Cheam Saint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Now that Saints have completed the 5 year plan in 3, what should we aim for for the next 5 years? Should we dream big or is that not being realistic? At the awards dinner, Rickie Lambert said he thought Saints were going all the way to the top. For me that means competing for the premiership title. In the past Nicola has reportably said Champions League qualification is our aim and there's talk about expanding the stadium. Where do you think we'll be in 2017, realistically and dreaming big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 to much gets read into these 5 years plan things....nearly every club has them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Now that Saints have completed the 5 year plan in 3, what should we aim for for the next 5 years? Should we dream big or is that not being realistic? At the awards dinner, Rickie Lambert said he thought Saints were going all the way to the top. For me that means competing for the premiership title. In the past Nicola has reportably said Champions League qualification is our aim and there's talk about expanding the stadium. Where do you think we'll be in 2017, realistically and dreaming big? You think we're going to compete for the Premier League title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 We will not qualify for the champions league, or compete for the premier league. That will never happen at this football club, let's be realistic. What is possible though is creating a sustainable and established premiership club, which can compete in the cups and flirt with the top 6/7 places in the league. That's probably the maximum this club can achieve in all honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 to much gets read into these 5 years plan things....nearly every club has them Very few achieve them though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Now that Saints have completed the 5 year plan in 3, what should we aim for for the next 5 years? Should we dream big or is that not being realistic? At the awards dinner, Rickie Lambert said he thought Saints were going all the way to the top. For me that means competing for the premiership title. In the past Nicola has reportably said Champions League qualification is our aim and there's talk about expanding the stadium. Where do you think we'll be in 2017, realistically and dreaming big? You shouldn't have mentioned about expanding the stadium....a new stadium expansion thread anyone? I'd be happy to just still be in the prem in 2017, with a couple of our youth players in the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint137 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 League Cup is a realistic goal next season. But more important to stay up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Not long ago Manchester City were in division 2. With money and leadership anything is possible in football. NC is highly ambitious and gets what he wants. The reason we've done so well is because of the vision he shared with Markus and trust me, he wouldn't be here if he didn't want champions league. stop it...just stop it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Not long ago Manchester City were in division 2. With money and leadership anything is possible in football. NC is highly ambitious and gets what he wants. The reason we've done so well is because of the vision he shared with Markus and trust me, he wouldn't be here if he didn't want champions league. Man City have spent near on £600m, not just on players, but wages, infrastructure, stadium purchasing etc. We will not achieve what they have as we do not have that finance. It's fair to dream, but you have to be realistic about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheam Saint Posted 6 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2012 We will not qualify for the champions league, or compete for the premier league. That will never happen at this football club, let's be realistic. What is possible though is creating a sustainable and established premiership club, which can compete in the cups and flirt with the top 6/7 places in the league. That's probably the maximum this club can achieve in all honesty. Realistically you're probably right but why do players / Nicola say these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Realistically you're probably right but why do players / Nicola say these things? because that is what they do. always aim for the stars etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Man City have spent near on £600m, not just on players, but wages, infrastructure, stadium purchasing etc. We will not achieve what they have as we do not have that finance. It's fair to dream, but you have to be realistic about it... in just wages sense...they have propelled themselves to the 3rd highest payer of wages of any SPORTING establishment in the world man u are 11th by the way. can't see saints getting in the top 10 of that any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheam Saint Posted 6 May, 2012 Author Share Posted 6 May, 2012 because that is what they do. always aim for the stars etc. When I last watched Saints in the premiership they always said they're aiming for 17th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Not long ago Manchester City were in division 2. With money and leadership anything is possible in football. NC is highly ambitious and gets what he wants. The reason we've done so well is because of the vision he shared with Markus and trust me, he wouldn't be here if he didn't want champions league. Man city are a massive loss making company and without oil millions would be very much worse off than Pompey. Success is great but I would almost prefer if we were just a very well run club taking a few risks but not totally over stretching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 When I last watched Saints in the premiership they always said they're aiming for 17th! I must have missed lowe saying otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Realistically you're probably right but why do players / Nicola say these things? 'Going to the top' doesn't necessarily mean winning the league though, it's just a turn of phrase. We're aiming to be a sustainable premiership club, and we will never spend millions on players to achieve what you want. The focus is on developing the youth setup and having most of our first team from the youth team, that's the plan because we're not going to spend millions on players. We want to develop our own. If we develop players of a certain calibre and keep them here, then who knows - we may have a chance in a decade or two, but in the near future it's a pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 As Nigel once said: "Aim for the stars, and you might just get to the moon." So... Aim for Champions League, and we might get in the Europa League! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stev2001 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 'Going to the top' doesn't necessarily mean winning the league though, it's just a turn of phrase. We're aiming to be a sustainable premiership club, and we will never spend millions on players to achieve what you want. The focus is on developing the youth setup and having most of our first team from the youth team, that's the plan because we're not going to spend millions on players. We want to develop our own. If we develop players of a certain calibre and keep them here, then who knows - we may have a chance in a decade or two, but in the near future it's a pipe dream. Good post. I'd love to see us at the forefront of youth development with other teams trying to play catch up when they realise how successful that can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 As Nigel once said: "Aim for the stars, and you might just get to the moon." So... Aim for Champions League, and we might get in the Europa League! Aim for the Champions League and we might end up in administration again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Aim for the Champions League and we might end up in administration again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I doubt many thought going from 22nd In League 1 to the premiership in 3 years was realistic? Personally I'd be satisfied with being a well run club that's able to stay in the premiership for a while. You're wrong in saying we cant ever achieve Champions League qualification. probably not..but not stretching the imagination it is not as if we had a 22nd league 1 squad was it. seriously, it is insane that it needs to be explained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 We will not qualify for the champions league, or compete for the premier league. That will never happen at this football club, let's be realistic. What is possible though is creating a sustainable and established premiership club, which can compete in the cups and flirt with the top 6/7 places in the league. That's probably the maximum this club can achieve in all honesty. Never under-estimate what can be achieved - The consequences of the financial fair play rules are not at all certain yet, but they might give an opportunity for a well managed self sustaining club to run up along the rails... I know times were different way back when, but we were a top side back in 1983/84 and only an ants fart away from a league/cup double... That was amongst all conquering Liverpool, rise of Everton and the other big clubs of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I doubt many thought going from 22nd In League 1 to the premiership in 3 years was realistic? Personally I'd be satisfied with being a well run club that's able to stay in the premiership for a while. You're wrong in saying we cant ever achieve Champions League qualification. To achieve champions league qualification it will require us to spend an insane amount of money, which we do not have and will not spend. I will be delighted with us if we're a stable and established premier league club - and I think we're more than capable of achieving that within a few years. Getting from L1 to the premiership in 3 years is in a totally different league than qualifying for the champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Never under-estimate what can be achieved - The consequences of the financial fair play rules are not at all certain yet, but they might give an opportunity for a well managed self sustaining club to run up along the rails... I know times were different way back when, but we were a top side back in 1983/84 and only an ants fart away from a league/cup double... That was amongst all conquering Liverpool, rise of Everton and the other big clubs of the day. I'm just keeping my feet on the ground! We need to make sure we're still a premiership club in a year, worrying about Champions league football is a pipe dream...! If people have those ambitions then I fear they'll be very frustrated for years to come, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 probably not..but not stretching the imagination it is not as if we had a 22nd league 1 squad was it. seriously, it is insane that it needs to be explained This is Saintsweb - you should know better by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 I'm just keeping my feet on the ground! We need to make sure we're still a premiership club in a year, worrying about Champions league football is a pipe dream...! If people have those ambitions then I fear they'll be very frustrated for years to come, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Absolutely, its certainly one step at a time and re-establishing ourselves back in the Prem is of paramount importance. But a combination of patience, solid club infra=structure and circumstances might just create a pipe dream or two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 (edited) I doubt many thought going from 22nd In League 1 to the premiership in 3 years was realistic? Personally I'd be satisfied with being a well run club that's able to stay in the premiership for a while. You're wrong in saying we cant ever achieve Champions League qualification. What, apart from Norwich City going from losing 7-1 in League one on their opening day and sacking their manager and the getting back to back etc etc etc. Or Blackpool, Burnley, Swansea, Reading, Swindon, Watford, Bradford, Barnsley all being Premier League clubs at one time or another. We've done very well, but let's not pretend it is some footballing miracle. It was, to use your word pretty "realistic". Swansea and Blackpool were both L1 not that long ago. And I would never say we can't ever achieve CL qualification. it is possible if we had a miracle season - Newcastle are having a go, Everton did it once. But it is very unlikely, and it still wouldn't make us a "Champions League" club in the way you are thinking - we are not going to be regular CL club or challenging for the title. We're just not. And my god, why would you want us to? Seriously, would much rather we stayed solid Prem and challenged for the occasional cup. Perfectly, perfectly, fine. Edited 6 May, 2012 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 What is the highest a newly promoted team has ever finished in the top flight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 What is the highest a newly promoted team has ever finished in the top flight? Did Forest win the league? Or Ipswich? I think someone has won it in the old days. Ipswich under Whisky G finished fifth which must be highest in the nothing happened before 92 Sky sports era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Paddypower have us at 5000/1 to win the league next year, gonna get my bet on now in case Nicola coughs up £100m in the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Europa League finalists. Well, why the f**k not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Europa League finalists. Well, why the f**k not? This is perfectly possible, and also completely different to challenging for the league title or qualifying for the Champions League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Did Forest win the league? Or Ipswich? I think someone has won it in the old days. Ipswich under Whisky G finished fifth which must be highest in the nothing happened before 92 Sky sports era. Yes Forest in 1977/78 won the league straight after being promoted - A good side expertly coached by Clough and Taylor that got off to a flying start to the season and Liverpool left it too late to catch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Yes Forest in 1977/78 won the league straight after being promoted - A good side expertly coached by Clough and Taylor that got off to a flying start to the season and Liverpool left it too late to catch them. Didn't Forest then follow it up with back to back European Cups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Didn't Forest then follow it up with back to back European Cups? They did indeed, with a League cup or two thrown into the bargain... Times were of course different 30 years ago, but they are proof that provincial teams can be successful at the highest level when the right combination of talent, infrastructure and circumstances collide together at the right time. You never know it might happen again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Who knows? It all depends on what happens next year tbh. We could find ourselves 19th after 30 games and pull off another great escape like the old days, or we could be in 8th and on course to qualify for Europe! I think realistically our aim for the next 5 years is to establish ourselves as a Premier League side, have a few decent cup runs (a Semi Final in the next 2/3 years would be great!) and look at competing for a European slot by our 5th season (Europa, not CL). If we can keep hold of our key players (Lambert, Lallana, Schneiderlin etc) and add a few more established, experienced Prem players then there's no reason why that isn't achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Ipswich Town also did it in 1962 I think under the stewardship of Bobby Robson. Different ballgame in those days though both on and off the pitch. The Premiership is all about maintaining the status quo and keeping a steady stream of dreaming cannon-fodder to feed those clubs to warm up for when they play each other. And guess what we are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_saint Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 What is the highest a newly promoted team has ever finished in the top flight? I think Leeds won the league straight after getting promotion but this was the last year before the Premier League. In the Premier League era, Ipswich finished fifth in the 2000/01 season, just four points behind second-placed Arsenal. Newcastle's first Premier League season was in 1993/94 and they finished third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Ipswich Town also did it in 1962 I think under the stewardship of Bobby Robson. Different ballgame in those days though both on and off the pitch. The Premiership is all about maintaining the status quo and keeping a steady stream of dreaming cannon-fodder to feed those clubs to warm up for when they play each other. And guess what we are? Think you mean sir alf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Ipswich Town also did it in 1962 I think under the stewardship of Bobby Robson. Different ballgame in those days though both on and off the pitch. The Premiership is all about maintaining the status quo and keeping a steady stream of dreaming cannon-fodder to feed those clubs to warm up for when they play each other. And guess what we are? Which makes it all the better when we buck the trend and **** on their chips instead - Like Norwich and Swansea have done to some degree this season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Teams like Stoke, Fulham and Everton have done well to establish themselves as decent Premier League clubs, occasionally flirting with the bigger time, but overall just very stable. I think that would be a good place to be in 5 years time. They are ridiculously big spenders either. Just look at Everton, an example of where a well run club with a great manager can get to without spending ridiculously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Yup you're right, that's why he got the England gig. Bobby Robson won the UEFA Cup with Town - I think, no Googling here, it was Dutch club AZ67 who they beat 3-0 at home and then losing the away leg 4-2 but that is all from memory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Year 1 - survival Year 2 - mid-lower table, 8-15th Year 3 - 6-10th Year 4 - UEFA qualification Year 5 - ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Fag Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 The focus is on developing the youth setup and having most of our first team from the youth team, that's the plan because we're not going to spend millions on players. We want to develop our own. If we develop players of a certain calibre and keep them here, then who knows - we may have a chance in a decade or two, but in the near future it's a pipe dream. See you've hit a catch 22 here, if you develop top class talent as we intend and no doubt will, you need to spend on some quality players to encourage them to stay, if we are hanging around mid table the big boys will come snap them up eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 You think we're going to compete for the Premier League title? Yes. Of course we will. Equally obviously of course not next year or the year after. BUT it's such a simple change from the years of Rupert. Set a target that isn't simply survival and World Class Catering. Financial Fair Play will change the dynamics. Then it will come down to how much money we can earn. IF NC can convince the family to build a 50/60k seater stadium and convert it into equity then I have NO doubt he will do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Yes. Of course we will. Equally obviously of course not next year or the year after. BUT it's such a simple change from the years of Rupert. Set a target that isn't simply survival and World Class Catering. Financial Fair Play will change the dynamics. Then it will come down to how much money we can earn. IF NC can convince the family to build a 50/60k seater stadium and convert it into equity then I have NO doubt he will do it. Pie in the sky. Saints need a 60k stadium in the same way Darlington need a 25k stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Europa League finalists. Well, why the f**k not? More possible, but still very, very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Pie in the sky. Saints need a 60k stadium in the same way Darlington need a 25k stadium. You're forgetting about man walking on the moon and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Yes. Of course we will. Equally obviously of course not next year or the year after. BUT it's such a simple change from the years of Rupert. Set a target that isn't simply survival and World Class Catering. Financial Fair Play will change the dynamics. Then it will come down to how much money we can earn. IF NC can convince the family to build a 50/60k seater stadium and convert it into equity then I have NO doubt he will do it. Jesus wept. There is no way you're serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 May, 2012 Share Posted 6 May, 2012 Someone remind me to resurrect this thread when we're top 4 at Christmas. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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