TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 I am sorry, but I for one will never forgive Pardew for this!! And before any of you think I'm being too harsh, are you going to tell me we couldn't have won, or at least not lost that (and many other) game(s). The writing was on the wall as early as September - it was still there with goals in this particular period of games later and it's still glaringly apparent now. This is an absolutely massive strategic/tactical problem and the problem falls firmly at the feet of the manager!! This is 100% unnacceptable and 100% avoidable - okay we, in FACT, should I say 'he' did not learn and we let in soft, late goal to say, Millwall or whatever, but this was pompee FFS Does he not realise the enormity of the situation and the consequence to the egos, psyches, pride etc to us - Southampton people. Haven't we eaten enough excrement already? We have had what? About 40 games this year to learn to shut up shop at the hour mark. These late goals are the singlemost important reason or factor that we will not be PROMOTED, that we were ELIMINATED from the League Cup, KNOCKED OUT of the FA Cup and may lose in the JPT!! If you don't believe me then do some research. Your support has been beyond belief, our new ownership is the best, we have a powerful, good footballing set of players...and a coaching staff that need to get a clue!! Yet again we had a team by the balls and could not squeeze. Enough already, must do better. Don't look at the skates - Don't look at the refs - Don't even look at the players - Look firmly at Pardew and maybe Wilkens etc. The buck stops there. If you're feeling as bad as I am right now, sorry Alan, but you're the only reason why!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 You really feel like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Well, I wasn't sure about the Waigo substitution but he had taken a bang in the ribs and run his heart out, so I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt there. Otherwise, it wasn't AP's fault that James had a good game and some of our finishing was a bit soft. The team played well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo7 Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Shut up you ***. We went looking for a 2nd equiliser and they caught us on the break with there pace, it was always a danger that would happen. The fact is we should've taken our chances and didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Not too sure what Pardew should or could have done differently. Possibly stop Lambert from taking corners and freekicks that he really should have been on the end of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Regardless, this could be discussed on the post match thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Not too sure what Pardew should or could have done differently. Everything negative that has happened to us this year is because of one reason... and it is not the 10 points - not injuries - not lack of money or backing - not having to play nippers - not lack of fantastic support, but because AP has failed to address a problem that has been slapping him in the face for almost six months or about 40 games. Believe it, if we now go to Wembley and fail to win against a very average Carlisle, it will be because AP is strategically failing to address a major malfunction and they will score critically after the hour mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 stupid thread! they are prem sidem albeit a **** one. we held our own for much of it and unlucky not to be in front at half time, to blame AP is stupid to say the least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Everything negative that has happened to us this year is because of one reason... and it is not the 10 points - not injuries - not lack of money or backing - not having to play nippers - not lack of fantastic support, but because AP has failed to address a problem that has been slapping him in the face for almost six months or about 40 games. Believe it, if we now go to Wembley and fail to win against a very average Carlisle, it will be because AP is strategically failing to address a major malfunction and they will score critically after the hour mark. sorry, but you really are something else arentt you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Regardless, this could be discussed on the post match thread. Wrong - this is a season long problem FACT!! It should be JPT - post match and on the open threads FFS. With all due respect if you cannot see the enormity of this problem, then talk to someone that has coached/managed decent side or just wake up (no insult intended). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Sorry Tim, I think you are off the mark with this one. We needed to take advantage of our early pressure, that was the issue, not the counter-attacks from an inevitably pacy Premiership team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Tim - shut the f*ck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 sorry, but you really are something else arentt you That is what people who have no valid argument do - resort to wacky smileys and insults. With all due respect, there are none so blind as those that cannot see mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Sorry Tim, I think you are off the mark with this one. We needed to take advantage of our early pressure, that was the issue, not the counter-attacks from an inevitably pacy Premiership team. Sue - do some research, look at when we concede (probably) 80% of our goals and you'll understand what I have been posting about ALL SEASON!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_RLY Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Shut up you ***. We went looking for a 2nd equiliser and they caught us on the break with there pace, it was always a danger that would happen. The fact is we should've taken our chances and didn't Exactly. Original poster is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Shut up shop at 1 - 1 or 0 - 0? The point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Failed to address in what way? He bought a new defence, they need time to settle and most were cup tied. It is not the defence - it is when we concede goals, even with the new defence. Take a look, then tell me there is not a glaring pattern that goes back to September or even before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 That is what people who have no valid argument do - resort to wacky smileys and insults. With all due respect, there are none so blind as those that cannot see mate. no, bollix, the "wacky smiley" was there because i wost lost for words at your thread / comments. Just what exactly did you expect from a L1 side v a Prem side? We were better than them 1st half and were unlucky in 2nd half. 4-1 was undeserved (thats coming from them too btw) We played well and gave a good account of ourselves and all you can do is moan from across the pond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 It is not the defence - it is when we concede goals, even with the new defence. Take a look, then tell me there is not a glaring pattern that goes back to September or even before? haha it gets worse! So the main point of this thread is the time in which we concede! ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNik Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 I have never posted on here in the 8 years I've been reading this site however...... Tim, whilst I admire what you are doing for Ron Davies, your views on Saints and tactics are absolutely pathetic! You are one of the main reasons I don't listen to Radio Solent as you phone in and talk absolute dross when you haven't been to the game. We didn't want a replay today, we played about as well as we could and were beaten by a Premier League side. That's the reason we lost. Stop being so over dramatic with your knee jerk reactions. You may want to listen to peoples opinions who go to the games every week, for a balanced view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Shut up shop at 1 - 1 or 0 - 0? The point being? It's better to catch them on the break than have them do it to us FOUR LATE TIMES, that is the point tbf. We desperately need coaching, or at the very minimum a strategy that makes us aware of this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Your point (seemingly posted with smug glee) is wrong. You are talking sh*t. Stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Alert Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 I think you may have a little something pent up inside you. Perhaps you should realise that they are two leagues above us, and a better team than us. We needed to go for the equaliser or we would have been out anyway. And did we really need a replay in a cup we would never win?? They broke on us when we were pushing forward its what happens. No on blame Pards at all, I think the boys played well and made a good account of themselves, yes the scoreline was bad but they took the few chances they had whereas James made a few vital saves for them. No big shame in losing that game at all. Maybe when you calm down a bit you might realise that yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Sue - do some research, look at when we concede (probably) 80% of our goals and you'll understand what I have been posting about ALL SEASON!! 1st defeat of 2010 is to a Prem side! Flattered scoreline in which goals were scored counter attacking us. If we had shut up shop you would have been moaning that we were too negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Sue - do some research, look at when we concede (probably) 80% of our goals and you'll understand what I have been posting about ALL SEASON!! Sorry Tim disagree. We played well and were unfortunate in that we didn't take our chances and that. Their second goal was fortunate, the third and fourth counter attacks as we pressed forward to save the game. You seem to forget that they are a premier league side so please stop SHOUTING.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Exactly. Original poster is an idiot. Another poster with nothing to say, so just revert to insults mush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Regardless, this could be discussed on the post match thread. Not really, you can't say look at me. Where were you for the game today Tim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Wrong - this is a season long problem FACT!! It should be JPT - post match and on the open threads FFS. With all due respect if you cannot see the enormity of this problem, then talk to someone that has coached/managed decent side or just wake up (no insult intended). Sounds like an insult, tbh, and I fail to see how you can dress it up any other way, but you carry on, TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Another poster with nothing to say, so just revert to insults mush. lol probably because there are no words to describe the ****e that you are writing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Have to be honest,even though Pompey are **** the game today was a League One team against Premiership,and I couldn't help but think that as the game went on we'd tire and struggle to match their fitness and end up paying for it,and thats exactly what happened! We just didnt have the legs to prevent the last 2 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 haha it gets worse! So the main point of this thread is the time in which we concede! ffs Yes....absolutely, it is the time!! Nothing else, week-in-week-out we lose/draw game through conceding goals during a certain period of the game. Is it fitness?? Is it lack of concentration?? What is it...It is the coaching staff failing to be aware or addressing it, that is what it is. Should have been addressed in September when couldnl't buy a win, or when we were knocked out the LC then through Fall as we continued to allow it to happen...now we've lost to the one team we least want to because of it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Banana Factor Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Bear in mind its been a very early morning for Tim!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Just back and have to say you are a prize **** if you think that, anyone who criticises Pardew today needs to **** off. We WERE the better team, we did NOT deserve to lose. We were the team showing PASSION and we were the team who playing as a TEAM. The only reason they won is because Pompey hit their 300th long ball of the game which bounced in front of Perry, he slipped over, Dindane took a shot, it was going wide, it hit Kelvins leg and crept in off the post. That was the difference, 1 mistake. At that point we had to chase the game and push more bodies up field. They then pumped it long and hit us on the break twice. Pardew got it all spot on and got the boys playing with real desire and passion. The first half we were all over them and if it wasen't for James pulling off a couple of world class saves from Waigo and Lallana it would of been a different story. As for the Lambert taking set pieces thing, who else was going to take them? Harding had to stay back as he is the only defender with pace, what happens if he hits it and it goes to the 1st defender and they break? Lallana has not been effective from corners or free kicks. James was not there and Morgan has been poor too from them. I would of prefered Lambert in the box but i don't think we have anyone else on the pitch who can be as pin point as he can from crosses,free kicks. 2 of them which almost resulted in a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 TT, I think you're being incredibly harsh. Pardew has addressed the problem of letting in late goals. He has bought additional quality defenders and players across the squad, almost none of which could play today. As it happens, for most of the match, I thought 36 year old Chris Perry played a blinder, and Jaidi won everything in the air. What they lack is pace, which Pompey eventually exploited. But the simple fact was Pompey are a Premiership team, and today they were playing on a Premiership quality pitch. Not some bobbly field which levels the teams. Pompey may not be good enough for the long run in their league, but give them an inch and they'll turn it on at the level we're currently at. There's nothing wrong with being disappointed, but I certainly wouldn't be angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Sorry Tim, seems you're in a minority of one here. I admire your stubbornness on this point if you genuinely (obviously) believe it to be true, but think perhaps it's better to discuss in a day or so when emotions have died down. That said, I still doubt many will agree with you. I'm afraid I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Yes....absolutely, it is the time!! Nothing else, week-in-week-out we lose/draw game through conceding goals during a certain period of the game. Is it fitness?? Is it lack of concentration?? What is it...It is the coaching staff failing to be aware or addressing it, that is what it is. Should have been addressed in September when couldnl't buy a win, or when we were knocked out the LC then through Fall as we continued to allow it to happen...now we've lost to the one team we least want to because of it!! lol so today had nothing to do with the introduction of Quincy, or the fact that they are a prem side! we scored in amoungst your times but yet you fail to mention that, then at 1-1, of course we were going to go for it, what would you have them do? Put 11 men behind the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Obviously has some hidden agenda and knows nothing about football! Save it for your solent rants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_RLY Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 TT, I think you're being incredibly harsh. Pardew has addressed the problem of letting in late goals. He has bought additional quality defenders and players across the squad, almost none of which could play today. As it happens, for most of the match, I though 36 year old Chris Perry played a blinder, and Jaidi won everything in the air. What they lack is pace, which Pompey eventually exploited. But the simple fact was Pompey are a Premiership team, and today they were playing on a Premiership quality pitch. Not some bobbly field which levels the teams. Pompey may not be good enough for the long run in their league, but give them an inch and they'll turn it on at the level we're currently at. There's nothing wrong with being disappointed, but I certainly wouldn't be angry. Again, perfect summary...I'm gutted, but I can't see that we could have done much differently to be honest. They gave it their all, but in the end tired legs couldn't deal with Premiership pace. No shame in that, I doubt they will cease to exist as a club so there next time, we'll see how much further our team has come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O_RLY Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 By the way, did you go to the game Timothy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 I don't understand why some people are being so venomous on this thread. TT offered his view. Most people disagreed with it. Let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 So what you're saying is, ignore 66 out of 90 minutes-give no praise to any of the success shown in that period, and focus only only on the negatives to use that as the sole motivator to your reaction. Whatever floats your boat I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 If we concede goals in the first 20 minutes you get posters slating the way we start matches. If you concede before half time you get posters slating our lack of concentration before half time. Same goes for after half time. If you concede after the hour mark you get slated for not finishing matches well enough. When exactly do you suggest we concede? Welcome to football, teams score goals, they score them at various times of matches, if you are really that sad and look hard enough you will find something to slate. As for today, a little bit of class and composure finally found us out. All that hard work for 70/80 minutes caught up with us a little bit, especially when we started taking more risks to get ourselves a goal. **** happens. It's a gutting scoreline but the performance makes me proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Yes....absolutely, it is the time!! Nothing else, week-in-week-out we lose/draw game through conceding goals during a certain period of the game. Is it fitness?? Is it lack of concentration?? What is it...It is the coaching staff failing to be aware or addressing it, that is what it is. Should have been addressed in September when couldnl't buy a win, or when we were knocked out the LC then through Fall as we continued to allow it to happen...now we've lost to the one team we least want to because of it!! You are a complete arse!!!! Now lets address some points - THIS ISNT JUST A PROBLEM FOR SAINTS!! the most common time to concede is in the last 1/4 of a match. When we got knocked out of the LC we were playing a Premiership side and showed a very good account of ourselves, Today we were again playing a premiership side and despite the flattered scoreline we showed a great account of ourselves. You really need to take into context the level we play at, the skill level in the premiership is a huge jump for us so for us to compete in these matches we have to try and match the oppositions skill level with grit and detemination, so of course we will tire towards the end of a match. This isnt anything to do with Pardews tactics, all he can do is put out his best 11 and hope they work as hard as they can and do themselves proud as they did today. I am extremely proud of our boys today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 "We WERE the better team, we did NOT deserve to lose. We were the team showing PASSION and we were the team who playing as a TEAM." Agree!! But lost to 4 late goals, late goals!! Just like every other game or point we've dropped in the past 40 games...come on people it is transparent!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 "We WERE the better team, we did NOT deserve to lose. We were the team showing PASSION and we were the team who playing as a TEAM." Agree!! But lost to 4 late goals, late goals!! Just like every other game or point we've dropped in the past 40 games...come on people it is transparent!! Again.... you are a complete arse. You clearly have never played the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 13 February, 2010 Author Share Posted 13 February, 2010 By the way, did you go to the game Timothy? I watched it, I am watching again, I have seen numerous replays and guess what? We still fall foul to not one but four LATE sucker punches, what about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Again.... you are a complete arse. You clearly have never played the game. Now just a cotton-picking minute, SD, Tim coaches a girls' team in the USA, I'll have you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 I am sorry, but I for one will never forgive Pardew for this!! And before any of you think I'm being too harsh, are you going to tell me we couldn't have won, or at least not lost that (and many other) game(s). The writing was on the wall as early as September - it was still there with goals in this particular period of games later and it's still glaringly apparent now. This is an absolutely massive strategic/tactical problem and the problem falls firmly at the feet of the manager!! This is 100% unnacceptable and 100% avoidable - okay we, in FACT, should I say 'he' did not learn and we let in soft, late goal to say, Millwall or whatever, but this was pompee FFS Does he not realise the enormity of the situation and the consequence to the egos, psyches, pride etc to us - Southampton people. Haven't we eaten enough excrement already? We have had what? About 40 games this year to learn to shut up shop at the hour mark. These late goals are the singlemost important reason or factor that we will not be PROMOTED, that we were ELIMINATED from the League Cup, KNOCKED OUT of the FA Cup and may lose in the JPT!! If you don't believe me then do some research. Your support has been beyond belief, our new ownership is the best, we have a powerful, good footballing set of players...and a coaching staff that need to get a clue!! Yet again we had a team by the balls and could not squeeze. Enough already, must do better. Don't look at the skates - Don't look at the refs - Don't even look at the players - Look firmly at Pardew and maybe Wilkens etc. The buck stops there. If you're feeling as bad as I am right now, sorry Alan, but you're the only reason why!! Completely over the top reaction, Tim you are usually quite sensible. Completely outclassed Premiership team for 50 minutes and should have been 2 or 3 up, but for some poor finishing and one or two saves by England's #1. Great reaction when Pompey scored. Their second wasn't even particularly late, we were still going for the win. The 3rd and 4th were down to going balls out for an equaliser. I seriously think you need to have a word with yourself and see that in fact we were ****ing good today. 3rd division v 1st division and it was difficult to tell which was which, but individual skill told in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Donovan Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Completely over the top reaction, Tim you are usually quite sensible. Completely outclassed Premiership team for 50 minutes and should have been 2 or 3 up, but for some poor finishing and one or two saves by England's #1. Great reaction when Pompey scored. Their second wasn't even particularly late, we were still going for the win. The 3rd and 4th were down to going balls out for an equaliser. I seriously think you need to have a word with yourself and see that in fact we were ****ing good today. 3rd division v 1st division and it was difficult to tell which was which, but individual skill told in the end. +1 completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 February, 2010 Share Posted 13 February, 2010 Just something to clear up first Tim; were you at the match, or were you listening to it across the pond? OK, you're gutted. We all are. But I for one was proud of every single player on that pitch today.They gave their all and for the majoirty of the match they were the better side. Naturally, not hearing the commentary on the radio, or watching it on the telly, I do not know what the commentators opinion of it all was, but I'm prepared to put money on it that at some stage or other, quite well into the match, they will have stated that if one didn't know which team was which, most would have guessed that we were the Premiership outfit. I also suspect that even when we had equalised, the pundits might have thought that we could go on and win it. Console yourself that in a weeks time, the Skates will probably cease to exist. It would have been nice for their last match to have been a defeat to us, but we will soon have swapped places with them, they probably having been reduced to a level below Eastleigh and Havant . It will take them years to get back, with their crap stadium, with any of their quality players having been sold. In case you had not realised it, this wasn't the team that we could have played if we had put out our best team, it was the team that we had at the beginning of the season, as some other players who might have produced a different result were either cup-tied or injured. Personally, it is my opinion that Fonte for Perry and Murty for Thomas and Connolly up front with Lambert might have won the game for us. So I cannot see that any blame attaches to Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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