Tommy Robinson quits EDL

[dinger]

To disassociate himslf from far-right extremism, apparently.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-quits--over-dangers-of-farright-extremism-8866177.html

 

What do we think of this then? Do we take it at face value? Seems quite an abrupt change of political tactic. I mean he's right of course; the EDL has attracted the extreme right, the violent and the hate-fuelled, and has become part of the divisive problem it claimed to want resolved. But isn't that what people have been saying all along? Why the sudden change of heart?

[StDunko]

Perhaps his forthcoming court cases? Or is that just me being cynical?

[andysstuff]

Always struck me as an attention seeking whore. Looks like another chapter in that book to me. His antics last week don't suggest to me that he's had a change of heart as far as violence is concerned.

[scotty]

Very odd one, this. The idea that it is a sincere gesture towards brotherly love and understanding rings somewhat hollow, but who can tell?

[Sour Mash]

To disassociate himslf from far-right extremism, apparently.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-quits--over-dangers-of-farright-extremism-8866177.html

 

What do we think of this then? Do we take it at face value? Seems quite an abrupt change of political tactic. I mean he's right of course; the EDL has attracted the extreme right, the violent and the hate-fuelled, and has become part of the divisive problem it claimed to want resolved. But isn't that what people have been saying all along? Why the sudden change of heart?

Because he's sensible enough to realise that getting large groups out on the streets will only go one way, mainly with him ending up in court, it makes sense to take his message to a more respectable format. His views aren't really far-right, I'm sure some his followers might be though.

[Sour Mash]

Always struck me as an attention seeking whore. Looks like another chapter in that book to me. His antics last week don't suggest to me that he's had a change of heart as far as violence is concerned.

What did he do last week?

[solentstars]

I expect he made his money from the gullible idiot's who followed him and realised all that marching was a waste of time except for the stupid thugs who liked a good punch up and the racists who hate everyone of colour to use fear tactics.....not sure of his reason , has he used to be in the BNP then edl and maybe Ukip his next move. Will upset one poster on here who seemed more worried about the anti racist groups.

 

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[andysstuff]

What did he do last week?

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2013/oct/07/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-twitter

[Sour Mash]

I expect he made his money from the gullible idiot's who followed him and realised all that marching was a waste of time except for the stupid thugs who liked a good punch up and the racists who hate everyone of colour to use fear tactics.....not sure of his reason , has he used to be in the BNP then edl and maybe Ukip his next move. Will upset one poster on here who seemed more worried about the anti racist groups.

 

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It just demonstrates what has always been the case; that Lennon's concept of a group that would rally against the extremes of Islam in the UK was always going to struggle to avoid the kind of followers that would give the movement a bad name. It doesn't sound like he's changed his views, just his approach, which is understandable.

[View From The Top]

His issue has always been with radical Islam in the UK and not Islam the religion and the way that organisations such as the Muslim Council of England have failed to "police their own" or speak out against extreamism in a coherant or powerful way.

 

I may think the bloke is a tool and the EDL a bunch of brain dead f**kwits but his message I understand and it resonates, like it or not, with a very large slice of the UK.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

His issue has always been with radical Islam in the UK and not Islam the religion and the way that organisations such as the Muslim Council of England have failed to "police their own" or speak out against extreamism in a coherant or powerful way.

 

I may think the bloke is a tool and the EDL a bunch of brain dead f**kwits but his message I understand and it resonates, like it or not, with a very large slice of the UK.

 

In theory, this is true. But, the way he presents his points is just ridiculous and not remotely based in reality.

 

It's like Daily Mail headline scaremongering half the time. It's still just pandering to the ignorant, and frankly stupid.

[holepuncture]

his message I understand and it resonates, like it or not, with a very large slice of the UK.

 

This should not be forgotten, Tommy did not bring the edl to prominance, the national media made it happen, the funding came from people in power.

 

Fair play to him for standing up for our country, for being against radical islam and all the damage it brings to our communities, our society and our land.

 

He is doing the right thing really, radical islamists have already tried (and failed) to murder edl campaigners in the bomb plot in June.

 

If we can take a lesson from him I think it is to not be afraid to speak out against something you believe isnt right.

 

Hopefully he can channel his views away from the mob rule and into mainstream politics and argue his point democratically and equally.

 

If he continues to peacefully demonstrate his resistance to islam whilst breaking into the political arena, he should be applauded.

[solentstars]

In theory, this is true. But, the way he presents his points is just ridiculous and not remotely based in reality.

 

It's like Daily Mail headline scaremongering half the time. It's still just pandering to the ignorant, and frankly stupid.

 

I think people have forgotten his stint with the BNP before and that guardian article links by one of the posters on here shows his darker side.still got my doubts he did not know what was happening from day one because of his previous history.

 

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[Sour Mash]

In theory, this is true. But, the way he presents his points is just ridiculous and not remotely based in reality.

 

It's like Daily Mail headline scaremongering half the time. It's still just pandering to the ignorant, and frankly stupid.

He's not an Oxbridge educated politician, but a working class lad from Luton, working without spin doctors etc, his presentation is never going to be great.

[Hatch]

next editor of the Daily Mail I reckon.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

He's not an Oxbridge educated politician, but a working class lad from Luton, working without spin doctors etc, his presentation is never going to be great.

 

It doesn't matter where you are from, blatant lies with no basis are blatant lies with no basis. This is what he uses to stir up hatred and mistrust.

[Sour Mash]

It doesn't matter where you are from, blatant lies with no basis are blatant lies with no basis. This is what he uses to stir up hatred and mistrust.

What are the blatant lies he's told?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

What are the blatant lies he's told?

 

Every single claim he made that there is an Islamist conspiracy to impose sharia law in the UK.

 

I can't stand him, but listen to the interview George Galloway did with him. Calls him up every time he tries to make one of his phony points, asks about any report or study he claims backs up his point and TR simply crumbles. It's all utter nonsense.

[View From The Top]

Every single claim he made that there is an Islamist conspiracy to impose sharia law in the UK.

 

 

There are elements of the extreme right of Islam that do want a harsh version of Sharia law imposed in the UK and are on the record stating that.

 

The vast majority of Muslims simply go about their daily business but to suggest that places such as Luton, B'ham etc do not contain a vocal minority that support in imposition of Sharia is simply wrong.

[Sour Mash]

Every single claim he made that there is an Islamist conspiracy to impose sharia law in the UK.

 

I can't stand him, but listen to the interview George Galloway did with him. Calls him up every time he tries to make one of his phony points, asks about any report or study he claims backs up his point and TR simply crumbles. It's all utter nonsense.

As pointed out by VFTT above, there is reason to believe that some sections of the Muslim community want Sharia in this country, that can't really be disputed and certainly isn't a 'blatant lie'. I'm sure Galloway had a field day with him - one of parliament's best orators versus a former plumber from Luton.

[Pugwash]

Just watched his interview with Paxman on Newsnight. Does seem sincere.

[hypochondriac]

Fair play to him for quitting and taking a more moderate course. I don't think he ever saw himself as a racist, I think he had views about Islamic extremists but was not particularly clever so tried to change things in the wrong way. It seems he has spoken to some Muslims (good idea) and hopefully they can work together to stamp out extremism. Seems like a good thing all round.

[Orange]

I expect he made his money from the gullible idiot's who followed him and realised all that marching was a waste of time except for the stupid thugs who liked a good punch up and the racists who hate everyone of colour to use fear tactics.....not sure of his reason , has he used to be in the BNP then edl and maybe Ukip his next move. Will upset one poster on here who seemed more worried about the anti racist groups.

 

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To become just a member of UKIP you have to declare you haven't been part of the EDL or BNP- so he wouldn't even be able to be a member let alone play any active role.

 

He's really not far right, the real far right old National Front types in fact hate him for being a 'Zionist'.

[Chez]

Every single claim he made that there is an Islamist conspiracy to impose sharia law in the UK.

 

I can't stand him, but listen to the interview George Galloway did with him. Calls him up every time he tries to make one of his phony points, asks about any report or study he claims backs up his point and TR simply crumbles.

 

Are there several of these interviews because I just listened to a talksport interview on YouTube http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=44kZsmByhWA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D44kZsmByhWA

and it's Galloway that comes across badly in my opinion. He spends the whole time pointing out that Robinson is not his real name, yet Robinson was totally open about that and explained why he went by a different name. When he accuses Robinson of making up a survey that said 28 percent of Muslin students think murder is justified, it's Galloway that needs to gets his facts straight. There was such a survey. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2462911/Muslim-students-back-killing-in-the-name-of-Islam.html

 

Telling Robinson he knows nothing about Muslin history, without proving he doesn't, and telling him to shut up lots of times, hardly puts him in his place, if anything it just makes Galloway look limited in his ability to make a fool look like a fool. I wonder even if Robinsons story about women and men being separated at a Respect meeting might even be true. Who knows. But Galloway saying it is a lie isn't terribly convincing.

 

I know nothing about Hammas, but Robinson is correct about the eu saying that they were a terrorist organisation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1441311/Hamas-is-added-to-EUs-blacklist-of-terror.html

His understanding that Galloway supporting them was also true and admitted by Galloway, so, in what was a pretty short discussion, all I got from it was that Galloway was happy to speak up for an organisation that wants to wipe out the jews, whilst Robinson costs the taxpayer money because of his protest marches. Since when did Galloway put the taxpayer before his own ideology?

 

In that particular interview Robinson didn't crumble at all, he just continued to provide information that he felt supported his argument.

 

Blimey. I can't believe I have defended Robinson, but unless there is a different interview I think it's Galloway that came across as phoney.

[Grey Crab]

Out of interest, who exactly ISN'T against radical Islam?

[dinger]

Out of interest, who exactly ISN'T against radical Islam?

 

Islamists.

[Grey Crab]

Islamists.

 

I ain't Islamist mate. Some of my best friends are Muslims.

[Sour Mash]

Out of interest, who exactly ISN'T against radical Islam?

Sections of the Muslim community and the UAF.

[Sour Mash]

Robinson appeared on BBC's Sunday Morning Live programme earlier today and the text vote was 'Does the EDL have legitimate concerns?' 95% voted yes. Seems like his move to take his message to the mainstream is working.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Did he put his hair in a side parting? He likes to do this when he is pretending to be serious on Sunday morning TV programs. Not a super strongbow in sight.

[Tokyo-Saint]

[video=youtube_share;IfZ0RZrjQ00]http://youtu.be/IfZ0RZrjQ00

[holepuncture]

Robinson appeared on BBC's Sunday Morning Live programme earlier today and the text vote was 'Does the EDL have legitimate concerns?' 95% voted yes. Seems like his move to take his message to the mainstream is working.

 

He is being advised by those in power in both the government and the city.

[pap]

[video=youtube_share;IfZ0RZrjQ00]http://youtu.be/IfZ0RZrjQ00

 

Very good find, Tokyos.

 

He's actually got to be pretty thick for getting ambushed like that. The whole EDL "it's about Radical Islam" in tatters in less than three minutes.

[Sour Mash]

Very good find, Tokyos.

 

He's actually got to be pretty thick for getting ambushed like that. The whole EDL "it's about Radical Islam" in tatters in less than three minutes.

Hardly. Most people agree that there should be caps on immigration. Robinson is clearly joining in with the joke on the show as well, it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously.

[pap]

Hardly. Most people agree that there should be caps on immigration. Robinson is clearly joining in with the joke on the show as well, it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously.

 

Nah, he's seriously not very smart.

 

No nous about him.

[Tokyo-Saint]

The EDL are always down for jokes Pap as well as having a very serious political agenda.

[pap]

The EDL are always down for jokes Pap as well as having a very serious political agenda.

 

Did you hear the one about the frightened white people who tried to use Radical Islam in the UK as cover for a wider racist agenda?

[Tokyo-Saint]

hang on.... does this involve a num, a prostitute an SS officer and a member of parliament?

 

if so, then yeah I've heard it before.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Hardly. Most people agree that there should be caps on immigration. Robinson is clearly joining in with the joke on the show as well, it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously.

 

What joke?

[hypochondriac]

What joke?

 

The fact they are putting oversized caps on immigrants.

[Sour Mash]

Nah, he's seriously not very smart.

 

No nous about him.

Ah cheers for that and there was the rest of us thinking he was a leading member of Mensa. You sum up the view of many of the country's middle classes looking down their noses at a working class bloke voicing his opinion because "he's a bit thick", how dare he speak up without a university education.

[Sour Mash]

What joke?

You think that was a serious political discussion? It was a p**stake, and Robinson took it for what it was.

[pap]

Ah cheers for that and there was the rest of us thinking he was a leading member of Mensa. You sum up the view of many of the country's middle classes looking down their noses at a working class bloke voicing his opinion because "he's a bit thick", how dare he speak up without a university education.

 

You couldn't be more wrong, Sour Mash.

 

Jizz-moppers potentially aside, I've never been one to judge someone by the job they do or the education they have. I've known the system to fail too many people for that ever to be a consideration, and have met too many geniuses keeping bars and waiting tables to fall into the "lack of respect" trap you think I've wandered into.

 

I'll be sure to inform both the Flower Estates and the sh!thole I live in now that we're all middle class now thanks to your assessment. They'll be happy with the extra dough, I reckon.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Shut up little Lord Fauntleroy ya bloody toff. Stop trying to be poor.

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

The fact they are putting oversized caps on immigrants.

 

Oh, how funny.

[holepuncture]

a former plumber from Luton.

 

 

I suspect this type of behaviour got his back up!

[Jonnyboy]

Thought he came across quite well on the documentary a couple of nights ago.

 

Never thought I'd ever type that!

 

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[hypochondriac]

Oh, how funny.

 

It's clearly meant to be a joke even if it isn't very funny.