Jimmy_D Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 That's a matter of opinion rather than fact... Anyway, happy modding and get well soon. I too have the man flu :-) That's the trouble, anyone that's seen Brass Eye will have picked it up, a number of people haven't, and found the post offensive enough to report it. There was nothing to suggest the post was parody or satire itself, or that it was being quoted from somewhere, and it obviously came across as though they were Hypo's own words to some people. Basically, to put it in football terms, Hypo was probably trying to get the ball, but he went in with both feet, studs showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Unfortunately for you, Brass Eye is racist itself Sorry, Jimmy, but this isn't a matter of interprative difference. Brass Eye is spoof, parody, comment on exactly the kind of reactionary rubbish that causes half the moral panics in the world. It is categorically not racist, it actively mocks racism and so on. Maybe irony isn't a strong point of yours, I don't know, but based on that view of it, I honestly can't believe you are best placed to pass judgement on things like this. Mods surely need to have some level of cultural awareness, emotional intelligence and a vague ability to understand meanings and messages that are relayed in a manner beyond the most simple? I mean, have you even seen the show? Do you not understand the social context within which it exists? Of course I shall respect your position as a mod, and given the way in which the quote was used I do support the infraction. It wasn't made clear to anyone that it was a quote, and so can be punished as you say - a poor challenge, if innocently meant. But.. I am genuinely baffled by that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 The quote he used was from the 'cake' episode, and was used without the context of Brass Eye, and yes, it was racist. I haven't said that racism is ok in The Muppet Show, I've suggested that discussing an extreme comedy show would be more appropriate in there. As for Brass Eye's racism being ok in The Muppet Show, discussing that in context would be ok. Using the quote verbatim without context so that it could be described as racist itself still wouldn't be. I hope this clears up my reasoning for you. I don't like Hypo but this is ridiculous. Who is Jimmy D anyway and why is he now a Mod? He comes across as a complete tool (maybe that explains it). Maybe, Hypo, you are starting to see what I was getting at on my 'Mainboard' thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Sorry, Jimmy, but this isn't a matter of interprative difference. Brass Eye is spoof, parody, comment on exactly the kind of reactionary rubbish that causes half the moral panics in the world. It is categorically not racist, it actively mocks racism and so on. Maybe irony isn't a strong point of yours, I don't know, but based on that view of it, I honestly can't believe you are best placed to pass judgement on things like this. Mods surely need to have some level of cultural awareness, emotional intelligence and a vague ability to understand meanings and messages that are relayed in a manner beyond the most simple? I mean, have you even seen the show? Do you not understand the social context within which it exists? Of course I shall respect your position as a mod, and given the way in which the quote was used I do support the infraction. It wasn't made clear to anyone that it was a quote, and so can be punished as you say - a poor challenge, if innocently meant. But.. I am genuinely baffled by that comment. Sorry, yeah, I know, it's parodying it, point taken. However, taken out of context, as it was used at the time, it's racist. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Jimmy, don't bow to these "people". I bet none of them would say what they're saying on here to your face. Stick to your guns - Hypo was racist and needed to be punished. He was punished and that was fair and we should all move on. Don't let Hypo turn this into a "woe is me" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 He reported me for spelling his name with a U instead of an E.Same, I only received a warning though so lol@dulldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Who is Jimmy D anyway and why is he now a Mod? He comes across as a complete tool (maybe that explains it). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afP7tTnPrsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 I know. Jimmy D, this was your first trial as a Mod and you, umm, lost. It will take a while for people to take you seriously as a Mod again. If ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 I know. Thank f*ck for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Well, after me explaining my position, some people seem to be, umm, accepting it? I'll never be able to please everyone, so this'll have to do I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Well, after me explaining my position, some people seem to be, umm, accepting it? I'll never be able to please everyone, so this'll have to do I guess. Dont try to please anyone, that way no one will be disapointed, just look at Baj, he doesn't but is arguably the most successful moderator in forum history with a what? unbroken record of 7-8 years of moderating. He has become like that world weary teacher every school had and all the kids hated and his role has become a life sentance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Well, after me explaining my position, some people seem to be, umm, accepting it? I'll never be able to please everyone, so this'll have to do I guess. Don't let the likes of Hypo, Robsk or Atticus bully you, Jimmy. You're doing a great job. You identified a racist post and acting on it, in accordance with SWF rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Don't let the likes of Hypo, Robsk or Atticus bully you, Jimmy. You're doing a great job. You identified a racist post and acting on it, in accordance with SWF rules. What was the post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 That's the trouble, anyone that's seen Brass Eye will have picked it up, a number of people haven't, and found the post offensive enough to report it. There was nothing to suggest the post was parody or satire itself, or that it was being quoted from somewhere, and it obviously came across as though they were Hypo's own words to some people. Basically, to put it in football terms, Hypo was probably trying to get the ball, but he went in with both feet, studs showing. Like the analogy :-) The 'difference of opinion' I was trying to highlight was not whether some people took it at face value compared to some who knew that it was a quote from a TV programme. The difference of opinion I'm highlighting is how one then deals with the 'aftermath'. One opinion is that you approach the person who made the remark and ask them whether they meant to make a racist remark and when they've explained let it go. The other opinion is that you assume they meant it as a self authored racist remark and penalise it without prior consultation. I run a forum and tend to take the more pragmatic 'benefit of the doubt' version of the above two approaches. As I say, two different opinions as to how to moderate a message board. Both as valid as each other. Just depends what sort of relationship you want to forge with your regular users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Originally Posted by hypochondriac It was a brass eye quote to poke fun at the people who were suggesting that drugs were not addictive. Admittedly I didn't make it as clear as I should have but then that would have ruined the point of posting it. Anyway I have explained the misunderstanding to the new mods so hopefully things will be sorted. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Although I didn't report Hypochondriacs post (and I have never reported any posts) I did find his post a little distasteful and racist. If he is happy posting racist comments then sobeit, but maybe he should try another forum where his views are more accepted? http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/forums/index.php?board=47.0 if we're being that picky, you could equally say that posting a link to a racist site is in itself a racist comment. And hypo has made it clear that they arent his views, it was a quote from a satirical comedy show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 if we're being that picky, you could equally say that posting a link to a racist site is in itself a racist comment. And hypo has made it clear that they arent his views, it was a quote from a satirical comedy show. except it wasn't a quote...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 if we're being that picky, you could equally say that posting a link to a racist site is in itself a racist comment. And hypo has made it clear that they arent his views, it was a quote from a satirical comedy show. What? Making reference to racist people and racost websites is in itself racist? I don't wish to get any infractions after my recent time on the sidelines, so you'll have to fill in the gaps here yourself - you are a **c**** id**t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Ahhhhh, this takes me back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Ahhhhh, this takes me back. cant you infract them all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Dont try to please anyone, that way no one will be disapointed, just look at Baj, he doesn't but is arguably the most successful moderator in forum history with a what? unbroken record of 7-8 years of moderating. He has become like that world weary teacher every school had and all the kids hated and his role has become a life sentance. mr turkish, going back to page 1, i have just realised that a mate of mine has a nickname - turkish, and is a tall slaphead. i shall find out this weekend if he has his name on a saints shirt....exciting times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 We do this voluntarily Do you mean you don't get paid? That's interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Are you saying you used to get paid Ponty? I thought SWF was making some money with all the subscriptions. So who is getting all the dosh now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Are you saying you used to get paid Ponty? I thought SWF was making some money with all the subscriptions. So who is getting all the dosh now then? Who said he got paid with money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 How else would you get paid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 How else would you get paid? the way george michael pays his special friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 I chose the SWF company car rather than the salary tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 the way george michael pays his special friends That is actually quite offensive. I don't like racism and I don't like homophobia, but equally I don't like reporting posts - so count yourself lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 I chose the SWF company car rather than the salary tbf. Ohhh, the 15 year old Daihatsu Charade? The things that car saw at the annual SWF Tour of Debauchery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 What? Making reference to racist people and racost websites is in itself racist? I don't wish to get any infractions after my recent time on the sidelines, so you'll have to fill in the gaps here yourself - you are a **c**** id**t I said "if we're being that picky", then enlarged on that by pointing out that quoting a comedy show which satirises racism doesnt make the person quoting it a racist. Nor does saying so make me a **c**** id**t, I'm not the one that got banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 How else would you get paid? vegetables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 except it wasn't a quote...... ....and yes, it was. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0531317/quotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Like the analogy :-) The 'difference of opinion' I was trying to highlight was not whether some people took it at face value compared to some who knew that it was a quote from a TV programme. The difference of opinion I'm highlighting is how one then deals with the 'aftermath'. One opinion is that you approach the person who made the remark and ask them whether they meant to make a racist remark and when they've explained let it go. The other opinion is that you assume they meant it as a self authored racist remark and penalise it without prior consultation. I run a forum and tend to take the more pragmatic 'benefit of the doubt' version of the above two approaches. As I say, two different opinions as to how to moderate a message board. Both as valid as each other. Just depends what sort of relationship you want to forge with your regular users. I agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Ponty did you ever go ghost hunting with baj and his mates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Ponty did you ever go ghost hunting with baj and his mates? Hanging out with people dressed in white sheets is more your sort of thing, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 I said "if we're being that picky", then enlarged on that by pointing out that quoting a comedy show which satirises racism doesnt make the person quoting it a racist. Nor does saying so make me a **c**** id**t, I'm not the one that got banned. But posting a link to a racist website is racist? That's what you said - is that what you believe or are you going to admit it was a silly thing to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Can i get out of my infraction points please ?? I was only quoting something and never meant it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 ....and yes, it was. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0531317/quotes "v. quot·ed, quot·ing, quotes v.tr. 1. To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source." Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Hanging out with people dressed in white sheets is more your sort of thing, surely? What people would they be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 It was a quote. I should have made it more obvious that it was but then after I explained the situation it would have been nice if a little common sense were used rather than an arrogant response via pm. Still it doesn't really matter, but nice to see that a few can see my point of view even if they think I am a **** the majority of the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 "v. quot·ed, quot·ing, quotes v.tr. 1. To repeat or copy the words of (another), usually with acknowledgment of the source." Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quote That would work apart from the use of the word usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 3 November, 2010 mr turkish, going back to page 1, i have just realised that a mate of mine has a nickname - turkish, and is a tall slaphead. i shall find out this weekend if he has his name on a saints shirt....exciting times Bugger, i go on holiday saturday so may have to wait over a week for the answer. I may cancel my trip...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 Still it doesn't really matter That's why you've been crying about it for the past few days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 That would work apart from the use of the word usually. Fail..... u·su·al (yzh-l) adj. 1. Commonly encountered, experienced, or observed: the usual summer heat. 2. Regularly or customarily used: ended the speech with the usual expressions of thanks. 3. In conformity with regular practice or procedure: Come at the usual time. Source : http://www.thefreedictionary.com/usually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 So? Usually means normally but with some exceptions. Usually a quote would have a source but sometimes (as in this case) I did not post it. Hopefully in the future you will employ a bit more common sense if you have to deal with something similar in the future. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 So? Usually means normally but with some exceptions. Usually a quote would have a source but sometimes (as in this case) I did not post it. Hopefully in the future I will employ a bit more common sense so you don't have to deal with something similar in the future. Hopefully. I have edited it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 So? Usually means normally but with some exceptions. Usually a quote would have a source but sometimes (as in this case) I did not post it. Hopefully in the future you will employ a bit more common sense if you have to deal with something similar in the future. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 That's why you've been crying about it for the past few days? Ever since you've been back you've been sucking up to the new mods in equal measure. I think your plan is better than hypos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 There's no sucking up going o here Dune. It's just that I don't like racism and think it should be challenged whenever we have the chance. Don't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 3 November, 2010 Share Posted 3 November, 2010 There's no sucking up going o here Dune. It's just that I don't like racism and think it should be challenged whenever we have the chance. Don't you agree? I disagree - you've been sucking up big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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