Recalling Wilde's comments on this site

[TopGun]

Rome was not built in a day and many of you will recall Wilde's comments on this forum a few weeks ago after the Exeter game when he said there will be highs and lows in the coming season. I think he's right.

 

Some of our youngsters will cut the mustard and push on whilst we will unfortunately see others who are not ready yet or who will be exposed as not good enough anyway.

 

But as we find our natural team and supplement weaker areas with loans as necessary I think we will still have an enjoyable though tough season that will lay important foundations for the future.

[alpine_saint]

Rome was not built in a day and many of you will recall Wilde's comments on this forum a few weeks ago after the Exeter game when he said there will be highs and lows in the coming season. I think he's right.

 

Some of our youngsters will cut the mustard and push on whilst we will unfortunately see others who are not ready yet or who will be exposed as not good enough anyway.

 

But as we find our natural team and supplement weaker areas with loans as necessary I think we will still have an enjoyable though tough season that will lay important foundations for the future.

 

This learning curve about our youngsters needs to be accellerated.

[hypochondriac]

Rome was not built in a day and many of you will recall Wilde's comments on this forum a few weeks ago after the Exeter game when he said there will be highs and lows in the coming season. I think he's right.

 

Some of our youngsters will cut the mustard and push on whilst we will unfortunately see others who are not ready yet or who will be exposed as not good enough anyway.

 

But as we find our natural team and supplement weaker areas with loans as necessary I think we will still have an enjoyable though tough season that will lay important foundations for the future.

 

Agree with that. I still think it is too early to be writing us off as relegation certs. People forget that we pushed Birmingham very close. I hope we can recapture some of our form from the early games and we shall see.

[hypochondriac]

This learning curve about our youngsters needs to be accelerated.

 

A draw on Saturday could lift us out of the relegation zone. That would do for me for the season!

[OldNick]

the football was ok it wasnt as good as some games and Gillettehas lost a bit of confidence.

Ipswich also play good football and it was noticable that they looked physically stronger in every department as their players were much older than ours.This season for me is only about staying up.

[Weston Saint]

the football was ok it wasnt as good as some games and Gillettehas lost a bit of confidence.

Ipswich also play good football and it was noticable that they looked physically stronger in every department as their players were much older than ours.This season for me is only about staying up.

 

Yep, agree with all of that Nick.

[hypochondriac]

Yep, agree with all of that Nick.

 

If we stay up I will consider it a success, so if we are out of the relegation by Sunday then I will be pleased with our start to the season in that our objectives are being reached.

[exit2]

the football was ok it wasnt as good as some games and Gillettehas lost a bit of confidence.

Ipswich also play good football and it was noticable that they looked physically stronger in every department as their players were much older than ours.This season for me is only about staying up.

 

Nick you right there.

Last night was literally boys against men! ITFC were stronger both mentally and physically. This showed when we lost our heads and shape in the last 30 mins or so

[hypochondriac]

Nick you right there.

Last night was literally boys against men! ITFC were stronger both mentally and physically. This showed when we lost our heads and shape in the last 30 mins or so

 

Thank god we managed to get a point out of it!

[rick1976.4.38]

totaly agree nickh,this season is about staying in ccc and then getting stonger and better next season.last night was first game ive missed this season,what ive seen so far i think we will be ok,the result on saturday will in some ways tell us more,coyr

[OldNick]

Considering all the posesstion Ipswich had for the last 20 they created very little except for KD's one on one, that is a credit to the team.Cork impressed me, sadly he is not our player but he was very composed.

[alpine_saint]

the football was ok it wasnt as good as some games and Gillettehas lost a bit of confidence.

Ipswich also play good football and it was noticable that they looked physically stronger in every department as their players were much older than ours.This season for me is only about staying up.

 

So where is the "jam tomorrow" coming from, and how do you intend to get to next season with plummeting attendances dragging the finances down this season ?

 

Sorry, assuming next season has to get better is completely stupid and is burying your head in the sand. Especially as anyone showing progress this season will be flogged in January or the summer, meaning back-to-square-one.

[TopGun]

IMO at the moment our younger home produced players are as follows:

 

James - borderline, not sure whether not good enough or not ready. May make it.

Lancashire - good enough.

Mills - too young, stop gap emergency only.

Gillet - borderline, may not be good enough. We will find out soon.

White - not ready yet.

Thomson - looks good enough at the moment and better option than Dyer.

McGoldrick - borderline, may not be good enough.

Lallana - good enough. Pick of the crop.

 

If I am right then it demonstrates that as before only about one or two players are good enough annually to make the grade and the position is no different than before. Hopefully I am wrong and JP will convert some of the borderline players into ones that are good enough. It will be interesting to see whether that is possible or not with his methods.

[OldNick]

IMO at the moment our younger home produced players are as follows:

 

James - borderline, not sure whether not good enough or not ready. May make it.

Lancashire - good enough.

Mills - too young, stop gap emergency only.

Gillet - borderline, may not be good enough. We will find out soon.

White - not ready yet.

Thomson - looks good enough at the moment and better option than Dyer.

McGoldrick - borderline, may not be good enough.

Lallana - good enough. Pick of the crop.

 

If I am right then it demonstrates that as before only about one or two players are good enough annually to make the grade and the position is no different than before. Hopefully I am wrong and JP will convert some of the borderline players into ones that are good enough. It will be interesting to see whether that is possible or not with his methods.

a fair assessment but sadly I cannot see any other way forward with the financial restraints.Ump gave the closest other way by scouring the lower leagues for Wotton type players who would accept a low wage but the quality woud be no better

[Greenridge]

IMO at the moment our younger home produced players are as follows:

 

James - borderline, not sure whether not good enough or not ready. May make it.

Lancashire - good enough.

Mills - too young, stop gap emergency only.

Gillet - borderline, may not be good enough. We will find out soon.

White - not ready yet.

Thomson - looks good enough at the moment and better option than Dyer.

McGoldrick - borderline, may not be good enough.

Lallana - good enough. Pick of the crop.

 

If I am right then it demonstrates that as before only about one or two players are good enough annually to make the grade and the position is no different than before. Hopefully I am wrong and JP will convert some of the borderline players into ones that are good enough. It will be interesting to see whether that is possible or not with his methods.

 

Agree with your summation there TG. At this moment in time only 2 or 3 (Lancashire and Lallana, possibly Thomson) are of the required standard and this was recognised by previous managers yet we have a team that contains 6 or 7 each game. If we truly can produce a full team of graduates that can make the grade then Rupert is on to a real money spinner. Reality is though that only a very small percentage make the step up.

 

Yes it's early days and yes there is a learning curve but these 'boys' have been playing football for 10 years plus and at a decent level for the last two or three years, they should have done much of their learning by now. The CCC is no doubt different to what they're used to but if they're good enough they'll adapt and prosper, if they're not then they won't make the grade.

[John B]

a fair assessment but sadly I cannot see any other way forward with the financial restraints.Ump gave the closest other way by scouring the lower leagues for Wotton type players who would accept a low wage but the quality woud be no better

 

As usual I am in total agreement with you.

 

The team should improve and may well keep us in the Championship.

 

However if the fans do not get behind the team and encourage them they may fail owing to a lack of confidence.

 

Slagging off young players does not help either

[Weston Saint]

So where is the "jam tomorrow" coming from, and how do you intend to get to next season with plummeting attendances dragging the finances down this season ?

 

Sorry, assuming next season has to get better is completely stupid and is burying your head in the sand. Especially as anyone showing progress this season will be flogged in January or the summer, meaning back-to-square-one.

 

Give us the benefit of your thoughts on what the team should be, where we need to strengthen, how we are going to raise the finances and how any tactical changes will benefit the way we play.

[Weston Super Saint]

Rome was not built in a day and many of you will recall Wilde's comments on this forum a few weeks ago after the Exeter game when he said there will be highs and lows in the coming season. I think he's right.

 

Some of our youngsters will cut the mustard and push on whilst we will unfortunately see others who are not ready yet or who will be exposed as not good enough anyway.

 

But as we find our natural team and supplement weaker areas with loans as necessary I think we will still have an enjoyable though tough season that will lay important foundations for the future.

 

Any idea when the highs will be coming ?

[alpine_saint]

Give us the benefit of your thoughts on what the team should be, where we need to strengthen, how we are going to raise the finances and how any tactical changes will benefit the way we play.

 

That wasnt my point, R.

 

I am point out that this stuff about surviving this season and having something to build on next season is utter nonsense.

[hypochondriac]

Any idea when the highs will be coming ?

Not sure about you but I loved going down to Pride Park and beating Derby.

[Weston Super Saint]

Any idea when the highs will be coming ?

 

Not sure about you but I loved going down to Pride Park and beating Derby.

 

A little disappointing if we've already had them all

[Wade Garrett]

Give us the benefit of your thoughts on what the team should be, where we need to strengthen, how we are going to raise the finances and how any tactical changes will benefit the way we play.

 

I think the gates would certainly improve on the 15K last night if Lowe and Wilde just f*cked off. They have split the fanbase and people are staying away because of them.

 

We need to strengthen at both full-back positions. We are very vulnerable there, and we could play Surman in a position where he could hurt the opposition. The 4-5-1 experiment is crap as well. We need to go 4-4-2. John has to be in the side and given a decent run. He'll score goals for us no doubt.

 

I don't particularly rate the manager either, but accept that he needs to be given time.

[hypochondriac]

A little disappointing if we've already had them all

 

I am sure there will be similar results throughout the season. It would be silly to think that we would not get any more results after just 6 games.

[OldNick]

That wasnt my point, R.

 

I am point out that this stuff about surviving this season and having something to build on next season is utter nonsense.

so you are saying what? that you cannot answer Westons pertinent question but criticise the only pragmatic way forward. Do you not think we all would like 6-7 seasoned pros in and only 3 or 4 youngsters? You vcan give up and say we are doomed and not turn up (thats ironic isnt it) or try and get the best out of the bare bones we have to work with.

I may be the only person who can see this (although Im sure I am not) but we are in dire straits financiall y and to put out a team at the most effective but cheapest to appease the banks this is what we have to do. If we cant move the higher players on, they might come into the squad but they will have to have a positive mindset and also not have big appearance fee clauses in their contract.

I didnt enjoy the game as much last night as the foogtball by us was not flowing as the youngstres no doubt felt the pressure. That is the way but I suspect (not that i read it ) the fans at the game were moe supportive than others who could not make the game for various reasons (yours being very valid). The fans in the min sang and supported the team and accept that we are where we are and have to make the best of it.

Afterall we had post after post of fans complaining about the quality of football and the fear we were hoofing it too much, now we play the ball and as a fan of football im glad.

[OldNick]

I think the gates would certainly improve on the 15K last night if Lowe and Wilde just f*cked off. They have split the fanbase and people are staying away because of them.

 

We need to strengthen at both full-back positions. We are very vulnerable there, and we could play Surman in a position where he could hurt the opposition. The 4-5-1 experiment is crap as well. We need to go 4-4-2. John has to be in the side and given a decent run. He'll score goals for us no doubt.

 

I don't particularly rate the manager either, but accept that he needs to be given time.

Wade I really doubt the gates would improve if Wilde and Lowe left, because most of us go to watch Saints not who is in the directors box.I myself was right against the Wilde bunch but still went and Im sure many others who detest RL go still because they are fans.We have to accept many fans will omnly go if it looks like we will win/in the PL or go to watch a train crash game ie Sheff Utd last season.

[Wade Garrett]

Wade I really doubt the gates would improve if Wilde and Lowe left, because most of us go to watch Saints not who is in the directors box.I myself was right against the Wilde bunch but still went and Im sure many others who detest RL go still because they are fans.We have to accept many fans will omnly go if it looks like we will win/in the PL or go to watch a train crash game ie Sheff Utd last season.

 

I disagree nick. I know plenty who are staying away for that very reason.

[saintjay77]

So where is the "jam tomorrow" coming from, and how do you intend to get to next season with plummeting attendances dragging the finances down this season ?

 

Sorry, assuming next season has to get better is completely stupid and is burying your head in the sand. Especially as anyone showing progress this season will be flogged in January or the summer, meaning back-to-square-one.

 

Unless money comes in from somewhere else meaning we dont need to sell anyone we dont want too. Flaw in that plan is we dont have any sugar daddys sniffing round looking to invest mega bucks so the situation is what it is and we need to accept it.

 

Results is the only thing that will pick the attendance up and to be fair to the lads they need our support as much as possible. The system can work going forwards but as kids they have never been shy to attack and as a kid that is what football is all about. So it makes sence that the team defending will be the problem.

 

I am more concerned about what is being done in training to teach the team to defend than what we may or may not be doing next season and I am taking things 1 game at a time. Get the defending right and we will cause many teams problems and will pull away from a relegation scrap. Forget the defending and we will be looking for others to save us on the last day.

[OldNick]

I disagree nick. I know plenty who are staying away for that very reason.

Fair enough. Can you see my constrenation with those fans when they didnt when we were in the PL and cup final? Why have they all of a sudden become principalled? i beleive it is an excuse because they didnt flood back when RL was sacked.

[TopGun]

Fair enough. Can you see my constrenation with those fans when they didnt when we were in the PL and cup final? Why have they all of a sudden become principalled? i beleive it is an excuse because they didnt flood back when RL was sacked.

 

I reckon maybe 500 stay away specifically because of Lowe/Wilde. The rest of the disappeared are simply more plastic than the ones in attendance.

[derry]

Give us the benefit of your thoughts on what the team should be, where we need to strengthen, how we are going to raise the finances and how any tactical changes will benefit the way we play.

 

Looks like you got the answer you expected Ron.

[Verbal Kint]

the football was ok it wasnt as good as some games and Gillettehas lost a bit of confidence.

Ipswich also play good football and it was noticable that they looked physically stronger in every department as their players were much older than ours.This season for me is only about staying up.

 

And what about next season when we've sold Lallana and any good other youngster? Lowe's business plan will quite clearly end in failure, just as his last did at the club.

 

Eventually (and probably not too far in the future) we will run out of youngsters to sell. The most important thing about last night was the attendance. Under 15,000. Fans are voting with their feet. Lowe treated fans as 'customers' for years and now it's coming back to haunt him.

[saintjay77]

And what about next season when we've sold Lallana and any good other youngster? Lowe's business plan will quite clearly end in failure, just as his last did at the club.

 

Eventually (and probably not too far in the future) we will run out of youngsters to sell. The most important thing about last night was the attendance. Under 15,000. Fans are voting with their feet. Lowe treated fans as 'customers' for years and now it's coming back to haunt him.

 

I think your putting too much on it being Lowe and Wildes fault. Money is tight for many people at the mo and football is an expensive hobby that is probably 1 of the 1st things to go in many familys. When you think that it has become a family day out and we are not playing against top oposition spending up to £200 for Dad, Kids and travel on a school night it is easy to see why many could be staying away.

 

The so called plastic fans are everywhere and without them all clubs are in serious danger. Tlhere is always the die hard fans that eat live and bretah everything to do with there club but there are many that are there to see us win and be entertained. If Man U went into a relegation battle and drifted away from real chances to get into europe or even the top flight there would slowly be an increase in followers of Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Man City will also gain massive support over the coming years and kids start supporting them because they have this player or that player.

 

So without our plastic fans that give us the all important extra revenue we will be stuck having to sell off our silver to balance the books.

 

As fans we all need to believe in what is being done and encourage as many people to fill the stadium as possible. not saying that is possible but realistically it is what needs to happen for us to regain any power. The kids are not good enough to draw the crouds back in yet and we wont have enough of the better kids left should we not generate some revenue.

 

Big ole Catch 22

[Lunatic Fridge]

Wade I really doubt the gates would improve if Wilde and Lowe left, because most of us go to watch Saints not who is in the directors box.I myself was right against the Wilde bunch but still went and Im sure many others who detest RL go still because they are fans.We have to accept many fans will omnly go if it looks like we will win/in the PL or go to watch a train crash game ie Sheff Utd last season.

 

Wrong again. At least 10000 are not bothering with Saints because they would be supporting Lowe Disunited not SFC. For 20 years I supported Saints home and away from 200miles away so I only knew particularly well four fans. 3 season ticket holders from the area. Guess what they gave up their season tickets this season when Lowe got involved. Not huge numbers but 100% of those I know well.

 

And wrong again about watching "train crashes". We are not going because we fed up with the tripe thats being served, never learning from our mistakes and watching an inferior product. Just because chummy boy reckons as do you that to run a successful football club means keeping a stangle hold on the purse strings, which any bean counter can do, what about the marketing side of the business. No one in this day and age will pay money for an inferior product providing little return in terms of joy or enjoyment.

 

But then RL expects us to cough up for a couple of seasons whilst he benefits financially and we accept that just maybe we might see a revival via the youth. Well I and about 10000 are not prepared to provide Lowe Disunited with our hard earned dosh.

 

Lowe screwed up once and he will do it again except he will lead us to the lower leagues. But when he realises its time to get out again then I and 10000 others will too.

[Ponty]

I'm impressed if you know 10,000 people.

[OldNick]

And what about next season when we've sold Lallana and any good other youngster? Lowe's business plan will quite clearly end in failure, just as his last did at the club.

 

Eventually (and probably not too far in the future) we will run out of youngsters to sell. The most important thing about last night was the attendance. Under 15,000. Fans are voting with their feet. Lowe treated fans as 'customers' for years and now it's coming back to haunt him.

This posts just shows me how far the club has fallen if lLallana is the person who is the crux to success.Dont get me wrong I like him but he is only just learning his trade and is a long way from the finished article. If our youth system does its job there will be others, but our best youngster las night was not Lallana IMO but Cork who is not our player.

[Secret Site Agent]

That wasnt my point, R.

 

I am point out that this stuff about surviving this season and having something to build on next season is utter nonsense.

 

How about you pretend to be Lowe and tell us how YOU would sort it out, with the givens we have? You very rarley answer the questions put to you, and when you answer you are very scathing and not constructive.

 

Over to you. And don't think I am having a go, but I really am interested.

[Thedelldays]

How about you pretend to be Lowe and tell us how YOU would sort it out, with the givens we have? You very rarley answer the questions put to you, and when you answer you are very scathing and not constructive.

 

Over to you. And don't think I am having a go, but I really am interested.

how the hell can anyone answer such a thing without knowing the ins and outs of the finances and contracts etc..

 

all this place is for is for people to give opinions whether they be slightly odd, mental or completely sensible

 

is that so hard for people to grasp??

[Verbal Kint]

This posts just shows me how far the club has fallen if lLallana is the person who is the crux to success.Dont get me wrong I like him but he is only just learning his trade and is a long way from the finished article. If our youth system does its job there will be others, but our best youngster las night was not Lallana IMO but Cork who is not our player.

 

You're sort of proving my point. Lallana will not be here next season. Lowe is already excited at the prospect of selling him. Cork is not our player and will be gone. Any youngster who does well this season will leave. And then what? More youngsters? There is only one way this team is going and it's down. And we will run out of players to sell.

 

I can't wait for us to be the Crewe Alexandra of the south. It's just such an exciting prospect

[OldNick]

Wrong again. At least 10000 are not bothering with Saints because they would be supporting Lowe Disunited not SFC. For 20 years I supported Saints home and away from 200miles away so I only knew particularly well four fans. 3 season ticket holders from the area. Guess what they gave up their season tickets this season when Lowe got involved. Not huge numbers but 100% of those I know well.

 

And wrong again about watching "train crashes". We are not going because we fed up with the tripe thats being served, never learning from our mistakes and watching an inferior product. Just because chummy boy reckons as do you that to run a successful football club means keeping a stangle hold on the purse strings, which any bean counter can do, what about the marketing side of the business. No one in this day and age will pay money for an inferior product providing little return in terms of joy or enjoyment.

 

But then RL expects us to cough up for a couple of seasons whilst he benefits financially and we accept that just maybe we might see a revival via the youth. Well I and about 10000 are not prepared to provide Lowe Disunited with our hard earned dosh.

 

Lowe screwed up once and he will do it again except he will lead us to the lower leagues. But when he realises its time to get out again then I and 10000 others will too.

 

Your user name is apt LF. My train crash analogy is correct. 32000 turned up for the last game because it was going to be drama. It had nothing to do with NP RL MW LC. Those fans paid top money to watch a great day they had great fun but still did not go to games before that or after. Some fans may not go due to RL, but they wont go if he's not there either, because it will be because it's too expensive, or the bus isnt free or a steward gave me a funny look or my burger was cold, or they sell Yorkies but i like Mars bars. The fans I stood with last night were probably the majority that the club can rely on (there are some living too far away or abroad or financially not able) but in the main the hardcore support. That is what RL has got to work with or LC or whoever. Now when an Arab with riches takes us over and spends 500m on the team but decides RL is the best man to keep the club to run financially those so called stay aways due to Lowe will forget all their principles because we are playing Man utd. It is not a dig at you per say but I would guess that if we were in the PL within a couple of seasons and are in a cup final even though Lowe was there many would return.

[OldNick]

how the hell can anyone answer such a thing without knowing the ins and outs of the finances and contracts etc..

 

all this place is for is for people to give opinions whether they be slightly odd, mental or completely sensible

 

is that so hard for people to grasp??

DD to be fair your mate does give out a lot of opinions but never replies to direct questions if he thinks there is any chance of holes being picked in it.You will lay out your plans and others also but him, I have asked for a reply about 10 times but he ignores the question.

[Gemmel]

Wrong again. At least 10000 are not bothering with Saints because they would be supporting Lowe Disunited not SFC. For 20 years I supported Saints home and away from 200miles away so I only knew particularly well four fans. 3 season ticket holders from the area. Guess what they gave up their season tickets this season when Lowe got involved. Not huge numbers but 100% of those I know well.

 

And wrong again about watching "train crashes". We are not going because we fed up with the tripe thats being served, never learning from our mistakes and watching an inferior product. Just because chummy boy reckons as do you that to run a successful football club means keeping a stangle hold on the purse strings, which any bean counter can do, what about the marketing side of the business. No one in this day and age will pay money for an inferior product providing little return in terms of joy or enjoyment.

 

But then RL expects us to cough up for a couple of seasons whilst he benefits financially and we accept that just maybe we might see a revival via the youth. Well I and about 10000 are not prepared to provide Lowe Disunited with our hard earned dosh.

 

Lowe screwed up once and he will do it again except he will lead us to the lower leagues. But when he realises its time to get out again then I and 10000 others will too.

 

LF, i decided to stay away, not just because of lowe, but the eternal politics, awful football and players that couldn't give a ****e about the club or the fans.... I held firm for two whole matches and then caved in and went last night.

It was sad to see the ground so empty, especially the family centre bit, who are our next generation of fans. I genuinely do understand why some fans have had enough and for the most part agree with some of their reasons, but whatever cost saving measures are put in place and whatever players sold, the club with the current set up and infrastructure, simply won't exist with crowds of 14,000.

I dont have any answers but i don't want to be (however tiny) part of the reason we go bust even if my 25 pounds is comletely insignificant.

My gut feeling is that if do go bust it will be lowe that emerges as the new owner anyway......and that just would be too much

[Thedelldays]

DD to be fair your mate does give out a lot of opinions but never replies to direct questions if he thinks there is any chance of holes being picked in it.You will lay out your plans and others also but him, I have asked for a reply about 10 times but he ignores the question.

so what..I never realised that you were obliged to go into detail why you have said opinion..

 

so many think lowe is great or crap at what he does here and are so unqualified to make either judgement it is untrue...

 

what is the difference here..

 

most of us have no idea of the real situation yet give, sometimes crazy wilde opinions anyway...

 

isnt that what this is about...

 

would you rather posters like apline, scooby, dalek and the like just disappeared forever to make this incredibly (now) dull site even more bland than it already is???

[OldNick]

You're sort of proving my point. Lallana will not be here next season. Lowe is already excited at the prospect of selling him. Cork is not our player and will be gone. Any youngster who does well this season will leave. And then what? More youngsters? There is only one way this team is going and it's down. And we will run out of players to sell.

 

I can't wait for us to be the Crewe Alexandra of the south. It's just such an exciting prospect

So a player who we had not heard of is plucked from another team and plays for us, why will that not happen again and again? Mix that with pormising youngsters and as the team grows we will get a stronger unit. It would be better for us to have a team of good useful players than starlets. We have been ruined by our success in getting some great players, many clubs get relegated after promotion and nobody wants their squad, we lose players when we nearly get relegated.We need to let the core of this team grow together and if the odd one leaves there is always someone else who becomes the star, Lallana is hardly a Theo yet and so that is why I beleive he will be here a while longer yet.

[OldNick]

My gut feeling is that if do go bust it will be lowe that emerges as the new owner anyway......and that just would be too much

I dont think he would, he wouldnt wish to risk money on a club that was on -15. I think that would test the resolve of too many fans

[OldNick]

so what..I never realised that you were obliged to go into detail why you have said opinion..

 

so many think lowe is great or crap at what he does here and are so unqualified to make either judgement it is untrue...

 

what is the difference here..

 

most of us have no idea of the real situation yet give, sometimes crazy wilde opinions anyway...

 

isnt that what this is about...

 

would you rather posters like apline, scooby, dalek and the like just disappeared forever to make this incredibly (now) dull site even more bland than it already is???

No I wouldnt although the Skate on the Lounge I would. The point is if you are always picking holes in others and jumping on anything to make it seem you are correct, it a bit pathetic if you dont qualify your arguement.

[Verbal Kint]

So a player who we had not heard of is plucked from another team and plays for us, why will that not happen again and again? Mix that with pormising youngsters and as the team grows we will get a stronger unit. It would be better for us to have a team of good useful players than starlets. We have been ruined by our success in getting some great players, many clubs get relegated after promotion and nobody wants their squad, we lose players when we nearly get relegated.We need to let the core of this team grow together and if the odd one leaves there is always someone else who becomes the star, Lallana is hardly a Theo yet and so that is why I beleive he will be here a while longer yet.

 

Everything Lowe is doing is leading us towards being a copy of Crewe. With our stadium debts that is not a sustainable business plan.

 

I also guarantee when Lowe was doing his budgets for the season he was banking on higher attendances than 14,000.

[OldNick]

Everything Lowe is doing is leading us towards being a copy of Crewe. With our stadium debts that is not a sustainable business plan.

 

I also guarantee when Lowe was doing his budgets for the season he was banking on higher attendances than 14,000.

Now I can agree with that. If I was asked to budget pre season for crowd average I would have said 16-18k not the low ones at present.

I myself dont believe he is trying to make us like Crewe as that is not the way forward.He is doing what he is because the youngsters are on low wages compared to the old pro's and probably as able to equip themselves as well if not better for the wage bill we at this moment can afford. I think we are treading water while he gets the club back on a better financial footing (although difficult in the trading conditions) and hopefully the team will develop for next season after they have earnt their spurs at this level.Yes players will go but will be replaced by other starlets or if th money imroves a better quality of older player.

[saintjay77]

You're sort of proving my point. Lallana will not be here next season. Lowe is already excited at the prospect of selling him. Cork is not our player and will be gone. Any youngster who does well this season will leave. And then what? More youngsters? There is only one way this team is going and it's down. And we will run out of players to sell.

 

I can't wait for us to be the Crewe Alexandra of the south. It's just such an exciting prospect

 

But signing the kds up to 4 year contracts and most of them not having agents means that if we do need to sell them we have 2 years with them still at a higher value. So it looks to me that we are going to try and keep them as long as possible while excepting that they may be needed to ballance the books at some stage.

 

Should we do fairly well and the gates increase there will be less of a need to sell and more of a chance of our kids growing together into a better team.

 

I dont see us as another Crew and believe that for this policy to work we need to keep hold of our best players all be it they are just kids and encorrage the best younger kids to our club to have ready replacements should any of the current kids move on.

 

Cheepest system we have available but one that comes with allot of risks. If it works we will have a model to build on and do very well from.

 

If not we will jut prolong going bust which it seems we were not very far away from last season.

[SP Saint]

So where is the "jam tomorrow" coming from, and how do you intend to get to next season with plummeting attendances dragging the finances down this season ?

 

Sorry, assuming next season has to get better is completely stupid and is burying your head in the sand. Especially as anyone showing progress this season will be flogged in January or the summer, meaning back-to-square-one.

 

Sorry to say I agree with you on this alpine.

 

Clearly a lot of people aren't going to pay to see so called attractive football if we're not winning many matches.

 

If we continue near the bottom of the table this season, attendances will be low, the club will continue to lose money and we will be lucky to still have a club at the end of the season.

 

The aim has to be a top half finish this season in order to get the income that good gates produce, otherwise we won't survive.

[OldNick]

Sorry to say I agree with you on this alpine.

 

Clearly a lot of people aren't going to pay to see so called attractive football if we're not winning many matches.

 

If we continue near the bottom of the table this season, attendances will be low, the club will continue to lose money and we will be lucky to still have a club at the end of the season.

 

The aim has to be a top half finish this season in order to get the income that good gates produce, otherwise we won't survive.

It doesnt take a lot to work that out. The secret is providing jam when all the ingredients you have is fruit that is not ripe and your housekeeping is all gone.