ozzmeister Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 First of all, absolutely cracking result yesterday and hugely noticeable improvement in the team under MoPo, no doubt in that fact! However, what level of manager do we/cortese think we have? Is he now the long term, and the man deemed the one to fulfill the 5year champions league plan, or like NA is he the man to get us to the next step (be that consistent top 10/Europa) before being replaced by a new, even higher caliber manager? NC has proved he is progressive with his appointments, he recognized NA as the man to get us to the prem, but not the man to kick on from there. Maybe there is a similar plan for MoPo? None the less I am massively enjoying the ride and ambition being demonstrated by the club, long may it continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Cortese will want the next step first ie a top ten premiership finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Mario has 15 points from 10 games, average that over a season and we will have 57 points. Thats enough for top 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Mario has 15 points from 10 games, average that over a season and we will have 57 points. Thats enough for top 6 Think that's very unrealistic if you are suggesting next season we are going to be a top six club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Think that's very unrealistic if you are suggesting next season we are going to be a top six club? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Yes Hmmm next season will see how much we can push on. I think any top half finish would be an exceptional season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Interviews taking place for next victim as we speak I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Considering recent form, I suspect we will all grow to love Pochettino as he drives us forward to the brink of Europe on the back of 7 wins in 10 games. At which point Cortese will fire him via a Jordan Sibley tweet and replace him with the Deep Blue supercomputer. Despite the history of Pardew & Adkins, the fanbase will be shocked, angered and surprised with all and sundry disgusted at the behaviour of NC. Deep Blue however then engineers a 5-1 defeat of Man U at old trafford finalsing 4th place at the expense of Mourinho's Chelsea. DB is hailed in the press as the 7 trillion byte one. Asked for his reaction Cortese simply states "If we do not beat Barcelona next season, I will unplug him" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Hmmm next season will see how much we can push on. I think any top half finish would be an exceptional season We could easily emmulate WBA from this season..... We have a Young / exciting team....... Of the outfield ten who started against Reading, Steve Davis is 28, Jos Hooiveld is 29 and Lambert is 31 - the rest are 24 and under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 (edited) I think he can take us to a stable top-10 position, but it's very rare that any manager can take a club from lower positions to CL football on their own. The managers that do deliver CL football have years of experience from other clubs, other top leagues, experience of equivalent top-flight european football from more than just one club. They tend to come into an established top-10 club and take them to the next step. There are exceptions of course, such as at Chelsea, but the work there was done before Di Matteo came along. IMO, our next step is an established top-10 position and then we will change managers again. Edited 7 April, 2013 by RobM Managers name wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 7 April, 2013 Author Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Mario has 15 points from 10 games, average that over a season and we will have 57 points. Thats enough for top 6 So is your view MoPo can establish up in the top 6, or does he have enough to push us jan top top 4? I'm sure man city had a fairly similar policy of managers as they went up the leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Considering recent form, I suspect we will all grow to love Pochettino as he drives us forward to the brink of Europe on the back of 7 wins in 10 games. At which point Cortese will fire him via a Jordan Sibley tweet and replace him with the Deep Blue supercomputer. Despite the history of Pardew & Adkins, the fanbase will be shocked, angered and surprised with all and sundry disgusted at the behaviour of NC. Deep Blue however then engineers a 5-1 defeat of Man U at old trafford finalsing 4th place at the expense of Mourinho's Chelsea. DB is hailed in the press as the 7 trillion byte one. Asked for his reaction Cortese simply states "If we do not beat Barcelona next season, I will unplug him" Post of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheam Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 In MP's first interview after coming to the club, he said he was attracted by a 3 year project. I suspect his remit is to get us to the Europa League by then. Nicola, being completely driven might then choose to replace him with a bigger name to take us to the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 So is your view MoPo can establish up in the top 6, or does he have enough to push us jan top top 4? I'm sure man city had a fairly similar policy of managers as they went up the leagues. Top 6 with current squad, higher (top 4) with couple of decent additions. See no reason why Tino couldnt take us to CL and beyond if Nicola backs him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 In MP's first interview after coming to the club, he said he was attracted by a 3 year project. I suspect his remit is to get us to the Europa League by then. Nicola, being completely driven might then choose to replace him with a bigger name to take us to the next step. NC is not impressed by 'names' . I think given the right progress he has his man. It will be all about how he progresses. MP has us playing great football and now we will watch with great anticipation as he shapes his own team. The biggest worry for me is that one of the big teams will want him as this guy has class written all over him. His word with Steve Davis yesterday when we were struggling for instance- he can see a game tactically very well... Only worry I have is over one or two personnel selections i.e Guly and Fox rather strange how he persists with them. However other than that completely comfortable that he can take us all the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 (edited) NC has proved he is progressive with his appointments, he recognized NA as the man to get us to the prem, but not the man to kick on from there. Maybe there is a similar plan for MoPo? None the less I am massively enjoying the ride and ambition being demonstrated by the club, long may it continue! IMHO ..NA's mistake was persisting with too many of the players who started ...where he did ....in L1. Regardless of the very tough start programme we had, many of them weren't up to scratch. I agree NC must have been (pleasantly shocked) to get back-to-back promotions, and for his part NA was like a kid in a sweet shop, but he didn't have the nous to get in the right sort of players last summer. Moving up to the Prem. isn't the same as going up one division.....it's a huge jump into the unknown, and on average 2 of every 3 promotd sides go down again within 2 seasons. NC must have been upset that NA didn't utilise the summer signings in the correct way (using Jay Rod as LW) ignoring Steve Davis for almost half a season, playing Gazzaniga in goal (worse than KD)...and not trying Mayuka at all. As for Pochettino......We'll see next season haow he does, but most of us have very little knowledge about him ...but he did seem very "pally" with Rafa last week, and quotes Mourinho as his role model. If he can achieve even one quarter of what they did....he'll be a great acquisition. We talk about " hungry " players....to me, he looks like a hungry manager. Edited 7 April, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollysaints1 Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 We will never be in the Champions League, look what City had to do just to break into the top 4. The current top 6 wont be broken up for many decades in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 The current top 6 wont be broken up for many decades in my opinion. The current top six is Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Everton. So you think Liverpool won't break into the top 6 for "decades" ahead of Everton or one of the others? You only have to go back to last season to see Newcastle in the top 5, in only their second season after promotion from the Championship. There are a number of other relatively recent examples. To suggest the top 6 is set in stone for decades to come is daft. Champions League will be very difficult for Saints, but I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the top 6 under Liebherr/Cortese in years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 For once I agree with MLG. Top 4 will be fantastically difficult to achieve. Top 6 is a reasonable target to aim for, especially so to have it as a medium to longer term target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 NC is not impressed by 'names' . I think given the right progress he has his man. It will be all about how he progresses. MP has us playing great football and now we will watch with great anticipation as he shapes his own team. The biggest worry for me is that one of the big teams will want him as this guy has class written all over him. His word with Steve Davis yesterday when we were struggling for instance- he can see a game tactically very well... Only worry I have is over one or two personnel selections i.e Guly and Fox rather strange how he persists with them. However other than that completely comfortable that he can take us all the way... I think that says more about our available options than the manager. Guly is a runner, somebody who will run the length of the pitch over and over again and can, despite popular belief, play some nice balls into feet. Fox is a left sided defender who can also get forward with a decent cross. Neither of them are anything other than Championship standards, but sadly they are the best cover we have for those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 First of all, absolutely cracking result yesterday and hugely noticeable improvement in the team under MoPo, no doubt in that fact! However, what level of manager do we/cortese think we have? Is he now the long term, and the man deemed the one to fulfill the 5year champions league plan, or like NA is he the man to get us to the next step (be that consistent top 10/Europa) before being replaced by a new, even higher caliber manager? NC has proved he is progressive with his appointments, he recognized NA as the man to get us to the prem, but not the man to kick on from there. Maybe there is a similar plan for MoPo? None the less I am massively enjoying the ride and ambition being demonstrated by the club, long may it continue! According to some of the Know-it-All "Characters" on this Forum, he is only here until the summer, when NC will make another change, so he is obviously not the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 For once I agree with MLG. Top 4 will be fantastically difficult to achieve. Top 6 is a reasonable target to aim for, especially so to have it as a medium to longer term target. ...although if Chelsea keep firing all the best managers around , Abrahamovitch might get bored with them - and sell.......alternatively if Bale leaves Sp*ds they will look a quite ordínary side in a year or two.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 The current top six is Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Everton. So you think Liverpool won't break into the top 6 for "decades" ahead of Everton or one of the others? You only have to go back to last season to see Newcastle in the top 5, in only their second season after promotion from the Championship. There are a number of other relatively recent examples. To suggest the top 6 is set in stone for decades to come is daft. Champions League will be very difficult for Saints, but I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the top 6 under Liebherr/Cortese in years to come. There are only a few exceptions where Everton, Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs have finished in the top ten in the last 20 seasons, fewer in the last 5, now you have City to contend with as well, Newcastle will spend in the summer so it makes it all the more difficult. Top 10 yes obtainable top 6 no chance not unless we buy an awful lot of quality players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Top 10 yes obtainable top 6 no chance not unless we buy an awful lot of quality players. There is a good chance we could finish in the top 9 or 10 this season in the first year up from the Championship! Let alone have that as the upper limit of our ambitions for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 There is a good chance we could finish in the top 9 or 10 this season in the first year up from the Championship! Let alone have that as the upper limit of our ambitions for years to come. Newcastle finished 5th last season! Finishing top 10 one season doesnt guarantee a good season next year. Swansea would be a decent team to follow, finished 11th in the 1st season (47 points) now had a comfy midtable season and won the league cup and in Europe..... Id take that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 I feel we need to focus on this seasons finishing 1st, if we finish 11th or 12th, then there be that bit extra spending money, MP has shown his potential as a world class coach, but he will need some more players we need back up RB LB and CF and a pacey winger as i feel punch will be more bench next season then starter and try and help Gaston show his potential, and were have a top 10 side who are capable of finishing top 8, that should be our aim next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Personally I'd like the club to focus on a cup instead of some lala idea of top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 There is a good chance we could finish in the top 9 or 10 this season in the first year up from the Championship! Let alone have that as the upper limit of our ambitions for years to come. The gulf in class between the top 7 and the others is huge, the depth in squad quality for a start. Just look at the strength of the top teams benches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Personally I'd like the club to focus on a cup instead of some lala idea of top 6. Our attitude to the cups next season will be interesting. Treating the League Cup with disdain as we did this year was perhaps understandable in a season of consolidation. Next season, I'm not so sure, I'd like to see us give it a bit of a go. We're not going to win the league any time soon, that's for sure. And we all saw how a decent cup run can swell interest levels in the club; the 2003 Cardiff appearance and season led to a season of our highest ever season ticket sales, and an average attendance nearly 1,000 higher than anything else we'd ever seen before or since. Swansea have shown this season that you can marry league cup success with a top ten finish, and they're running on a lesser budget than we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 The gulf in class between the top 7 and the others is huge, the depth in squad quality for a start. Just look at the strength of the top teams benches. Here is everton bench today yo: 01 Mucha 26 Stones 34 Duffy 08 Oviedo 16 Hitzlsperger 07 Jelavic 14 Naismith formidables! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 The gulf in class between the top 7 and the others is huge, the depth in squad quality for a start. Just look at the strength of the top teams benches. Here is everton bench today you: 01 Mucha 26 Stones 34 Duffy 08 Oviedo 16 Hitzlsperger 07 Jelavic 14 Naismith And Saints vs Reading bench... 01 K Davis 06 Fonte 13 Fox 16 Ward-Prowse 20 Lallana 21 Guly 42 Puncheon Thoughts Barry? Because I don't think the depth of that Everton bench or squad is out of reach of Saints in the coming years. Yes, we have a lot of deadwood in the squad who are relics from quick promotions from League One and the Championship and haven't been good enough to keep pace with the club's progression. But Everton really aren't that far ahead of us, nor are they uncatchable in the coming years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Here is everton bench today yo: 01 Mucha 26 Stones 34 Duffy 08 Oviedo 16 Hitzlsperger 07 Jelavic 14 Naismith formidables! 2-3 of them would get in our 1st team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 2-3 of them would get in our 1st team Which 2 or 3? Hitzlsperger over Cork or Schneiderlin? Jelavic over Lambert or Rodriguez? Naismith over Lallana or Ramirez? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Which 2 or 3? Hitzlsperger over Cork or Schneiderlin? Jelavic over Lambert or Rodriguez? Naismith over Lallana or Ramirez? Really? Naismith has had a better season than Ramirez imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Naismith has had a better season than Ramirez imho Please tell me you aren't being serious? He is a terrible player, did you see him vs Saints at St Mary's? Yes, players have occasional bad game but he simply doesn't have the technique of a good player. Ramirez is light years ahead of him in terms of quality. Yes, Ramirez is at times frustrating and inconsistent but at least he is technically good, I've never seen Naismith have a good game he simply doesn't possess the ability and am surprised Everton persist with him. In any case, you said 2 or 3 players and have only named one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Please tell me you aren't being serious? He is a terrible player, did you see him vs Saints at St Mary's? Yes, players have occasional bad game but he simply doesn't have the technique of a good player. Ramirez is light years ahead of him in terms of quality. Yes, Ramirez is at times frustrating and inconsistent but at least he is technically good, I've never seen Naismith have a good game. In any case, you said 2 or 3 players and have only named one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 it's not nice to tease mlg like that glasgow. +1 reputations points tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 We're much more likely to go down next season than be in the top 6. How much we're getting ahead of ourselves is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Mario has 15 points from 10 games, average that over a season and we will have 57 points. Thats enough for top 6 Top Post Glasgow, what a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 We're much more likely to go down next season than be in the top 6. How much we're getting ahead of ourselves is ridiculous. Gives MLG something to crack one off over though. I agree with your post totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 we've got as much chance going down as Man U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Mario has 15 points from 10 games, average that over a season and we will have 57 points. Thats enough for top 6 Its would actually put Saints 5th, above Arsenal and only 1 point behind 3rd Chelsea and 4th Tottenham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Its would actually put Saints 5th, above Arsenal and only 1 point behind 3rd place Chelsea and 4th place Tottenham. 5th is "top 6" last time i checked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 (edited) And Saints vs Reading bench... 01 K Davis 06 Fonte 13 Fox 16 Ward-Prowse 20 Lallana 21 Guly 42 Puncheon Thoughts Barry? Because I don't think the depth of that Everton bench or squad is out of reach of Saints in the coming years. Yes, we have a lot of deadwood in the squad who are relics from quick promotions from League One and the Championship and haven't been good enough to keep pace with the club's progression. But Everton really aren't that far ahead of us, nor are they uncatchable in the coming years. You have to think Everton will progress as well,guly, fox and fonte on the bench proves my point, fonte at best is a no4 squad cb. Edited 7 April, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 7 April, 2013 Share Posted 7 April, 2013 Its would actually put Saints 5th, above Arsenal and only 1 point behind 3rd Chelsea and 4th Tottenham. if only they didn't have another 6 games to play yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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