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St. Jason

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1) Is the current squad good enough anyway?

 

2) What/who do we need to add to have a real chance of getting there?

 

3) This is a touchy one, are we being unrealistic? (I say no)

 

1) 100% yes, i know we lost at Leeds but, not a lot between us!

 

2) A reliable right back and a quality striker for cover!

 

3) -10 points is a lot of pressure, we have no room for a 'sticky patch' Leeds, Charlton etc can have a little slip and still be fine, if that happens to us with the points deficit its curtains!!!

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1) 100% yes, i know we lost at Leeds but, not a lot between us!

 

2) A reliable right back and a quality striker for cover!

 

3) -10 points is a lot of pressure, we have no room for a 'sticky patch' Leeds, Charlton etc can have a little slip and still be fine, if that happens to us with the points deficit its curtains!!!

 

I see what you mean I guess we can only afford five or six loss's for the rest of the season?

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IMO we had a poor start to the season, we didn't come flying off the blocks like we expected to. We are in good form, and as long as we keep winning, especially against the clubs above us I can see us in the play offs, but remember play offs is still a long way from promotion

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Only a couple of additions as to not upset the tight little unit they seem to be becoming,

 

Would like to see a new a right back and a lump at the back if trotman goes. Also I would like to see Holmes included down the left , IMO Lallana will go in Jan so this may well happen.

 

Having watched us against Leeds and Norwich in recent weeks I don't thing we are far off the money otherwise, just need to keep winning and not let the poor sides drag our game down like Exeter nearly did on Sat.

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I would like to see central midfield cover for Morgan and Hammond. Wotton is limited as a 'sweeper/holding player' and fair play to him does the job ok. We lack a more forward-thinking Lampard type who can do the job Hammond should be doing while Morgan sweeps around.

 

Would also like to see another left back as cover/competition for Harding and potentially a striker. Although we have Papa, Connolly and Lambert, we lack a fourth striker with experience (I'd love Paterson to be that man but I think it's too early yet).

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It's There

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What we really need is "LUCK"! ie..no injuries to key players, post coming to our rescue when only leading by one goal etc.

If Lady Luck is with us, then we have the attributes to succeed in geting to the playoffs. Mind you, it would be more fun if Leeds, Norwich and Charlton all had a dip in form and results..

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Current squad is good enough to get us to the playoffs.

 

However...

 

I wouldn't be as confident of actually getting promotion in the playoffs. If the squad remains the same and Saints play either Norwich or Charlton in a play off final it will be very difficult. The squad therefore needs strengthening to improve chances of winning the playoffs not getting there in the first place. By spending now rather than the summer gives players a chance to "bed in" so even if Saints don't go up this season next season will be all about going up automatically.

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Current squad is good enough to get us to the playoffs.

 

However...

 

I wouldn't be as confident of actually getting promotion in the playoffs. If the squad remains the same and Saints play either Norwich or Charlton in a play off final it will be very difficult. The squad therefore needs strengthening to improve chances of winning the playoffs not getting there in the first place. By spending now rather than the summer gives players a chance to "bed in" so even if Saints don't go up this season next season will be all about going up automatically.

 

Agree about Norwich. If we do manage to reach the play-offs and Norwich happen to be their then I'll worry. Lets just hope if we do make it they go up automatically. Hopefully in january we get some decent signing's so we can give it a real push for the second half of the season.

 

If we beat Colchester today I'll be over the moon!!

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We are not good enough, we haven't beaten any of the top 6 in the league this season, speaks for itself in terms of what would happen in the plays offs. We night get there but we wont go up. We cant just win a game 1-0, or get a lead and shut up shop, we need to score at least two to give ourselves a chance of winning as we always look likely to conceed. Strengthening the defence is a priority. Right back and Centre back with pace required. That said Pardew has done an excellent job in building the team he has, given the short time frame he had to work in so remains to be seen what he has up his sleeve in January. We should not be disapointed with not making the play offs though, given what went on in the summer and the fact its a new team. If we can add 3-4 quality signings, two of which should be in defence with a striker, Jackson and Barnard have been mentioned, i'd also like to see Jason Puncheon from MK Dons in a saints shirt, then we wil definately go up next season, probably as champions.

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What do we need?

 

CB

RB

CM

CF

 

That's what we need.

 

I think we are completely capable of reaching the play-offs, but whether or not we'd go up is a different matter. The top six are Leeds (LOST), Charlton (DREW), Norwich (DREW), Colchester (DREW, LOST), Huddersfield (LOST), and Swindon (LOST).

 

If we didn't go up I am confident we'd go up next year as Champions. With the right transfers and confidence running high there's no reason why we couldn't.

 

Will be interesting to now see what Pards does in January.

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1) Is the current squad good enough anyway?

 

2) What/who do we need to add to have a real chance of getting there?

 

3) This is a touchy one, are we being unrealistic? (I say no)

 

1. No - we need to find replacements for the last of the Lowe-kids. James is not good enough for example.

 

2. See aove

 

3. Unreliastic no, but perhaps a little over optimistic... something we've craved for years so it's not al bad!!! Mid table survival is fine this year, Pards has achieved that already IMHO... so why not let a little optimism have its day... so nice to have a Club we can believe in again.

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What do we need?

 

CB

RB

CM

CF

 

That's what we need.

 

I think we are completely capable of reaching the play-offs, but whether or not we'd go up is a different matter. The top six are Leeds (LOST), Charlton (DREW), Norwich (DREW), Colchester (DREW, LOST), Huddersfield (LOST), and Swindon (LOST).

 

If we didn't go up I am confident we'd go up next year as Champions. With the right transfers and confidence running high there's no reason why we couldn't.

 

Will be interesting to now see what Pards does in January.

 

This may sound a bit weird but I would prefer to see us go up next season as Champions and lifting a trophie at St Marys would be something special imo. I also think it would set us up better for The Championship if we spent another season down here.

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This may sound a bit weird but I would prefer to see us go up next season as Champions and lifting a trophie at St Marys would be something special imo. I also think it would set us up better for The Championship if we spent another season down here.

 

What about going up from the Championship to the Prem as champions next season?

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This may sound a bit weird but I would prefer to see us go up next season as Champions and lifting a trophie at St Marys would be something special imo. I also think it would set us up better for The Championship if we spent another season down here.

winning league 1 is not special for a club like saints

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winning league 1 is not special for a club like saints

 

I'd rather win League one than face a few years of mid-table mediocrity. 'a club like the saints' sounds like we are resting on laurels, I'd love to see us win League One, I'd think it was special cos it would be the first piece of silverware I'd have ever seen us win.

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I'd rather win League one than face a few years of mid-table mediocrity. 'a club like the saints' sounds like we are resting on laurels, I'd love to see us win League One, I'd think it was special cos it would be the first piece of silverware I'd have ever seen us win.

so...does winning league 1 mean we wont face any years of mediocrity..?

 

give me promotion via the playoffs this season over any league 1 trophy next year

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I'd rather win League one than face a few years of mid-table mediocrity. 'a club like the saints' sounds like we are resting on laurels, I'd love to see us win League One, I'd think it was special cos it would be the first piece of silverware I'd have ever seen us win.

 

Second after the JPT.

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Legod Third Coming

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What do we need?

 

CB

RB

CM

CF

 

That's what we need.

 

I think we are completely capable of reaching the play-offs, but whether or not we'd go up is a different matter. The top six are Leeds (LOST), Charlton (DREW), Norwich (DREW), Colchester (DREW, LOST), Huddersfield (LOST), and Swindon (LOST).

 

If we didn't go up I am confident we'd go up next year as Champions. With the right transfers and confidence running high there's no reason why we couldn't.

 

Will be interesting to now see what Pards does in January.

 

If we do not go up this year, there is no guarantee that we will go up next season either. We will be facing three relegated Championship teams (we are one this year) and the best of those who do not go up this year which will include at least three of the current top six (if not more).

 

Either we can beat these teams or we can't.

 

If we can't beat them now/this season, why can we next season?

 

That assumes that we are the only team with the capacity to improve and I don't believe that's true. We might be the one with the deepest pockets but as yesterday proved that counts for feck all...

 

I think our best chance of going up is this season. We have momentum and we have the squad. Next season we would lose at least one if not all of: Lallana, Waigo, Lambert, Hammond, James, Davis, Bart, Harding...

 

These players are committed to the cause now, but that's because they can see light at the end of the tunnel!

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If we do not go up this year, there is no guarantee that we will go up next season either. We will be facing three relegated Championship teams (we are one this year) and the best of those who do not go up this year which will include at least three of the current top six (if not more).

 

Either we can beat these teams or we can't.

 

If we can't beat them now/this season, why can we next season?

 

That assumes that we are the only team with the capacity to improve and I don't believe that's true. We might be the one with the deepest pockets but as yesterday proved that counts for feck all...

 

I think our best chance of going up is this season. We have momentum and we have the squad. Next season we would lose at least one if not all of: Lallana, Waigo, Lambert, Hammond, James, Davis, Bart, Harding...

 

These players are committed to the cause now, but that's because they can see light at the end of the tunnel!

 

 

I think it may be easy next year to get promoted as we are competing with Charlton Leeds and Norwich at the moment who are large clubs.

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Yep, plus we would have had a year in the League to adjust, and next year we won't have a 10 point deduction.

 

That's if we are still in League One...

 

Leeds are currently on fire at the top of the table, but it took them 3 years to get there.

but they had a bigger points deductions..hardly any money (compared to us) and a few managers

 

if we are not promoted by the end of next season..i firmly expect pardew to not be manager as a result..

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but they had a bigger points deductions..hardly any money (compared to us) and a few managers

 

if we are not promoted by the end of next season..i firmly expect pardew to not be manager as a result..

 

 

 

Oooh well before then I would have thought.I think the management will allow him a little bit of money this window,but if the results aren't significantly better against top teams afterwards I don't know what might happen.

I think M Cortese said he wanted to walk out on us during the Swindon game,

perhaps patience is not his strong suit.

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Oooh well before then I would have thought.I think the management will allow him a little bit of money this window,but if the results aren't significantly better against top teams afterwards I don't know what might happen.

I think M Cortese said he wanted to walk out on us during the Swindon game,

perhaps patience is not his strong suit.

im sure we will be strong in the second half of the season and I really believe pardew will get us up..

 

however, the money we have spent already is massive for league 1 and it appears we are going to spend more on and off the pitch with the owner dipping his hand in his pockets..

 

with that, they will demand results..and I dont blame them

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im sure we will be strong in the second half of the season and I really believe pardew will get us up..

 

however, the money we have spent already is massive for league 1 and it appears we are going to spend more on and off the pitch with the owner dipping his hand in his pockets..

 

with that, they will demand results..and I dont blame them

 

 

Doubt if he's dipping his hand into his pocket very much for just the team side of things. We are getting good gates and must be breaking around even at least.

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Doubt if he's dipping his hand into his pocket very much for just the team side of things. We are getting good gates and must be breaking around even at least.

but he is dipping his hand in his pocket for the update to the already superior training facilities allowing MORE money for the first team...

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Aren't Peterborough selling someone for 4 million in the near future?

They stormed up last season, they might be able to do it again.

are they..or is that what they want..?

 

they had the right manager, the right players in place to allow them to go up...now that is all being slowing dismantled I cant see them being as good as norwich or chalrton this season

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but he is dipping his hand in his pocket for the update to the already superior training facilities allowing MORE money for the first team...

 

But that's a structural investment,don't take owners putting their hands into their pockets too seriously.Perhaps he's loaning us the money.Talking of loaning, whatever happened to Jacksons Farm?? Do we still own it or was it signed away in the takeover gumph.I never got the full details of all that, perhaps the letter just got lost on it's circuitous route ,and to think I gave the post lady 7 euros for her crap calendar the other day, mind you if you don't, your mail tends to fall into the mud and rose bushes a lot.

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But that's a structural investment,don't take owners putting their hands into their pockets too seriously.Perhaps he's loaning us the money.Talking of loaning, whatever happened to Jacksons Farm?? Do we still own it or was it signed away in the takeover gumph.I never got the full details of ll that, perhaps the letter just got lot on it's circuitous route .

Mr C has alraedy been quoted in that large investment to upgrade the training ground was being paid for by the owner to ALLOW MORE money for pardew....that is why the owner is paying for it..so the fact he IS dipping his hands into his pockets directly effects the first team operations in a good way...

 

loaning us the money or not...either way, he is allowing us even more money to spend on players..

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I do see where you're coming from TDD.

 

i've been thinking along the same lines - we could be the stand out team next year. Having Leeds, Norwich, Charlton and us in the same division makes it much harder to get out, it's probably as tough as this league has ever been.

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Hopefully he will dip in to his pockets, but its only worth it if we can attract the right players, and to do that we already need to look like we are on course for promotion. I know we signed Lambert and Hammond, but for a player to drop down a division we need them to be motivated by more than just money.

In terms of the club being self sufficient, who knows over the next month we could get to Wembley and a couple of rounds further in the FA Cup, surely that would create a considerably larger income than we would have budgeted for at the start of the season. Presume both cups give more prize money for each round + sky money, + gate receipts. JPT final would generate quite a bit in merchandise alone.

 

What is Jack Cork up to now?

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I do see where you're coming from TDD.

 

i've been thinking along the same lines - we could be the stand out team next year. Having Leeds, Norwich, Charlton and us in the same division makes it much harder to get out, it's probably as tough as this league has ever been.

 

we could have been one of the stand-out teams this season, but we got a crap start. Even the 38 points we've mustered doesn't really cut the mustard compared to the 50 or so Leeds have already . Why couldn't we get Kisnorbo in the close season, didn't sign for Leeds until late July. Oh right Milan hates us and would never let us have anyone any good.

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Hopefully he will dip in to his pockets, but its only worth it if we can attract the right players, and to do that we already need to look like we are on course for promotion. I know we signed Lambert and Hammond, but for a player to drop down a division we need them to be motivated by more than just money.

In terms of the club being self sufficient, who knows over the next month we could get to Wembley and a couple of rounds further in the FA Cup, surely that would create a considerably larger income than we would have budgeted for at the start of the season. Presume both cups give more prize money for each round + sky money, + gate receipts. JPT final would generate quite a bit in merchandise alone.

 

What is Jack Cork up to now?

 

i think Cork is on loan at Coventry, don't know how long for.

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Only a couple of additions as to not upset the tight little unit they seem to be becoming,

 

Would like to see a new a right back and a lump at the back if trotman goes. Also I would like to see Holmes included down the left , IMO Lallana will go in Jan so this may well happen.

 

Having watched us against Leeds and Norwich in recent weeks I don't thing we are far off the money otherwise, just need to keep winning and not let the poor sides drag our game down like Exeter nearly did on Sat.

 

What do we need another 'lump' for? We've got Jaidi, if anything we need someone who is able to deal with the nippier forwards. 2 lumps will just be given the runaround.

 

How can you call Exeter a poor side? I thought they played really well with 10 men, so much so you didn't notice they were a man down. They passed it around swiftly and accurately and could have nicked a draw.

 

We need cover at right back, a CB and another forward.

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