Dan83 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Schneiderlin's top dog in interceptions by a long long way! http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/8671431/PFA-Alternative-XI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 4.3 tackles per game, really? Should be doing that a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 4.3 tackles per game, really? Should be doing that a minute. When you're top in the league for interceptions, every one of those is a tackle you don't have to make to get the ball back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 (edited) Erm, also, even the accompanying chart shows that they've ignored Benteke for Lambert, despite Benteke scoring more goals from the same number of shots, which is the criterion they've chosen to use to illustrate Lambert's success. "Without [Lambert's goals] Southampton would be in the relegation zone". Pointless and useless "fact". Had we played every match with 10 men of course we'd be in the bottom 3... who's to say if we'd picked someone else (dare I say someone better?) we'd not have won the League ? The quote is a totally ridiculous statement. Edited 26 April, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 The9, why do you hate Lambert so much? The guy is a Southampton legend and deserves to get a mention, being the top English goal scorer. I'm sure Lambert's shot/goal ratio must be much better than Benteke as Benteke has about 50 shots a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 (edited) The9, why do you hate Lambert so much? The guy is a Southampton legend and deserves to get a mention, being the top English goal scorer. I'm sure Lambert's shot/goal ratio must be much better than Benteke as Benteke has about 50 shots a game. I'm ambivalent to him. This isn't even about Lambert, it's about crappy journalism. Read the article, the table used actually tells you how many goals scored and who has the better shot percentage. As for "best English blah blah" it's another genuinely useless "fact". There are not only English players in this competition. Numerous other players have scored more, scored more frequently, completed more passes, assists, etc. Lambert's done well for Saints, and reasonably well for a Prem striker full stop, and much better than some people anticipated, but that's all. Edited 26 April, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 I'm ambivalent to him. This isn't even about Lambert, it's about crappy journalism. Read the article, the table used actually tells you how many goals scored and who has the better shot percentage. Jesus christ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 I'm ambivalent to him. This isn't even about Lambert, it's about crappy journalism. Read the article, the table used actually tells you how many goals scored and who has the better shot percentage. As for "best English blah blah" it's another genuinely useless "fact". There are not only English players in this competition. Numerous other players have scored more, scored more frequently, completed more passes, assists, etc. Lambert's done well for Saints, and reasonably well for a Prem striker full stop, and much better than some people anticipated, but that's all. Wow. How ridiculous. Nearly as ridiculous as Mcmanamans tackle being a clearance and nothing in it. Jesus christ. Lambert is probably our best ever signing, has an unbelievable goal record, and has brought us through the leagues. i would go as far as saying we wouldnt be here without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Lambert is probably our best ever signing. What, better than Rudi Skacel, oh come off it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 I'm ambivalent to him. Stop it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genuis Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Erm, also, even the accompanying chart shows that they've ignored Benteke for Lambert, despite Benteke scoring more goals from the same number of shots, which is the criterion they've chosen to use to illustrate Lambert's success. They haven't ignored Benteke at all. The article quite clearly says 'Sky Sports delves a little deeper and looks at the Opta Stats to hail some of the names that did not grace the 10-man list of nominees.'. You know, that same 10-man list that Benteke appears on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Wow. How ridiculous. Nearly as ridiculous as Mcmanamans tackle being a clearance and nothing in it. Jesus christ. Lambert is probably our best ever signing, has an unbelievable goal record, and has brought us through the leagues. i would go as far as saying we wouldnt be here without him. I don't have any issue with his successes getting us up to the Prem, and he's done remarkably well considering his lack of experience even this season. However, here's a list of Saints top scorers in the top division since 1983. How is Lambert's total in any way exceptional ? 83/84 Moran 21 84/85 Moran 12 85/86 Armstrong 10 86/87 Clarke 20 87/88 Clarke 16 88/89 Rod Wallace 12 89/90 Le Tissier 20 90/91 Le Tissier 19 91/92 Shearer 13 92/93 Le Tissier 15 93/94 Le Tissier 25 94/95 Le Tissier 19 95/96 Shipperley/ Le Tissier 7 96/97 Le Tissier 13 97/98 Le Tissier/ Ostenstad 11 98/99 Le Tissier/ Ostenstad 7 99/00 Pahars 13 00/01 Beattie 11 01/02 Pahars 14 02/03 Beattie 23 03/04 Beattie 14 04/05 Crouch 12 Anyway, *I* was talking about how crappy the original article was, and how the stats they gave didn't support their argument, which only mentioned Lambert in passing... if you don't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Lambert is something like our 10th highest scorer in our history. He's been iconic in our rise through the leagues. Don't see how any Saints fan can not absolutely love the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Lambert is something like our 10th highest scorer in our history. He's been iconic in our rise through the leagues. Don't see how any Saints fan can not absolutely love the bloke. This - plus he is a very nice guy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 They haven't ignored Benteke at all. The article quite clearly says 'Sky Sports delves a little deeper and looks at the Opta Stats to hail some of the names that did not grace the 10-man list of nominees.'. You know, that same 10-man list that Benteke appears on. However, there is no "10 man list" and there are two lists given, both containing 6 players, so without doing my own research to work out that 2 players are on both lists (not mentioned in the article), there is no 10-man list anywhere in that article, just crappy journalism. I will readily accept that I had assumed the "10 man list" was a list of nominees for Player of the Year, and didn't include the Young Player, for which Benteke is nominated. So fair enough on that. Maybe it's better if I use Matt Lowton's interceptions (especially compared to Vertonghen), or Lucas Leiva's tackles as an illustration of them overlooking players then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 I'm ambivalent to him. This isn't even about Lambert, it's about crappy journalism. Read the article, the table used actually tells you how many goals scored and who has the better shot percentage. As for "best English blah blah" it's another genuinely useless "fact". There are not only English players in this competition. Numerous other players have scored more, scored more frequently, completed more passes, assists, etc. Lambert's done well for Saints, and reasonably well for a Prem striker full stop, and much better than some people anticipated, but that's all. Utter tripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 However, here's a list of Saints top scorers in the top division since 1983. How is Lambert's total in any way exceptional ? Well for one, if Lambert scores a single goal in our final matches his total will only have been beaten 4 times in the last 15 years of top flight football we've had. Two more and he'll only have been bettered 7 times in 22 seasons. Not bad for a player with no top flight experience prior to August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Stop it What ? Really. I don't dislike him at all, his overall contribution to the club in the past 4 years has been great, he seems like a nice bloke, all that stuff. I don't really think about him more or less than any other Saints player, it's the rest of you all having a different opinion that makes it an issue - and even that's more about how successful I think we'd be with someone else up front than Lambert himself. As I've already noted, Lowton and Lucas Leiva are better examples of the inconsistencies in that article, which presumably in the minds of some on here means I hate Vertonghen, Schneiderlin and Zabaleta as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Not just this thread though. You were the first one calling for him to be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Well for one, if Lambert scores a single goal in our final matches his total will only have been beaten 4 times in the last 15 years of top flight football we've had. Two more and he'll only have been bettered 7 times in 22 seasons. Not bad for a player with no top flight experience prior to August. Yeah, "not bad", about 2/3rd of the way up the scale of strikers in 22 top level seasons, bettered by 6 other players. I have no problems with it being described as "not bad". Anyway, constantly defending myself on a subject I'm not that bothered about is boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Yeah, "not bad", about 2/3rd of the way up the scale of strikers in 22 top level seasons, bettered by 6 other players. I have no problems with it being described as "not bad". Anyway, constantly defending myself on a subject I'm not that bothered about is boring. Actually bettered by 4 other players not 6, so does that mean he moves from not bad to quite good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Not just this thread though. You were the first one calling for him to be dropped. I for one have singled out Lambert to potentially be a player who we look at replacing in the summer, and for me Benteke would be a player to look at. Now, The9 has gone a little OTT. Lamberts contribution has been phenominal, and Ill put my hands up and say I was one of those that said he may not have been the man for us in the NPC. I was wrong. Im not so sure that The9 is being so unreasonable though. For me if we can get a better player in any position we currently have Ill be a happy man. And of course there are better options than Lambert out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 He's better than Rooney. Thats pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de-fence Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 I'm ambivalent to him. This isn't even about Lambert, it's about crappy journalism. Read the article, the table used actually tells you how many goals scored and who has the better shot percentage. As for "best English blah blah" it's another genuinely useless "fact". There are not only English players in this competition. Numerous other players have scored more, scored more frequently, completed more passes, assists, etc. Lambert's done well for Saints, and reasonably well for a Prem striker full stop, and much better than some people anticipated, but that's all. Ambivalent?!?!?! Scored over 100 goals for the team you supposedly support in 4 seasons and you're ambivalent about him. Remind me to never take any notice of anything you say on here again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Stop biting you lot ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 As it's an alternative PFA 11, you don't nominate someone who has been nominated for a PFA award in Benteke. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Not just this thread though. You were the first one calling for him to be dropped. Yeah, and he's done well for a mid-table striker this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 As it's an alternative PFA 11, you don't nominate someone who has been nominated for a PFA award in Benteke. Correct? Absolutely, yes. Would have been nice to have been informed by the article that's what the "10 man list" they were referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 (edited) Ambivalent?!?!?! Scored over 100 goals for the team you supposedly support in 4 seasons and you're ambivalent about him. Remind me to never take any notice of anything you say on here again. I don't want his babies like some, that's all. I'm ambivalent to pretty much all footballers other than at the exact moment they do the stuff they're good at. Edited 26 April, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 I for one have singled out Lambert to potentially be a player who we look at replacing in the summer, and for me Benteke would be a player to look at. Now, The9 has gone a little OTT. Lamberts contribution has been phenominal, and Ill put my hands up and say I was one of those that said he may not have been the man for us in the NPC. I was wrong. Im not so sure that The9 is being so unreasonable though. For me if we can get a better player in any position we currently have Ill be a happy man. And of course there are better options than Lambert out there I'm still not passing to you tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Actually bettered by 4 other players not 6, so does that mean he moves from not bad to quite good! 4 players but still 6 occasions. If he does better next season he might overtake a few others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 Stop biting you lot ! Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 April, 2013 Share Posted 26 April, 2013 He's better than Rooney. Thats pretty good. He's played a lot more Prem games than Rooney this season, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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