Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/3752627.Poortvliet_targets_six_wins_from_next_ten_games/ Anyone really believe we can do this? Don't get me wrong, I'd love us to win at least 6 of the next 10 but our inconsistent start doesn't give me much hope that we will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 I can't believe he is being so negative. We want TEN from TEN!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Well we've had two wins from our last three games so all we need to do is continue that form to reach that target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Let me see...... Southampton v Watford, (win) Sheff Utd v Southampton, (lose) Swansea v Southampton, (draw) Southampton v Coventry, (draw) Preston v Southampton, (draw) Southampton v Bristol City, (win) Southampton v Wolverhampton, (win) Reading v Southampton, (lose) Southampton v Plymouth, (win) Charlton v Southampton, (draw) ermmm no. But I'd be happy with 4 wins, 4 draws and two defeats if the great footballing god is listening. :smt059 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 I find it difficult to see where the next win is coming from! I have just looked at the schedule and I make it: Watford Home Sheffield United Away Swansea Away Coventry Home Preston Away Bristol City Home Wolves Home Reading Away Plymouth Home Charlton Away I can't realistically see more than two wins and a couple of draws in that lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 I also can't see beyond 2 wins and 3 or 4 draws from that lot. Our only wins this season have come against 3 very poor teams, who have missed a hatful of chances to score. I really don't fancy our chances against the likes of Wolves, the Blades and Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 I also can't see beyond 2 wins and 3 or 4 draws from that lot. Our only wins this season have come against 3 very poor teams, who have missed a hatful of chances to score. I really don't fancy our chances against the likes of Wolves, the Blades and Reading. Derby did not have a hatful of chances, they were lucky we only beat them by the odd goal. Derby were sh1t and barely had a shot at goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Watford Home Win Sheffield United Away Swansea Away Win/draw Coventry Home Win Preston Away Bristol City Home Win Wolves Home Reading Away Plymouth Home Win Charlton Away Thats being generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNOWY Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 I'd take 10 points right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egreog Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 No.be lucky to get 2 wins from any 10 games!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Where does "realistically" come into it, when we're as likely to go to sheff utd and win as we are to beat bristol city at home? Same with most teams in this league, it's very hard to predict. I imagine we'll get an away win or two amongst that lot, but no idea where. I also imagine we'll mess up at least one home game. Have to agree with this, as with saints you never know what's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Unless Saints get some fullbacks and learn how to defend we are going to lose more than we win as we don't score enough goals from the chances/possession in games. I hope i'm proved wrong but i only had 3 wins and 3 draws for those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 11 points from the last ten games, and suddenly our form will improve to provide 18 from the next ten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Let me see...... Southampton v Watford, (win) really? Sheff Utd v Southampton, (lose) Swansea v Southampton, (draw) Type of game we lose Southampton v Coventry, (draw) They've done us once, will do it again Preston v Southampton, (draw) Southampton v Bristol City, (win) Southampton v Wolverhampton, (win) No chance Reading v Southampton, (lose) Southampton v Plymouth, (win) No chance Charlton v Southampton, (draw) ermmm no. But I'd be happy with 4 wins, 4 draws and two defeats if the great footballing god is listening. :smt059 Sorry, thats how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Watford Home Lose Sheffield United Away Lose Swansea Away Draw Coventry Home Draw Preston Away Lose Bristol City Home Win Wolves Home Shock Win! Reading Away Draw Plymouth Home Win Charlton Away Lose Realistic results imo. Watford are a very strong team with very physical players, similar to Blackpool. We will get completely buttf*cked. However, I can see us beating Bristol C and Plymouth, and possibly getting away with a win against Wolves, seeing as they seem to be dropping form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 If we got 11 from the last ten then there is no reason to think we couldn't get at least that in the next ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFM Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 Being an eternal miserable pessimist I'm going for 9 points from those games. HOWEVER, with a rare bright spark of hope having pored over the league table ealier, Watford have got one point out of five games away and with a win over them we are theorectically (sorry, very drunken spelling?) ONE point behind behind Plymouth, for example, currently in fifth. I'm going to try a week of optimism and see what happens. As someone else said, who knows wtf to expect these days? I'm only doing this week of optimism as an experiment and I hope it's as good as I'm constantly told on here. If we beat Watford, as we should and need do, all will look so much more reassuring come Saturday evening. If we don't I will still be expecting messages of "wait until Christmas" to appear regularly. Fingers crossed folks :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 14 October, 2008 Share Posted 14 October, 2008 (edited) Saints v Watford WIN Sheff Utd v Saints LOSE Swansea v Saints DRAW Saints v Coventry WIN Preston v Saints LOSE Saints v Bristol City DRAW Saints v Wolves LOSE Reading v Saints LOSE Saints v Plymouth WIN Charlton v Saints LOSE 3 wins and 2 draws IMO. Not great but that's a tough run of fixtures. Edited 14 October, 2008 by Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Saints v Watford WIN Sheff Utd v Saints DRAW Swansea v Saints WIN Saints v Coventry WIN Preston v Saints DRAW Saints v Bristol City DRAW Saints v Wolves DRAW Reading v Saints LOSE Saints v Plymouth WIN Charlton v Saints LOSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 He's being very optimistic (almost too optimistic again, and I hope it's not putting pressure on the youngsters), but I can't see any reason why we shouldn't at least be able to turn Watford over on Saturday. The youngsters wll be fresh (and I hope they're smarting from the Coventry defeat) and I don't think Watford are any great shakes. Hopefully it will be 5 wins from 9 after Saturday, although as I said to start with, I do worry about the pressure and expectations we're putting on these youngsters. The OS and Echo stories pre season hype didn't help and the wonder start certainly didn't materialise. The hype eased off after the poor start, but it would appear that it's being cranked up again. I do hope Jan knows what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 If we got 11 from the last ten then there is no reason to think we couldn't get at least that in the next ten. Except now, nearly everyone we're going to play will be above us in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 No chance with our current defence tactics and relatively inexperienced/modest back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Sorry, but I cannot see a single win out of those games. We don't have a defence, as the idiots in charge of our club seem not to have realised. Saints v Watford DRAW Sheff Utd v Saints LOSE (heavily) Swansea v Saints LOSE Saints v Coventry DRAW Preston v Saints LOSE Saints v Bristol City DRAW Saints v Wolves LOSE Reading v Saints LOSE (heavily) Saints v Plymouth DRAW Charlton v Saints LOSE (maybe squeak a draw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Except now, nearly everyone we're going to play will be above us in the league... That's very perceptive of you, especially now that there are only 4 clubs below us and 19 above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Watford (H) - Win Sheff Utd (A) - Lose Swansea (A) - Draw Coventry (H) - Win Preston (A) - Lose Bristol City (H) - Draw Wolves (H) - Lose Reading (A) - Lose Plymouth (H) - Draw Charlton (A) - Draw 10 points. Its an extremely tough run of games, especially the latter 5 which is where i feel we'll fall away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 We should be beating Watford. They've played both Sheffield clubs recently up here and i've heard they are dire at the moment. Roll on Saturday to start a revivial for them then!! I agree with Arizona, we've only beaten 3 poor teams this year and yes, Derby did have good chances in the first half. Comfortable as it was in the end the first half was very even. Reckon we'll do well to get 10 points from these games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 To win games we have to stop shipping goals and start scoring some. I have seen little sign of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Watford Home DRAW Sheffield United Away LOSE Swansea Away DRAW Coventry Home DRAW Preston Away LOSE Bristol City Home WIN Wolves Home LOSE Reading Away LOSE Plymouth Home WIN Charlton Away DRAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 11 points from the last ten games, and suddenly our form will improve to provide 18 from the next ten I remember when people used to hammer Burley for not being positive enough and not setting our targets high.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 I remember when people used to hammer Burley for not being positive enough and not setting our targets high.... If you read the comments posted after that interview some slate JP for PR spin and some slate him for not being ambitious enough. For many the club and everything to do with it has just turned into a chance to get a cheap shot in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 I remember when people used to hammer Burley for not being positive enough and not setting our targets high.... There is a line somewhere between setting our target's high and setting them unachieveable. Burley should have been aiming for the automatic spots. Winning 6 out of 10 games, spread over the course of a season would give us 83 points minimum, which would have won the league last season. Bit of an unrealistic target with our youth team me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Derby did not have a hatful of chances, they were lucky we only beat them by the odd goal. Derby were sh1t and barely had a shot at goal. Erm... Well actually they were through on goal on about three occassions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 There is a line somewhere between setting our target's high and setting them unachieveable. Burley should have been aiming for the automatic spots. Winning 6 out of 10 games, spread over the course of a season would give us 83 points minimum, which would have won the league last season. Bit of an unrealistic target with our youth team me thinks. But Jan said that he was aiming for us to win 6 of the next 10 games, not to win 6 out of 10 for the whole season :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 But Jan said that he was aiming for us to win 6 of the next 10 games, not to win 6 out of 10 for the whole season :confused: But why pick those 10 games? They're not exactly the most winnable fixtures are they. If he had said at that earlier in the season, when we had home games against Norwich, Barnsley and Blackpool as well as trips to Donny and Coventry, then it might have been wirth saying. If we do fail to get anywhere near that target, which is quite likely IMO, it is only going to lead to disappointment, both in the fans and the squad and lead to more "stay away" fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Watford Home Draw Sheffield United Away Lose Swansea Away Lose Coventry Home Lose Preston Away Lose Bristol City Home Draw Wolves Home Lose Reading Away Lose Plymouth Home Win Charlton Away Lose A tough set of fixtures and only 5 points I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 But why pick those 10 games? They're not exactly the most winnable fixtures are they. Because we've played our first bunch of 10 and they're the next 10 games we play? :confused: Which other 10 did you expect him to talk about now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Because we've played our first bunch of 10 and they're the next 10 games we play? :confused: Which other 10 did you expect him to talk about now? But the next 10 games aren't ones which we look likely to win. Just because we've played 10 games, doesn't mean he needs to go making predictions about the next 10, especially if they are that unrealistic. At the start of the season Jan said he was aiming for the playoffs, which is great. I admire his ambition. However if he keeps making these far fetched targets, and doesn't reach them, he is going to lose a lot of credibility. People who did believe them, including possibly the players, will start to lose confidence. Lets take a hypothetical situation. We only win 2 of the next 10 games and get a couple of draws. This form continues throughout the season and with 3 games left, we're in the drop zone. If Jan then starts making statements like, "we can still avoid relegation," do you think people are going to take him as seriously after failing to meet his previous targets so badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Interesting to see the various views. Inevitbly those who rely on Sky for their live Saints games will have a more jaundiced view as we were manure for these games. Those of us who went to Derby, and saw the Birmingham (CC) and Norwich games will know these boys can play. One thing I can predict is that this season will be unpredicatable because the team is young and learning (although talented) and also the league is a league where anyone can beat anyone on the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MongoNeil Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 what's worrying for me is that everyone has us losing against sheff utd. This is one of the few games I'll have a chance to go to this season but I'm already thinking shall I bother (even if it is only £10) :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 If you read the comments posted after that interview some slate JP for PR spin and some slate him for not being ambitious enough. For many the club and everything to do with it has just turned into a chance to get a cheap shot in. I've not seen JP slated anywhere for not being ambitious enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 15 October, 2008 Share Posted 15 October, 2008 Erm... Well actually they were through on goal on about three occassions. Please tell me you are not saying Derby had a hatful of chances because if you are then you clearly are referring to a past season and not the game in August. The only real chance they had was in the second half just before we scored. We had several one on ones in the first half alone, hit the woodwork on a couple of times and if it wasn't for Carroll the game would of been dead and buried long before we actually scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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