FloridaMarlin Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 As with all these stories, you start by wondering how it got into the papers in the first place. Who fed it to them? Who leaked the info, and why? Why would Stoke want to to come out? They wouldn't for fear it could start an auction. In whose interest might it be to start an auction to enhance the player's price? In whose interest might it be to try and ignite interest where there hasn't previously been any? Not saying it is the case, but it has happened that clubs use a third party (agent's player, etc) to feed a story into a paper to create interest where there was none previously, to raise some badly needed income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 As with all these stories, you start by wondering how it got into the papers in the first place. Who fed it to them? Who leaked the info, and why? Why would Stoke want to to come out? They wouldn't for fear it could start an auction. In whose interest might it be to start an auction to enhance the player's price? In whose interest might it be to try and ignite interest where there hasn't previously been any? Not saying it is the case, but it has happened that clubs use a third party (agent's player, etc) to feed a story into a paper to create interest where there was none previously, to raise some badly needed income. You're not wrong and it's very much the style of the current regime. If the cap fits...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Or, he could put a gun to his mums head and tell him that he has to go or he will blow her brains out. That too is speculation, and would equally be a no brainer decision. There's speculation and speculation, isn't there, JFP? One has a rather higher probability of being right than the other. You are not suggesting that people should not indulge in speculation on a fans football forum, are you? I'm staggered if you are here only for fact! Isn't the "fun" of it all picking from everyone else's specuations according to one's own predisposition? No-one comes on here to have their opinions changed, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Even before the gossip rumour, I had it on reasonable authority that both Surman and Lallana are to be sold come January, for as much money as possible. Great isn't it..? We are not a selling club. We will not do a Leeds. You never want the bank to be controlling your footballing decisions. Now where have I heard those statements before..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 You are spot on. (However just for information, the spelling is renege, a renegade is a description of a outlaw/bandit/rebel etc.) So maybe "renegade" was what was meant, the reference after all was to Lowe. I think bandit describes him well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Even before the gossip rumour, I had it on reasonable authority that both Surman and Lallana are to be sold come January, for as much money as possible. Great isn't it..? We are not a selling club. We will not do a Leeds. You never want the bank to be controlling your footballing decisions. Now where have I heard those statements before..? Difference is that Leeds managed to keep a fairly large fan base through there doors on a regular bases. If our gate reciepts were higher there would not be so much need to sell to keep the bank happy. Catch 22 cause if we dont start winning matches and fast then the fans wont be back to help pay the bank off. players will get sold to pay the bank and the team will do worse so less fans will turn up. Someone has to break this circle at some point and if its not us or the players it will be administration and a couple of league drops before we even remotly start looking like we are moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Surman can probably do better than Stoke. Stoke however may be determined to shaft us for selling them that dud Davies. Smart piece of business that, make it look as if you want to keep him and then grudgingly let him move on for a small profit. That knee was always wrong, we fell for it, looks like they have as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Difference is that Leeds managed to keep a fairly large fan base through there doors on a regular bases. If our gate reciepts were higher there would not be so much need to sell to keep the bank happy. Catch 22 cause if we dont start winning matches and fast then the fans wont be back to help pay the bank off. players will get sold to pay the bank and the team will do worse so less fans will turn up. Someone has to break this circle at some point and if its not us or the players it will be administration and a couple of league drops before we even remotly start looking like we are moving forward. We won't start winning because the ridiculous experiment is doomed to fail. There are some (me included), who won't go, regardless of results, because of Lowe. Whatever way you look at it the attendances aren't going to increase. The only way the current regime can increase revenue is by selling players, they aren't going to do it through the gate. The only possible solution would include Wilde and Lowe going. But it is unlikely to happen, imo they are doing all they can to protect their positions. I really can't figure out what they are up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 We won't start winning because the ridiculous experiment is doomed to fail. There are some (me included), who won't go, regardless of results, because of Lowe. Whatever way you look at it the attendances aren't going to increase. The only way the current regime can increase revenue is by selling players, they aren't going to do it through the gate. The only possible solution would include Wilde and Lowe going. But it is unlikely to happen, imo they are doing all they can to protect their positions. I really can't figure out what they are up to. If they were doing this a few years back just after we got to the final of the FA cup then I would call it a ridiculous experiment as back then all seemed to be getting better so why change it? but right now without a pot to p1ss in we have to do something. we have invested heavily in our youth system and some of the kids are bloody good. we dont have the luxury of being able to afford enough experience to blend that youth in so we are forced to go for it full tilt. Its not something I would have liked to have seen at our club but I cant see what else can be done to avoid it. If lowe and wilde walk away now and leave it up to crouch he still has to find the money to fend off the bank and i suppose if he is to change direction he will also need to find the money to buy the experience we so desperatly need. I think people are that blinded by there hate of the guy at the top that they cant see the situation is no different with him there or not. I still think that the kids are or at least can be good enough to give us something to be happy about this season but I think this will only be the case when the right players are selected. we dont have the luxury of good enough players to cover certain key positions. Our best 11 is good enough to get enough results. change any of those 11 and we can look awful. I think thats why the fan base is so up and down based on results so far. 1 min we feel like we have turned a corner and will go on to spank a few results and the next we dont deserve to be in league 1. My fear now is that the team dont have enough time now to get the results to improve the gates. so even with our best 11 playing from now till jan and winning the gates wont improve enough to save us from selling 1 or 2 of the key players. this will leave us with the team that can look awful and it will seel our fate IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 We should sell Schneiderlin, Surman and/or Lallana. Use Gasmi, Pulis and Holmes as replacements. And then keep most of the cash to keep us afloat and use the rest to get Saganowski back from loan in january to pay his wages. sell Surman to pay Saga? I know the game is all about opinions, but FFS I could not disagree with yours more. Surman is the future of this club (if we have one at all) and we must do everything we can to keep him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 For my mind Surman is a quality midfielder he has been 1 of our most consitent performers he has been played out of position on a lot of ocassions but just gets on with job and gives 100 % I would be gutted if he went for 1.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Surman to Stoke? Been thinking about this one. Is the answer 'coal' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Does Pulis have another son that plays football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 (edited) Does Pulis have another son that plays football? We dont know if he has one son who plays football Edited 13 November, 2008 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Absolutely agree! We have 4 outfield players currently playing that are head and shoulders above anything else we have (or are likely to have for many years to come). Schneiderlin, Cork, Lallana and Surman. After January there is a good chance that we will no longer have any of them and then we will really be in the sh!t. Wot he said. And that could qualify as the most depressing transfer window ever. We need all four for the rest of this season - especially Drew and Adam. C'mon mushes, hang about for a bit. FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Surman is too small to play for Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 Havn't you got it yet ??? It won't be up to Surman Come January, Lowe will SELL any and ALL he can ........ Got it now ???? Lowe cannot sell if the player does not want to go.....if the player wants to go then that would be a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt SFC Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 I'm sure if Lowe wanted to he could force Surman out of the club. Hopefully there is no substance to this rumour. As in today's climate where the likes of anton ferdinand is going for £8m, Surman is worth more than twice the £1.5m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 13 November, 2008 Share Posted 13 November, 2008 I really don't undersand why people don't see the great potential in Surman. He is a quality player still learning the game and he will only get better. Probably the same people who dismissed Oakley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Wilde has already arranged a replacement .......... Boyle ....... you don't think Lowe will SPEND money on one do you Get used to it ... every Transfer window, Lowe will sell as many as it takes to keep the PLC solvent ...... he cares nothing for the Football, or it's iratant ( and diminishing) Customers Let me understand your point - are you saying that he should let the club go insolvent??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 It won't even be up to Lowe. Barclays will be aware of offers made and will apply pressure accordingly. Bankers still controlling our lives then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITKSaint Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 No one likes it but at least we should be getting £1M plus for Surman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 If we get any half decent offer for Surman he (and Lallana , Schniederlin ...etc) will be gone at some stage , that's as plain as the nose on your face . But don't for one minute believe this will solve SFC's underlying problems however . £1m/£2m will just keep this cycle of decline going for a few months more - the team's results will get even worse and the 'gate' and income as a consequence will get smaller . Next March the club will have to try and sell some season tickets - any takers ? Ultimatly this grand old club is heading for both Administration and relegation -sooner rather than later IMO , unless something changes PDQ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 If we get any half decent offer for Surman he (and Lallana , Schniederlin ...etc) will be gone at some stage , that's as plain as the nose on your face . But don't for one minute believe this will solve SFC's underlying problems however . £1m/£2m will just keep this cycle of decline going for a few months more - the team's results will get even worse and the 'gate' and income as a consequence will get smaller . Next March the club will have to try and sell some season tickets - any takers ? Ultimatly this grand old club is heading for both Administration and relegation -sooner rather than later IMO , unless something changes PDQ . exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 If we get any half decent offer for Surman he (and Lallana , Schniederlin ...etc) will be gone at some stage , that's as plain as the nose on your face . But don't for one minute believe this will solve SFC's underlying problems however . £1m/£2m will just keep this cycle of decline going for a few months more - the team's results will get even worse and the 'gate' and income as a consequence will get smaller . Next March the club will have to try and sell some season tickets - any takers ? Ultimatly this grand old club is heading for both Administration and relegation -sooner rather than later IMO , unless something changes PDQ . Ive said before that the only thing that can realisticly change things is the results on the pitch. If the current team can find a way to win and also defend then they may do enough to bring the gates up and reduce the need to sell. I honestly think that there isnt enough time to make that much of a difference and with every player out of the door our chances to improve results and therfor gates reduces further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 Rupert can hardly wait to dispose of Surman. He is our second highest scorer - and Rupert has a blind spot to anyone who is able to put the ball in the net -for us - except DMcG (who will probably be next to go, I have no doubt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 14 November, 2008 Share Posted 14 November, 2008 I just want to point out that I am not a fan of Lowe, but this post is indictative of the lack of understanding and blame culture we have within our fan base. We went down, we didn't go straight back up, we gambled on promotion, we failed, we spent more money when we should have cut back, and now belatedly we are trying to cut our cloth according. Those are the facts and fans need to deal with them. He has SOLD any and all Experienced Footballers that COULD and SHOULD have been Blended in to a Youth culture Team .... THAT, IMHO, would have stabilised us in the CCC he's only sold Andy Davies and that was forced on him because he could not get rid of Skacel and Thomas. The same `experienced footballers' hardly stabilised us in the CCC last year did they. Besides we were losing millions so there was little choice but to reduce the wage bil. The inly way of doing that is to let high wage earner go and they tend to be the more experienced players. But Lowe has gone far further than that. With his sell everthing policy, he has not only asset stripped the Club, but has reduced the available Quality to the point that is in the lap of the Gods whether we survive in the CCC like last season then. Fans have deserted St Mary's this season by at LEAST 5000 ... reducing prices for the Notts Forest game is a desperate gamble to get some of those to come back. Saints fans are no different than any other fan really. They like to see a winning Team, a Team able to compete, and a Team that is not going to be decimated at every Transfer Window `come to see united' fans dissapear. The Lowe factor cannot now be dismissed. HIS actiopns have led to major Apathy to his CUSTOMERS. All he has ever done is Split the Fan base The joke of it is, he does not CARE one Iota about the Fans, he has said as much in the past. He is back for LOWE and the PLC. he cares about hsi shareholding and for that reason he will do everything in his power to make the club successful. If that means seeling players to stop the club going bankrupt then so be it. As long as he can SELL to keep the PLC solvent, then as far as he is concerned, that is Job Done, because he works for the PLC, NOT Saints. we tried the big spending gamble and it failed. We now face the consequences of that gamble - ie paying off our debts. Deal with it. Lowe is acting exactly AS an Administrator would .......... but he is NOT in any way concerned about what happens on the pitch deluded. What happens on the pitch has a direct effect on the finances so Lowe cares a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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