georgeweahscousin Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 ......are the scummiest in all of football. I despise them more than I do Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 ......are the scummiest in all of football. I despise them more than I do Pompey. That statement covers both sides of the footballing side of Glasgow. An extremely unfortunate incident, the club are going to give life bans to the fans who were "involved". Does holding up the banner count as involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 agreed, Dispicable w**kers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I absolutely despise Celtic FC and its scum fans. I hate the f***ing scum more than Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 And their spelling is terrible as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Banning someone for expressing a legitimate opinion? Really? Those actions are far more dangerous and short-sighted than any macho posturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 And their spelling is terrible as well. LOL. oh yeah. Shame on me for not noticing that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 In fairness to the Celtic fans though JJSaint and GWC aren't you over generalising just a little here? Or is there an anti Irish slant to the postings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Banning someone for expressing a legitimate opinion? Really? Those actions are far more dangerous and short-sighted than any macho posturing. Legitimate yes, but also highly inflamatory in Glasgow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Legitimate yes, but also highly inflamatory in Glasgow. Indeed. I suppose if the club genuinely thought it could cause some sort of serious disorder than a banning might be a legitimate response but I think we are losing the ability to be offended in this country. There is nothing wrong with being outraged occasionally. Not every affront demands a reactionary response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Banning someone for expressing a legitimate opinion? Really? Those actions are far more dangerous and short-sighted than any macho posturing. Arguably promoting racial hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Arguably promoting racial hatred. Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I've always hated Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 9 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 November, 2010 In fairness to the Celtic fans though JJSaint and GWC aren't you over generalising just a little here? Or is there an anti Irish slant to the postings? Not at all. I don't think Irish people in general have anything against the poppy or remembrance Sunday? These aren't Irish people anyway, these are Scottish people. It is the anti British attitude of Celtic fans that disgusts me, and the fact that they continuously get away with being pro terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political. So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 9 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political. I couldn't disagree with you more to be honest. The poppy is in memory of the soldiers who laid down their lives, nothing to do with the reasons for war or the politicians who make those decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I wear my poppy to remember those who have given their lives for our freedom, and to remember those who continue to give their lives for our country. It's not a political statement. It's an act of remembrance. Lest We Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Exactly .... it's all about the soldiers that have served in Wars, not about the politicians who happen to be in power at any given time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Londoner Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I wear my poppy to remember those who have given their lives for our freedom, and to remember those who continue to give their lives for our country. It's not a political statement. It's an act of remembrance. Lest We Forget. What he said ! I think that the Iraq War was wrong and I marched in protest against it at the time. That doesn't stop me wearing a poppy each year. As R&W91 says, it's about Remembrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do. One of the few times i'll agree with you. My only problem with the Iraq war was the cost and whether it'd be an economically profitable venture for the UK. I think our participation was wrong in this respect as we don't seem to have benefited much compared to American companies, but the end result is better for the people of Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeweahscousin Posted 9 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Let's not kid ourselves that the agenda of these Celtic "fans" has anything to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Not at all. I don't think Irish people in general have anything against the poppy or remembrance Sunday? These aren't Irish people anyway, these are Scottish people. It is the anti British attitude of Celtic fans that disgusts me, and the fact that they continuously get away with being pro terrorism. Fair enough, I do know some England fans that have Celtic because of their Irish connections and the links to causes some of the fans agree with. As it happens, they ought to remember that Irish citizens died in the world wars and no doubt still do to this day fighting in the British army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do. On that simple logic then no doubt we will be invading China, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma, Sudan, Nigeria, Iran etc.... soon and you will support all those offensives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I wear my poppy to remember those who have given their lives for our freedom, and to remember those who continue to give their lives for our country. It's not a political statement. It's an act of remembrance. Lest We Forget. It's inherently political. It is an act of meek surrender to the power-mongers who start these things in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Racial? Really? There are probably quite a few people in England with similar feelings. The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". That is facile and ignorant. Any ostentatious statement is political. I read an awful lot of nonsense on this forum and rarely bother to respond but this statement is as ridiculous as it is offensive. I can't believe you really meant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I read an awful lot of nonsense on this forum and rarely bother to respond but this statement is as ridiculous as it is offensive. I can't believe you really meant it. Why? The British Legion are not a force for peace. They care for people who need help which, in itself, is a nice thing. The fact that those people are former soldiers doesn't make any difference - it is still a nice charitable thing and I wouldn't suggest they don't do good work. But, the displaying of a token is inherently jingoistic and has evident regimental connotations. There is no need for such ostentation and it does nothing to foster peace, which is surely the answer. Like it or not, parades, tokenism, totemism, ceremony are perpetuating acts and cannot be engaged in passively. That's not to say the Celtic fans were anything other than offensive and that their actions were "good" but the argument should not be brushed under the carpet just because it interferes with peoples' desires to show everyone how nice and charitable they are and be a part of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Why? The British Legion are not a force for peace. They care for people who need help which, in itself, is a nice thing. The fact that those people are former soldiers doesn't make any difference - it is still a nice charitable thing and I wouldn't suggest they don't do good work. But, the displaying of a token is inherently jingoistic and has evident regimental connotations. There is no need for such ostentation and it does nothing to foster peace, which is surely the answer. Like it or not, parades, tokenism, totemism, ceremony are perpetuating acts and cannot be engaged in passively. That's not to say the Celtic fans were anything other than offensive and that their actions were "good" but the argument should not be brushed under the carpet just because it interferes with peoples' desires to show everyone how nice and charitable they are and be a part of something. You must be far more intelligent than me because to be quite honest I haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Every club has it's share of small minded bigoted idiots like these. I have to say i know quite a few Celtic fans, friends and relatives and they all hate the religious bigots that still sadly exist amongst a minority of the old firm teams support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 The MoD is the biggest employer in Scotland... Wish we would pull out completely then watch them squirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 The MoD is the biggest employer in Scotland... Wish we would pull out completely then watch them squirm Why because of the actions of a few idiots at a football game? or maybe your hatred of scottish people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Why because of the actions of a few idiots at a football game? or maybe your hatred of scottish people? I have stayed all over Scotland... Spent months in Glasgow There is a real resentment of the english and the many places, the armed forces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Why? The British Legion are not a force for peace. They care for people who need help which, in itself, is a nice thing. The fact that those people are former soldiers doesn't make any difference - it is still a nice charitable thing and I wouldn't suggest they don't do good work. But, the displaying of a token is inherently jingoistic and has evident regimental connotations. There is no need for such ostentation and it does nothing to foster peace, which is surely the answer. Like it or not, parades, tokenism, totemism, ceremony are perpetuating acts and cannot be engaged in passively. That's not to say the Celtic fans were anything other than offensive and that their actions were "good" but the argument should not be brushed under the carpet just because it interferes with peoples' desires to show everyone how nice and charitable they are and be a part of something. You must be far more intelligent than me because to be quite honest I haven't got a clue what you are talking about. To be fair I don't think he has either. Benjii's argument makes about as much sense as saying we shouldn't ignore people who try and stop others from wearing those red ribbons on World Aids Day because by doing so they are encouraging homosexuality. Poppies are a way of showing support for soldiers who are in a position to need our help because they have become injured/disabled/whatever whilst serving our country. Doesn't matter if it happened in a world war, The Falklands, Iraq or a training exercise, the soldier is affected just the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 On that simple logic then no doubt we will be invading China, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma, Sudan, Nigeria, Iran etc.... soon and you will support all those offensives? I wouldn't have a problem if the UN passed a resolution that created offensives against these kinds of government. The action would have to be proportionate though and have a reasonable chance of success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 A more reasonable compromise would be to demand that they have a white poppy on the kit, as that doesn't have the Unionist connotations of the red poppy. TBH I can see their point, but they've made themselves look like w*nkers by just being blindly oppositional rather than looking for a solution that's best for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 A more reasonable compromise would be to demand that they have a white poppy on the kit, as that doesn't have the Unionist connotations of the red poppy. TBH I can see their point, but they've made themselves look like w*nkers by just being blindly oppositional rather than looking for a solution that's best for everyone. And herein lies the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 A more reasonable compromise would be to demand that they have a white poppy on the kit, as that doesn't have the Unionist connotations of the red poppy. TBH I can see their point, but they've made themselves look like w*nkers by just being blindly oppositional rather than looking for a solution that's best for everyone. Nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 That group of Celtic fans are just another bunch of mongs jumping on the Political Correct mongs trying to get us to stop wearing poppies There is a cancer in this country that is spreading to get the poppy banned as they believe it gloirifies war. ******** to them C**ts. If it was for those that laid down their lifes these C**ts wouldnt have the free speech to come out with such offensive remarks and comments The Poppy is a symbol of remembrance . Lest we forget and as John McCrae wrote In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I see where your coming from Mao but the white poppy was worn by pacifists, Socialist and CND perhaps you would like to see different coloured poppies being worn Pink , green, Blue You need to read my post above re Flanders Fields and realise what the red Poppy actual symbolises. it does not have unionist connotations The French , Belgiums , Canadians Their will be rembrances services and parades in those country its not exclusive to the UK As an ex soldier of 42 years I find it very offensive that people what to denigrate the poppy for political purposes We will remember them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I see where your coming from Mao but the white poppy was worn by pacifists, Socialist and CND perhaps you would like to see different coloured poppies being worn Pink , green, Blue You need to read my post above re Flanders Fields and realise what the red Poppy actual symbolises. it does not have unionist connotations The French , Belgiums , Canadians Their will be rembrances services and parades in those country its not exclusive to the UK As an ex soldier of 42 years I find it very offensive that people what to denigrate the poppy for political purposes We will remember them I agree with you, HOWEVER, I'm sure they would draw your attention to Ireland and 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 celtic have a ginger manager who has dyed his blonde in the past, say no more. They are ****s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Are the British Legion's coffers being effected by the younger generation's propensity towards the newer 'sexier' Help for Heroes charity I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 This should be a reminder to anyone considering Celtic and Rangers joining the PL - this is the sort of b******t that you have to put up with when you allow the old firm in. They should never, ever be invited to join the PL or the FL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I couldn't disagree with you more to be honest. The poppy is in memory of the soldiers who laid down their lives, nothing to do with the reasons for war or the politicians who make those decisions. This is the correct understanding of the wearing of the poppy ! Having worked with many different nationalities (including Germans!) the significance to intelligent people is clear, to others (like Benji) they find reason to twist it ! Sorry to say, but I am saddened by this ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I'm not trying to twist anything, merely positing another angle for people to think about. My view is that raising money for people who need help is generally a good thing. I also feel the value of "remembrance" is somewhat undermined by surrounding it with militaristic pomp and circumstance which only underlines our propensity to keep subjecting people to the **** of war ad infinitum; unless of course you believe our current wars are just, in which case it makes perfect sense. That is the point - pure remembrance does not need mass ostentation which can only ever be inherently political. I'm not trying to offend and not saying people should not choose to participate in the appeal if they wish. And simply saying something is "politically correct" is hardly a devastating argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 Up the Gers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 So allowing a tyrannical sadist to continue gassing, torturing and killing huge numbers of his people is preferable is it? Getting rid of Saddam and his regime was the correct thing to do. Lol, and you think any of those factors were the reasons we went to war? The west was quite happy with Saddam at the height of his evil. It was about appeasing the US electorate who wanted to kick (anyone's) arse in the wake of 911 and securing oil and influence for the US in the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 I'm not trying to twist anything, merely positing another angle for people to think about. My view is that raising money for people who need help is generally a good thing. I also feel the value of "remembrance" is somewhat undermined by surrounding it with militaristic pomp and circumstance which only underlines our propensity to keep subjecting people to the **** of war ad infinitum; unless of course you believe our current wars are just, in which case it makes perfect sense. That is the point - pure remembrance does not need mass ostentation which can only ever be inherently political. I'm not trying to offend and not saying people should not choose to participate in the appeal if they wish. And simply saying something is "politically correct" is hardly a devastating argument. Likewise, I do not support anything purely for reasons of 'political correctness' but the Poppy appeal has been in existence for decades (long before the Falklands, Iraq and Afghanistan!) and I feel that it is a genuine symbol of remembrance and should be applauded rather than questioned by those with little or no knowledge of what real sacrifice actually entails ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 November, 2010 Share Posted 9 November, 2010 The Iraq war is ****ing disgusting and the Afghan war is utterly futile. If you wear a red poppy then by implication you are supporting that whether you like it or not IMO. You can't just say "it's about the soldiers". what a load of ********. Wearing the poppy and remembering the actions of the likes of my great grandad and my grandad in the two world wars does in no way constitute backing for our current and recent foreign policy. If you choosew to make that link that is your choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 On that simple logic then no doubt we will be invading China, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma, Sudan, Nigeria, Iran etc.... soon and you will support all those offensives? Only when it suits us Benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 what a load of ********. Wearing the poppy and remembering the actions of the likes of my great grandad and my grandad in the two world wars does in no way constitute backing for our current and recent foreign policy. If you choosew to make that link that is your choice. Quite. I am glad that you differentiate between the army and the government. It isn't the army who chooses where to fight, and I think that people will find that the army were VERY anti-war in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is why Support the Troops started, to draw awareness to the fact that they have no choice. So the Celtic fans are being incredibly stooopid, and as someone pointed out, most of them no doubt voted for Labour who are 100% responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now