what makes me so bloody angry

[Thedelldays]

for about 5 mins...

 

is that we had the great opportunity in our history to plant ourselves in the top 8 of the prem for a long time with the finances we see up there now...we had everything...england players, good defence, a manager we (and most of the country loved) good finances, and a taste of european football, a new ground with the potntial to be alot bigger all without a sugar daddy...

 

we had the golden goose in our hands and blew it in the most spectacular fashion.

 

I know it has been said again again, but THAT is what makes me so bloody angry about the state of the club...not the comings and goings....

[alpine_saint]

I wonder if Lowe ever thinks about those decisions he made in his quiet minutes alone..

[Weston Super Saint]

I wonder if Lowe ever thinks about those decisions he made in his quiet minutes alone..

 

I didn't think dynamic business men running successful corporations had quiet minutes alone

[The Farmer]

for about 5 mins...

 

is that we had the great opportunity in our history to plant ourselves in the top 8 of the prem for a long time with the finances we see up there now...we had everything...england players, good defence, a manager we (and most of the country loved) good finances, and a taste of european football, a new ground with the potntial to be alot bigger all without a sugar daddy...

 

we had the golden goose in our hands and blew it in the most spectacular fashion.

 

I know it has been said again again, but THAT is what makes me so bloody angry about the state of the club...not the comings and goings....

 

No matter what anyone says, Lowe's was running scared after the Cup Final of Saints pushing into the top 8 where you need to keep spending good money to stay there. He would rather us make £1 in the CCC than break even in the top 8. That is why we are here now, he didn't invest the money we had in reserve wisely as he didn't want the hassle of us having to keep the fans happy with big buys and not being able to sell our prize assets at a profit.

 

Reading between the lines this is the reason WGS said seeya, and thus started the slow, panful demise of the club.

[1976_Child]

for about 5 mins...

 

is that we had the great opportunity in our history to plant ourselves in the top 8 of the prem for a long time with the finances we see up there now...we had everything...england players, good defence, a manager we (and most of the country loved) good finances, and a taste of european football, a new ground with the potntial to be alot bigger all without a sugar daddy...

 

we had the golden goose in our hands and blew it in the most spectacular fashion.

 

I know it has been said again again, but THAT is what makes me so bloody angry about the state of the club...not the comings and goings....

 

I completely agree. I try not to think about it as my doctor says I shouldn't let my blood pressure get too high.

[Greenridge]

Very well put DD although I think it goes deeper than that in that I get the impression people are falling out of love with football in general. The greed, the money, the wages and lifestyle of very average players is at a level that many can no longer accept, especially in the current global economic climate.

 

And remember most of this stems from that prat Graham Kelly who sold our beloved game down the swanny with the television rights deal. No longer does money stay within the domestic game that for so long was the saviour of lower league clubs. It's a sad state of affairs all round.

[cambsaint]

Delldays:

'We' didn't blow the chance only one fool did that, - Lowest!

[Tamesaint]

for about 5 mins...

 

is that we had the great opportunity in our history to plant ourselves in the top 8 of the prem for a long time with the finances we see up there now...we had everything...england players, good defence, a manager we (and most of the country loved) good finances, and a taste of european football, a new ground with the potntial to be alot bigger all without a sugar daddy...

 

we had the golden goose in our hands and blew it in the most spectacular fashion.

 

I know it has been said again again, but THAT is what makes me so bloody angry about the state of the club...not the comings and goings....

 

 

...and what really gets me annoyed as well is that we also had top notch catering and the fastest growing radio station in the south of England. ;-)

 

Its all right delldays. One of the luvvies will be on here in a minute to tell us that relegation was inevitable and that our demise had nothing to do with Lowe. If only.

[Scudamore]

We really missed the boat on that whole "guaranteed Premier League place" for sure...

 

I mean it's easy really...

 

Now let's look at the bottom of the league...

 

19. Newcastle

20. Tottenham

 

It's not as if they've spent much over the years now is it?

 

We just needed to step up to that next level of spunking 20 million pounds on sh:t and we would have been set for life right up in that top 8 Premier League place...

 

Drives me wild...

 

I'm Going Wilde you might say...

[Thedelldays]

i bet you that neither spurs or newcastle will go down

[stkev7]

We really missed the boat on that whole "guaranteed Premier League place" for sure...

 

I mean it's easy really...

 

Now let's look at the bottom of the league...

 

19. Newcastle

20. Tottenham

 

It's not as if they've spent much over the years now is it?

 

We just needed to step up to that next level of spunking 20 million pounds on sh:t and we would have been set for life right up in that top 8 Premier League place...

 

Drives me wild...

 

I'm Going Wilde you might say...

 

Exactly!

 

Anyway, despite all our current financial issues don't you find it better as a supporter going to games surrounded by hardcore fans and not the JCL brigade? Ok, I'll be honest enough to say the home games have lost their spark but give me the Championship away days over the Premiership anyday.

 

I'd much rather be going to Swansea tomorrow than I would do Old Trafford.

[rocknrollman no2]

Exactly!

 

Anyway, despite all our current financial issues don't you find it better as a supporter going to games surrounded by hardcore fans and not the JCL brigade? Ok, I'll be honest enough to say the home games have lost their spark but give me the Championship away days over the Premiership anyday.

 

I'd much rather be going to Swansea tomorrow than I would do Old Trafford.

Will you feel so excited when we are playing Millwall and Crewe in league one in front of a crowd of eight thousand?

[eelpie]

for about 5 mins...

 

is that we had the great opportunity in our history to plant ourselves in the top 8 of the prem for a long time with the finances we see up there now...we had everything...england players, good defence, a manager we (and most of the country loved) good finances, and a taste of european football, a new ground with the potntial to be alot bigger all without a sugar daddy...

 

we had the golden goose in our hands and blew it in the most spectacular fashion.

 

I know it has been said again again, but THAT is what makes me so bloody angry about the state of the club...not the comings and goings....

 

You stupid boy, Lowe.

[.comsaint]

i bet you that neither spurs or newcastle will go down

 

I'm praying to god that Spurts do!

 

Now that would be funny...

[Andy_Porter]

i bet you that neither spurs or newcastle will go down

 

Have you seen Spurs play this season?

 

They are dross.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Have you seen Spurs play this season?

 

They are dross.

 

I'm really enjoying the spurs situation, it gives me a welcome relief from our own.

[saintjinksie]

for about 5 mins...

 

is that we had the great opportunity in our history to plant ourselves in the top 8 of the prem for a long time with the finances we see up there now...we had everything...england players, good defence, a manager we (and most of the country loved) good finances, and a taste of european football, a new ground with the potntial to be alot bigger all without a sugar daddy...

 

we had the golden goose in our hands and blew it in the most spectacular fashion.

 

I know it has been said again again, but THAT is what makes me so bloody angry about the state of the club...not the comings and goings....

 

players such as nilsson, jakobsson and mccann sum up our attempts at 'pushing' on. The beginning of the fall was selling bridge after the cup final.

[Totton Red]

Exactly!

 

Anyway, despite all our current financial issues don't you find it better as a supporter going to games surrounded by hardcore fans and not the JCL brigade? Ok, I'll be honest enough to say the home games have lost their spark but give me the Championship away days over the Premiership anyday.

 

I'd much rather be going to Swansea tomorrow than I would do Old Trafford.

 

Ladies toilets??

[KCUK]

Dell Days,

 

You are spot on. Just five short years ago we were in our best position since the early '80s. We all know where we are now.

 

What it also shows is that **** doesn't have the same ambition as the supporters do for our club.

 

What Lowe fails to understand is that when you are in a position of strength, you attract good players. So far from being a selling club, players would actually have wanted to come to Southampton. (Not the big boys of course, but we still could have attracted good players that would have kept us competitive.)

 

I always feared that if we got relegated from the Premier League we would end up like the QPRs, Wednesdays and Forests of the world.

 

Unfortunately, thanks to that short-sighted imbecile running our club (sue me if you want Lowe, I live in Sydney) we will just slide further into the mire.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I wonder if Lowe ever thinks about those decisions he made in his quiet minutes alone..

 

Yep but he thinks he made the right ones and it`s all someone else`s fault.

[alpine_saint]

Yep but he thinks he made the right ones and it`s all someone else`s fault.

 

Probably. It explains why he is making them all over again.

 

Bottom line is that he sees SFC as a business, not as a football club.

[Badger]

Probably. It explains why he is making them all over again.

 

Bottom line is that he sees SFC as a business, not as a football club.

 

But Lowe has b0llocksed both the football,and the business.

[stkev7]

Will you feel so excited when we are playing Millwall and Crewe in league one in front of a crowd of eight thousand?

 

Whats the problem?! Crewe and Millwall are cracking away days!!!

[sadoldgit]

Probably. It explains why he is making them all over again.

 

Bottom line is that he sees SFC as a business, not as a football club.

 

You seem to have completely missed what has been going on in football for some time now. It is a business and we owe a great deal of money, which, in the current economic climate is not a great position to be in.

 

The last lot who came in on the back of running the place as a football club did well didn't they? Blew a load of cash we couldn't afford and now we are in much deeper poo than we were before.

 

If Lowe goes we will still need someone in who runs this club as a business.

 

We are stuffed financially and that is why tough business decisions are being made. Others will follow John and they are only being loaned because no one is up for buying them.

If Skacel had this club at heart he would have taken Ipswich's offer.

 

It is a sad state of affairs but we have no choice. If we don't get shot of the high earners you will have your wish Alpine, we will be a football club and we will be playing the likes of Bromley Town.

[Fan The Flames]

You seem to have completely missed what has been going on in football for some time now. It is a business and we owe a great deal of money, which, in the current economic climate is not a great position to be in.

 

The last lot who came in on the back of running the place as a football club did well didn't they? Blew a load of cash we couldn't afford and now we are in much deeper poo than we were before.

 

If Lowe goes we will still need someone in who runs this club as a business.

 

We are stuffed financially and that is why tough business decisions are being made. Others will follow John and they are only being loaned because no one is up for buying them.

If Skacel had this club at heart he would have taken Ipswich's offer.

 

It is a sad state of affairs but we have no choice. If we don't get shot of the high earners you will have your wish Alpine, we will be a football club and we will be playing the likes of Bromley Town.

 

Just what we needed a rehash of 'its only the fault of those after Lowe' b*****ks, do we really near to have retelling of the nonsense every thread, and you finish of with the classic b*****ks 'the threat of non-league football', what club of our size has that happen to.

 

I understand what DD is getting at, when there’s a decision to be made Lowe will always default to the business case and never take a punt on the football case if the business case doesn't support it. But sometimes the riskier ventures come off and everyone a winner. But with Lowe’s cautious approach we are where we are.

[sadoldgit]

Just what we needed a rehash of 'its only the fault of those after Lowe' b*****ks, do we really near to have retelling of the nonsense every thread, and you finish of with the classic b*****ks 'the threat of non-league football', what club of our size has that happen to.

 

I understand what DD is getting at, when there’s a decision to be made Lowe will always default to the business case and never take a punt on the football case if the business case doesn't support it. But sometimes the riskier ventures come off and everyone a winner. But with Lowe’s cautious approach we are where we are.

 

But I didn't say that did I? Leeds tried the other way and look hat happened to them. Like it of not if you spend what you don't have you are going to end up in trouble at some point.

 

How do you know that he never took a punt on the football case? He took a huge punt on hiring Strachan didn't he? I'd say that signing Delgado was a huge punt too.

 

What you fail to see is that any other CEO would have taken, or not taken, certain decsions based on the business/football needs.

 

To trot out this stuff about running the place as a football club and for footballing ends is very naive.

 

We have never been big spenders because we have never had the money to spend. You could argue that if the people running the club back in the mid 80's had taken a punt we might have won the league rather then come runners up. We had a preety good team but we were still relatively weak in a few areas on the pitch for a team that high in the league.

 

Take a look at Spurs. They have spent shedloads of cash on players and look where they are.

 

Isn't it obvious now that it doesn't matter how much money you spend it doesn't guarentee success?

 

Charlton were held up as a model as where would should be a couple of season ago. Where are they now?

 

Three teams get relegated each year. I can't be bothered to do the maths but dozens have been relegated since the Prem was set up. Guess what, only one was run by Lowe.

 

Doesn't that tell you that dozens of Chairman and CEOs have made mistakes?

 

The way you go on you would think that Lowe was the only person to oversee the relegation of a club.

 

It happens and it happened to us. There is no guarantee that if Lowe had acted any differently that things would have turned out differently.

[um pahars]

But I didn't say that did I? Leeds tried the other way and look hat happened to them.

 

Oh the old "don't want to do a Leeds" chestnut, which Lowe himself would trot out now and then.

 

Leeds were a one off absolute ficuiking nightmare who took out long term loans and then spent the money on wages and players.

 

No one, not one single person ever suggested we shoud go down the Leeds route. It was a crap scare mongering answer which failed to answer any real questions.

 

Isn't it obvious now that it doesn't matter how much money you spend it doesn't guarentee success?

 

Indeed it doesn't, but having three managers in one season (with one of them being the disastrous Wigley) is a guarantee that you will be in the shyte.

 

Charlton were held up as a model as where would should be a couple of season ago. Where are they now?

 

They employed three managers as well, and lo and behold, they ended up n the shyte as well.

 

Three teams get relegated each year. I can't be bothered to do the maths but dozens have been relegated since the Prem was set up. Guess what, only one was run by Lowe.

 

And I don't thnk anyone would have been so upset had we given it our best shot and been relegated, just as three get relegated each year.

 

Instead our managerial merry go round was tantamount to Footballing Hari Kari.

 

Doesn't that tell you that dozens of Chairman and CEOs have made mistakes?

 

No, because as you rightly point out, three have to go down every season.Therefore it just means for many, on these occasions 17 teams were simply better than them.

 

However, in our case we made some massive mistakes which ensured we were one of the worse teams. We went down without a whimper.

 

I'm sure others have made similar sized mistakes as us, and I would like to think that they would also have been hled to account and where appropriate relieved of their duties.

 

The way you go on you would think that Lowe was the only person to oversee the relegation of a club.

 

Lowe was the only person to oversee three managers (inc Wigley) and that's the statistic that is the most succinct when discussing our fall from grace.

[up and away]

Just what we needed a rehash of 'its only the fault of those after Lowe' b*****ks, do we really near to have retelling of the nonsense every thread, and you finish of with the classic b*****ks 'the threat of non-league football', what club of our size has that happen to.

 

I understand what DD is getting at, when there’s a decision to be made Lowe will always default to the business case and never take a punt on the football case if the business case doesn't support it. But sometimes the riskier ventures come off and everyone a winner. But with Lowe’s cautious approach we are where we are.

 

What a total load of ******. Lowe has made his mistakes, but there is nothing in the last couple of years that does not belong to Wilde and Crouch. Who are you going to blame when we go into administration? Lowe for not getting rid of more players than we have already? The damage has been done already by these risky ventures and you reckon we should double up? You really should get yourself round to gamblers anonymous for some shock therapy, because all we have done over the last few years is gamble with our future until we have virtually ****ed it away.

 

How we are still surviving is beyond most and our only slim hope lies with that thin thread to the bank. And any idiot that thinks Crouch will ride in to save the day is sadly deluded. He would still have the same problems and require administration to get rid of those players who's wages we cannot afford.

[alpine_saint]

What a total load of ******. Lowe has made his mistakes, but there is nothing in the last couple of years that does not belong to Wilde and Crouch. Who are you going to blame when we go into administration? Lowe for not getting rid of more players than we have already? The damage has been done already by these risky ventures and you reckon we should double up? You really should get yourself round to gamblers anonymous for some shock therapy, because all we have done over the last few years is gamble with our future until we have virtually ****ed it away.

 

How we are still surviving is beyond most and our only slim hope lies with that thin thread to the bank. And any idiot that thinks Crouch will ride in to save the day is sadly deluded. He would still have the same problems and require administration to get rid of those players who's wages we cannot afford.

 

People like you that claim this club's financial problems started when Wilde and Crouch chucked Lowe out really need some sort of counselling.

 

Lowe oversaw relegation with some piiss-poor management decisions, and the result of relegation, as no doubt Um Pahars is sick of saying, was to half our revenue stream overnight. Sod all Sky TV money, reduced gates, etc. Why else were these fabled "50%" clauses that were so de-motivating, inserted in the players contracts ? They ensured we had zero chance of players like Phillips and Crouch giving us one season to bounce back. Not that Lowe would have turned down the money anyway, I'd swear he'd flog his own mother...

[hypochondriac]

What a total load of ******. Lowe has made his mistakes, but there is nothing in the last couple of years that does not belong to Wilde and Crouch. Who are you going to blame when we go into administration? Lowe for not getting rid of more players than we have already? The damage has been done already by these risky ventures and you reckon we should double up? You really should get yourself round to gamblers anonymous for some shock therapy, because all we have done over the last few years is gamble with our future until we have virtually ****ed it away.

 

How we are still surviving is beyond most and our only slim hope lies with that thin thread to the bank. And any idiot that thinks Crouch will ride in to save the day is sadly deluded. He would still have the same problems and require administration to get rid of those players who's wages we cannot afford.

 

Upandaway you need serious help.

[Fan The Flames]

What a total load of ******. Lowe has made his mistakes, but there is nothing in the last couple of years that does not belong to Wilde and Crouch. Who are you going to blame when we go into administration? Lowe for not getting rid of more players than we have already? The damage has been done already by these risky ventures and you reckon we should double up? You really should get yourself round to gamblers anonymous for some shock therapy, because all we have done over the last few years is gamble with our future until we have virtually ****ed it away.

 

How we are still surviving is beyond most and our only slim hope lies with that thin thread to the bank. And any idiot that thinks Crouch will ride in to save the day is sadly deluded. He would still have the same problems and require administration to get rid of those players who's wages we cannot afford.

 

Sorry sunshine read the top of the thread, its was talking about Lowe decisions whilst we were in the premiership. Im not talking about gambling now but a riskier approach a few years back and we might not be here. Maybe splashing out in Jan to strengthern the defence in the relegation season may have been a bright thing to do.

 

So before you jump in with two feet read the context.

[up and away]

People like you that claim this club's financial problems started when Wilde and Crouch chucked Lowe out really need some sort of counselling.

 

Lowe oversaw relegation with some piiss-poor management decisions, and the result of relegation, as no doubt Um Pahars is sick of saying, was to half our revenue stream overnight. Sod all Sky TV money, reduced gates, etc. Why else were these fabled "50%" clauses that were so de-motivating, inserted in the players contracts ? They ensured we had zero chance of players like Phillips and Crouch giving us one season to bounce back. Not that Lowe would have turned down the money anyway, I'd swear he'd flog his own mother...

 

With supporters like yourself we are truly blessed. You can put the blame for relation at the feet of Lowe, but any idiot cannot see that we have had more than enough time and money to avoid being in our current position. It must be a marvel to you how all these other teams exist in the CCC, even without that massive windfall in players fees and parachute payments we have received.