but I'm NOT happy at having to do so, and I know for a fact that six of the Supporters who are fellow ST holders in the Kingsland are VERY annoyed. Perhaps someone should explain the difference in Pulling Power between the JPT and the FA Cup ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Perhaps someone should explain the difference in Pulling Power between the JPT and the FA Cup ? Well, the JPT is on a Tuesday evening just before Christmas when everybody is working frantically up to the deadline, whereas the Cup is on a quiet Saturday in that dead period between Christmas and the return to work. No, I don't understand it either. When we were drawn at home I was quite excited. Now it's almost an away game for half the supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Well, the JPT is on a Tuesday evening just before Christmas when everybody is working frantically up to the deadline, whereas the Cup is on a quiet Saturday in that dead period between Christmas and the return to work. No, I don't understand it either. When we were drawn at home I was quite excited. Now it's almost an away game for half the supporters. No it isn't. Stop being such a drama queen. You paid for your season ticket for the home league matches, with NO GUARANTEE of having that seat for cup matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 What happens IF Saints sell more tickets than seats available (Some sections of the ground are NOT being opened, including where mt ST is) Can't quite understand the logic:D And in answer to the OP - they will open more sections. Nothing complicated about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 No it isn't. Stop being such a drama queen. You paid for your season ticket for the home league matches, with NO GUARANTEE of having that seat for cup matches. I know that, it just seems to be a poor commercial decision to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I know that, it just seems to be a poor commercial decision to me. But if your seat had been available how would you have viewed it then?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I know that, it just seems to be a poor commercial decision to me. Makes perfect sense. Of course, I don't think the club (or most of us) banked on the majority of kingsland sitters being so childish about matters like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Makes perfect sense. Of course, I don't think the club (or most of us) banked on the majority of kingsland sitters being so childish about matters like this. Most of then are older than me! Never insult your most loyal customers [-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Most of then are older than me! Never insult your most loyal customers [-X It's no insult to say a duck is a duck. Or however the saying goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 It's no insult to say a duck is a duck. Or however the saying goes. It all sounds very like Ena Sharples,Martha Longhurst and Minnie Caldwell moaning about having to move to the Lounge whilst the Snug at the Rovers was being redecorated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 It all sounds very like Ena Sharples,Martha Longhurst and Minnie Caldwell moaning about having to move to the Lounge whilst the Snug at the Rovers was being redecorated Exactly! And where are they now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Exactly! And where are they now? Dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Proverbs heaven, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 What happens IF Saints sell more tickets than seats available (Some sections of the ground are NOT being opened, including where mt ST is) Can't quite understand the logic:D Is this a joke thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 FFS why can't people just move to another part of the stadium for one game ! I asked for a seat in the Itchen directly opposite where I normally sit in the Kingsland and was accommodated perfectly (and very politely!) ! The players won't react differently because we have changed seats so why not just live with it ? Personally I think it's a chance to see other parts of the ground and get a slightly different perspective of the match and really is no big deal ! I am surprised to hear that some may boycott the game for this reason but I suppose it takes all kinds to support a football team ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Is this a joke thread? No it's an excuse for a senseless rant by a person deprived of "his" seat for the FA Cup game.Old people don't like change so they think the club should pander to their every whim whether it makes economic sense or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2009 And in answer to the OP - they will open more sections. Nothing complicated about it. OK, which will mean that someone else will end up in MY ST seat, whilst I will be in another part of the ground that I have been forced to buy a "replacement" seat in ST Holder's seats SHOULD be available for Cup matches:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I had to sit in Kingsland North for the last JPT. It was a far cry from my ST seat, which is loud and vocal where I stand in Block 42, but did I complain endlessly? No. I watched us beat Charlton 2-1, and I was bloody happy we done them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 OK, which will mean that someone else will end up in MY ST seat, whilst I will be in another part of the ground that I have been forced to buy a "replacement" seat in ST Holder's seats SHOULD be available for Cup matches:D Don't be ridiculous. As i've said before, you pay for the right to sit in the same seat for every home league match. They have no obligation to provide you with your seat for cup matches, but where they can i'm sure they will. This makes sense financially. If we get 18,000 they can still fit inside the other three stands, and it won't be costing us on stewarding and catering staff for the Kingsland. No, we're not cash strapped anymore - but I personally am not in financial trouble either, and I still save money wherever I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 OK, which will mean that someone else will end up in MY ST seat, whilst I will be in another part of the ground that I have been forced to buy a "replacement" seat in ST Holder's seats SHOULD be available for Cup matches:D You could always wait on a bit before buying your ticket to see if your habitual seat becomes available. I don't think there are pricing penalties before matchday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2009 (edited) No it's an excuse for a senseless rant by a person deprived of "his" seat for the FA Cup game.Old people don't like change so they think the club should pander to their every whim whether it makes economic sense or not. Really WC, what are you on ? Think again. Yes. I resent being "deprived" of "my" seat for the FA Cup game I would not have got it free though, I would still have had to pay for it, and rightly so The Kingsland is nearly always Full, so WHY are they closing parts of it ?? "Old people don't like change" ???? What the hell is that supposed to mean??? "Pandering to our every whim" ???? Why is it wrong to expect to be able to sit in the SAME ST seat as per normal Where exactly is YOUR seat then ??. I assume it's in the Northam, so you do not have to move ?? Senseless rant ??? I don't think it was a rant, just my opinion Lighten up and have a good Xmas WC ....... warm the water up if your hands are getting cold:D Edited 14 December, 2009 by SaintRichmond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Don't be ridiculous. As i've said before, you pay for the right to sit in the same seat for every home league match. They have no obligation to provide you with your seat for cup matches, but where they can i'm sure they will. This makes sense financially. If we get 18,000 they can still fit inside the other three stands, and it won't be costing us on stewarding and catering staff for the Kingsland. No, we're not cash strapped anymore - but I personally am not in financial trouble either, and I still save money wherever I can. Er, it's only two stands. It's a commercial decision. Will the money saved by closing the Kingsland be more than the loss of income from regular ST supporters. Personally, I don't believe so. There is a lot of customer inertia and I would not call it a 'boycott' if somebody chooses not to go and sit somewhere else. Going back to the 'pub' analogy, for many supporters it's the equivalent of the old fellow who always sits every day in the corner at his favourite table. If there is a group of teenagers sitting in 'his place' then he is likely not to go in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 What happens IF Saints sell more tickets than seats available (Some sections of the ground are NOT being opened, including where mt ST is) Can't quite understand the logic:D If you're very unlucky you'll get Steve Bull sat on your lap Hairy Testiculed Hamsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Er, it's only two stands. It's a commercial decision. Will the money saved by closing the Kingsland be more than the loss of income from regular ST supporters. Personally, I don't believe so. There is a lot of customer inertia and I would not call it a 'boycott' if somebody chooses not to go and sit somewhere else. Going back to the 'pub' analogy, for many supporters it's the equivalent of the old fellow who always sits every day in the corner at his favourite table. If there is a group of teenagers sitting in 'his place' then he is likely not to go in. As I said, the club didn't bank on the majority of people who sit there being so petty and childish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 As I said, the club didn't bank on the majority of people who sit there being so petty and childish. The reasons matter not, it's still lost income. It's called 'market sensitivity'. If it were my business, which it isn't, and the crowd and associated income were significantly reduced from expectations then I would be asking pertinent questions afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Lindford Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I tend to agree. IMHO, not very POSITIVE thinking The FA Cup still retains some magic, and under normal circumstances, I would expect circa 18000 I've had to relocate to the Chapel, but I'm NOT happy at having to do so, and I know for a fact that six of the Supporters who are fellow ST holders in the Kingsland are VERY annoyed. Perhaps someone should explain the difference in Pulling Power between the JPT and the FA Cup ? You have a ticket for the Chapel end for the Luton game? I was told on Saturday by the ticket office that the Chapel was not open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 14 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 14 December, 2009 You have a ticket for the Chapel end for the Luton game? I was told on Saturday by the ticket office that the Chapel was not open. My apologies, It is in the Itchen Stand:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 The club has let it's ST holders down very badly. Some bastard grabbed my usual seat before I got there first thing Monday, fthen told "open seating" whatever that's effing meant to be. Anyway Eff them all up there. None of my mates got their usual seats either so you've guessed thay all said on saturday Eff the Effing lot of them up there.. So that's really good PR guys, effing off half your effing loyal fanbase. Is this the shape of things to come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Anyway stuff them, we're not going and now we're not going up there tomorrow either so that's 5 seats lost because of effing idiots at SMS who don't know what effing loyalty effing means or don't effing give a toss. Bastards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 So that's really good PR guys, effing off half your effing loyal fanbase. Is this the shape of things to come? Not according to the new 'Supporter's Charter' which promises priority for your own seat for cup games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 If you're very unlucky you'll get Steve Bull sat on your lap Hairy Testiculed Hamsters. Spoke to Steve Saturday he is down the Chapel now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I'm not overly bothered where I sit although I'd prefer a seat in the Kingsland so I'm going to wait to see if they open it. The game won't sell out of course but I think there may be more interest in it than the club anticipates. I hear Luton are expecting to bring around 3000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 The Kingsland and Chapel ST holders are hacked off because they can't get their usual seats and if they still intend to go, will most probably go to the Itchen, as most view the Northam as a last resort. That leads to another hacked off group of ST holders in the Itchen, who can't get their seats because they have been sold to others. I already have the tickets for my seats in the Itchen, so don't have a problem, but I can see further problems for all concerned, if we do attract a normal Saturday gate, the Kingsland will be opened, causing ST holders to try and change their seats. It might have been better to open the usual Saturday areas, especially as it is the FA Cup and a Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 The Kingsland and Chapel ST holders are hacked off because they can't get their usual seats and if they still intend to go, will most probably go to the Itchen, as most view the Northam as a last resort. That leads to another hacked off group of ST holders in the Itchen, who can't get their seats because they have been sold to others. I already have the tickets for my seats in the Itchen, so don't have a problem, but I can see further problems for all concerned, if we do attract a normal Saturday gate, the Kingsland will be opened, causing ST holders to try and change their seats. It might have been better to open the usual Saturday areas, especially as it is the FA Cup and a Saturday. As usual, the voice of reason. Are you sure you're on the right forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Anyway stuff them, we're not going and now we're not going up there tomorrow either so that's 5 seats lost because of effing idiots at SMS who don't know what effing loyalty effing means or don't effing give a toss. Bastards! Wouldn't of happened at The Emirates would it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 The club has let it's ST holders down very badly. Some bastard grabbed my usual seat before I got there first thing Monday, fthen told "open seating" whatever that's effing meant to be. Anyway Eff them all up there. None of my mates got their usual seats either so you've guessed thay all said on saturday Eff the Effing lot of them up there.. So that's really good PR guys, effing off half your effing loyal fanbase. Is this the shape of things to come? That's not the clubs fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 That's not the clubs fault. Of course it is, this ranks alongside one of the JPT matches that was originally sold as normal then after a lot of tickets sold with seat reservations was changed to the Luton scenario. Then to cap it all, only those that went through turnstile A were told by stewards that spectators were now being stacked from block 4 filling each block on the instructions of some middle manager. Most of those had tickets with seat numbers although later tickets showed unreserved. Consequently there was an immediate reaction, especially when the stewards said that blocks 5 upwards would be opened after 4 was full. It was pointed out that the inevitable result would be a rush from 4-5 etc once they opened. Eventually after a lot of people just stood on the steps and refused to go into block 4 the stewards opened the other blocks. I will say that the response from the stewards was that this was an unworkable stupidity but despite their efforts to get it changed the manager who had imposed it wouldn't change. When I showed the supervising steward my tickets with seat numbers he understood. The club may well be right that the crowd won't be big enough but it is a Saturday. It's the day after the bank holiday and I personally think that could well mean a good crowd despite the status of the opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 The club has let it's ST holders down very badly. Some bastard grabbed my usual seat before I got there first thing Monday, fthen told "open seating" whatever that's effing meant to be. Anyway Eff them all up there. None of my mates got their usual seats either so you've guessed thay all said on saturday Eff the Effing lot of them up there.. So that's really good PR guys, effing off half your effing loyal fanbase. Is this the shape of things to come? LOL, what a moron. I could understand if you went to part of the ground for the atmosphere and couldn't get in there, but all you need to do on this occasion is get a seat in the Itchen with almost the equivalent view to Kingsland, or wait until they open more blocks of the Kingsland and go in there near the half way line. The Charlton game in JPT was open right up to the half way line in the end. You can even call up and get tickets for you and your little group of pals all together so you can have your no doubt usual witty banter together. at the end of the day, if you wanted to go, you'll go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 LOL, what a moron. I could understand if you went to part of the ground for the atmosphere and couldn't get in there, but all you need to do on this occasion is get a seat in the Itchen with almost the equivalent view to Kingsland, or wait until they open more blocks of the Kingsland and go in there near the half way line. The Charlton game in JPT was open right up to the half way line in the end. You can even call up and get tickets for you and your little group of pals all together so you can have your no doubt usual witty banter together. at the end of the day, if you wanted to go, you'll go. Like it or not there is apparently quite a large number of regulars who won't. And I can't get a seat in the Itchen with the equivalent seat to mine in the Kingsland. Markus has already grabbed it. As you suggest, I shall wait until nearer the game. I cannot see why anybody would bother to buy a ticket nearly 4 weeks in advance unless it was either to get their usual seat or to get a 'good view'. I think that the club has seriously underestimated the potential crowd for this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 Like it or not there is apparently quite a large number of regulars who won't. And I can't get a seat in the Itchen with the equivalent seat to mine in the Kingsland. Markus has already grabbed it. As you suggest, I shall wait until nearer the game. I cannot see why anybody would bother to buy a ticket nearly 4 weeks in advance unless it was either to get their usual seat or to get a 'good view'. I think that the club has seriously underestimated the potential crowd for this game. I tend to agree with them underestimating the potential crowd. I think Luton will bring about 2k - 2.5k, it is a bank holiday weekend (friday) so people will want to get out of the house, tickets are relatively cheap at £10 for season ticket holders, and with a large crowd expected for Exeter (which I reckon will be about 28k) a good win there will see many return a week later. The point I was making was the previous poster made himself look like a proper wally having a fit over his precious "usual seat". I'd bet decent money he would have been able to get some very near by with equivalent view on the day they went on sale. It will be a good game, decent atmosphere, FA CUP, no rush to get tickets, but get yourself down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 No it's an excuse for a senseless rant by a person deprived of "his" seat for the FA Cup game.Old people don't like change so they think the club should pander to their every whim whether it makes economic sense or not. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It seemed like a total joke at first but now I see it for the serious issue that it actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I asked a few STs who sit near me on Saturday whether they would go if they could not get their regular seat. It's not a very big sample but 4 had already reluctantly bought tickets for the Itchen and 7 said that they would only go if they could have their 'own' seat. "No I aint going to watch luton" is more likely the real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I never understood why it's such a big deal for a Season ticket not getting their seat in a low profile cup game. God knows why Fans are freaking out about such a low key issue, considering the amount of empty seats around the ground in which they get to pick from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 "No I aint going to watch luton" is more likely the real reason. Not at all. They've been coming to see Brentford, Colchester, Gillingham, MK Dons, Brighton... ...well you get the idea. As I've said before, the club has the opportunity to sell a few thousand more tickets here and they aren't going to do it if they shut the biggest and most popular stand which contains their most loyal supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 As I've said before, the club has the opportunity to sell a few thousand more tickets here and they aren't going to do it if they shut the biggest and most popular stand which contains their most loyal supporters. Think again Grandad. If they really were the most loyal fans they wouldn't be whining about not getting a certain seat. End of discussion methinks. Time to put up or shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I never understood why it's such a big deal for a Season ticket not getting their seat in a low profile cup game. God knows why Fans are freaking out about such a low key issue, considering the amount of empty seats around the ground in which they get to pick from. I can only speak for the silent majority. There are only two areas open. The seats in the kingsland are the best views in the stadium. You may not like their reasons but if their seats were available they would come but if they aren't they won't. We are talking about several thousand tickets here, to those of us who run our own business and have gone through the worst recession in a generation it doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 December, 2009 Share Posted 14 December, 2009 I never understood why it's such a big deal for a Season ticket not getting their seat in a low profile cup game. God knows why Fans are freaking out about such a low key issue, considering the amount of empty seats around the ground in which they get to pick from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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