Wikileaks now going after a Bank

[Thedelldays]

apparently the "list" was offered up to the americans to censor if they wished but it was ignored as the information was common knowledge anyway, and not sensitive.

 

The mainstream media are hyping it all up and thus turning it into something more dangerous than it is. As usual

that simply...is not true

[GenevaSaint]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/07/wikileaks_assange_arrested/

 

Assange arrested this morning.

[CB Saint]

Interesting that as soon as he threatens a bank the finance industry close ranks. paypal, visa and mastercard have all withdrawn service and a swiss bank has suspend his funds.

[franny]

apparently the "list" was offered up to the americans to censor if they wished but it was ignored as the information was common knowledge anyway, and not sensitive.

 

The mainstream media are hyping it all up and thus turning it into something more dangerous than it is. As usual

 

 

 

bull sh it

[hamster]

Why was there not this furore around the BNP list expose?

 

Maybe on a different level but that still put some people's wellbeing in jeapardy and one could argue that it was a gross intrusion on people's rights to hold their own views.

 

Please don;t take thsi wrong but someone I work with said the other day that they found it most ironic that "soldiers lives are now at risk! Der!!!"

[Thedelldays]

Why was there not this furore around the BNP list expose?

 

Maybe on a different level but that still put some people's wellbeing in jeapardy and one could argue that it was a gross intrusion on people's rights to hold their own views.

 

Please don;t take thsi wrong but someone I work with said the other day that they found it most ironic that "soldiers lives are now at risk! Der!!!"

it was all over the papers when that list got published..and many people lost their jobs for supporting a legal political party.....democracy and free speech eh.

[hamster]

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hope I didnee upset you the other day mate?

 

I kow a couple of BNP (ex NF to boot) members and despite their nutty stances on subjects that I would otherwise find abominable, they are actually very nice people.

[Thedelldays]

So, the Lockerbie bomber was not freed on compassionate grounds with only "months" to live

 

Shocker

[Verbal]

So, the Lockerbie bomber was not freed on compassionate grounds with only "months" to live

 

Shocker

 

Of course. Legal systems are infinitely manipulable by political forces. Ask Assange, sitting in a detention cell.

[View From The Top]

that simply...is not true

 

Hilary Clinton is on record saying they were offered a full set to redact but refused. She stated it in the news conference when the story broke.

 

I'm guessing the Secretary Of State knows if the US government said no or not, as it was her call.

[badgerx16]

So, the Lockerbie bomber was not freed on compassionate grounds with only "months" to live

That all depends on whether you accept what the leaked document infers, that Westminster was leaning on the devolved administration in Edinburgh to act in the UK's wider interests, or you accept what Alex Salmond says, that the Scottish Assembly acted entirely on humanitarian grounds and within it's devolved powers, in a situation where the UK Foreign Secretary had no remit to interfere.

[franny]

That all depends on whether you accept what the leaked document infers, that Westminster was leaning on the devolved administration in Edinburgh to act in the UK's wider interests, or you accept what Alex Salmond says, that the Scottish Assembly acted entirely on humanitarian grounds and within it's devolved powers, in a situation where the UK Foreign Secretary had no remit to interfere.

 

I think those from the left or right accept the contents of the leaks when it suits their agenda or question them when it doesn't. As with so much on here most people know very little about the actual facts it is mainly just their opinion based on who they want to believe today. For me all it does is confirm my opinion (based on some facts and some feelings) that man (or woman, phew! ) will tell lies or cheat when it suits and the political man is probably the most shameless and well practised at this.

I find this whole tit for tat debate very boring now. There is so little difference between the main parties it is hardly worth bothering, you cant believe anything they tell you unless you can see and test it yourself. The only area where the is clear blue water is if you compare the main parties to UKIP, BNP or some of the Socialist groupings however if you say that any of their policies make sense in your mind you are immediately branded a racist or from the loony left and the pack mentality takes over to belittle your views. Free thoughts and speech has I am afraid gone in this country. As a young person I spent many a Sunday afternoon at Speakers corner listening to some pretty crazy people but within some of that there was a nugget that made sense however today many of those people would be carted off for any xxxism or xxxphobia you care to mention.

[Wade Garrett]

On the radio a few days ago, ( I think it was Friday ), his British lawyer said that the Police, the US authorities, the Swedish state prosecutor, and several 'interested' journalists and foreign lawyers were all aware of where he was, but nobody seemed to be actively pursuing any legal action. It was also stated that the Swedish prosecutor had specifically reiterated, at that time, that her view was that there was no case to answer, as had been ruled in August. Subsequently, mysteriously, interest has apparently been renewed.

 

Another conspiracy theory (and I'm not rubbishing yours), is that he has been refused bail so that our country can protect him against assassination. Just another way of looking at it, although I am pretty sure that your scenario is a lot nearer the truth.

 

It's depressing isn't it.

[Verbal]

Assange now out of jail, happily. Carry on leaking...

[Thedelldays]

Assange now out of jail, happily. Carry on leaking...

 

err..no he is not

[aintforever]

I can't believe he has been locked up, the charges against him are daft. So so corrupt.

[Verbal]

err..no he is not

 

It seems not. The games people play.

[franny]

I know nothing of the facts of his case in Sweden he may or may not have a case to answer but am I the only person who smiled at the irony of his statement on TV where he "deplored the illegal leaks from the Swedish prosecutors" ref his case. Live by the leak, die by the leak!

[Jonnyboy]

I know nothing of the facts of his case in Sweden he may or may not have a case to answer but am I the only person who smiled at the irony of his statement on TV where he "deplored the illegal leaks from the Swedish prosecutors" ref his case. Live by the leak, die by the leak!

 

bull sh it

[ericb]

Personally i think Assange should be more worried about leaks regarding Russia, if anyone thinks the US are going after him then Putin won't worry about little things like law or international jurisdiction.

 

Interesting to see the normal right wingers are against the leaks too, i personally see no reason why this information shouldn't be in the public domain. We are more than capable of making up our own minds when it comes to information in my opinion and don't need any government "protecting" us from things they don't see fit for us to know.

[franny]

bull sh it

 

To what are you referring? Case in Sweden, the orony, me smiling, his TV statement ...........

[Jonnyboy]

To what are you referring? Case in Sweden, the orony, me smiling, his TV statement ...........

 

To what were you refering?

 

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Originally Posted by

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apparently the "list" was offered up to the americans to censor if they wished but it was ignored as the information was common knowledge anyway, and not sensitive.

 

The mainstream media are hyping it all up and thus turning it into something more dangerous than it is. As usual

 

 

 

 

 

bull sh it

 

 

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To what were you refering?

 

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Originally Posted by

Jonnyboy

apparently the "list" was offered up to the americans to censor if they wished but it was ignored as the information was common knowledge anyway, and not sensitive.

 

The mainstream media are hyping it all up and thus turning it into something more dangerous than it is. As usual

 

 

 

 

 

bull sh it

 

 

 

ah well done so you clearly bear a grudge! Presumably I am on a list now so come the revolution...... Out of interest do you remember all the the names you are called in the playground and who said it or is it just people on here who disagree with you?

[buctootim]

Its a real shame Assange's tactics are so poor. Letting the world know about genuinely abhorrent behaviour - such as reckless killing of journalists and passers by by the US helicopter in Iraq, or corporate deception inflicted on the public is of major public importance. Notes about minor diplomatic *****ing isnt.

 

Assange has nearly crippled Wikileaks by bringing down huge international governmental pressure on its head for relatively trivial issues. He would have been better off being more selective and going after the targets which really count.

[Jonnyboy]

ah well done so you clearly bear a grudge! Presumably I am on a list now so come the revolution...... Out of interest do you remember all the the names you are called in the playground and who said it or is it just people on here who disagree with you?

 

To what were you refering?