TijuanaTim Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Thinking about needing a few more players. Well we ain't gotta lotta dosh so where is a large pool of pretty decent CCC quality, English speaking, well disciplined players. Hey I know some of the non-pro Americans amongst you may find this cause for abuse...oh well. Some may find this value added and for that it is worth posting. Here is the full list of MLS salaries http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/9_7_08_salary_info_alpha.pdf Now imagine about 2/3 of the dollar amount to deduce pounds. Also, those amongst you that say "Hard to get registered"...I get it, however many are young (like Kyle Davies) and some are Carribean (like the awesome Shalrie Joseph). Most would give their right nad to play in Europe - especially England. e.g. Sasha Kljestan earned about 60 grand last year and he was the national Team's Young Player Of The Year, Sean Franklin earned 20 odd grand and was the MLS's Young MVP....take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 22 December, 2008 Share Posted 22 December, 2008 Do you live in America Tim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Are you on commission - it appears that every other post you make is attempting to flog dodgy US players to us. Your an agent right... do you know LLS perchance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 I don't think people should assume stuff about other posters. There is no evidence that TT lives in America. Maybe he is just aware of overseas players? I know a lot about Turkish football, but I do not live in Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 I don't think people should assume stuff about other posters. There is no evidence that TT lives in America. Maybe he is just aware of overseas players? I know a lot about Turkish football, but I do not live in Turkey. Errrr nobody made any assumptions - they just posed questions based on this and the originators many previous posts on similar subjects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Are you on commission - it appears that every other post you make is attempting to flog dodgy US players to us. Your an agent right... do you know LLS perchance... 'LLS' mate, absolutely. He is responsible for one of the greatest ever 'casual' jazz-funk classics right Hey expected the abuse and snide stuff, all the same look at what they paying some of these excellent yong players...mind-boggling. Kljestan for 60 G, he is as good as anything in the CCC and Franklin for 20 and change, we could afford that for a kid that was MLS Young Player Of The Year....or should we just be typically Anglo - smug - blaize and superior. We need solutions, even if we maintain our current 'youthful' policy, so take the blinkers off girls and think about our club rather than self-satisfying anti-American blurb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 (edited) 'LLS' mate, absolutely. He is responsible for one of the greatest ever 'casual' jazz-funk classics right Hey expected the abuse and snide stuff, all the same look at what they paying some of these excellent yong players...mind-boggling. Kljestan for 60 G, he is as good as anything in the CCC and Franklin for 20 and change, we could afford that for a kid that was MLS Young Player Of The Year....or should we just be typically Anglo - smug - blaize and superior. We need solutions, even if we maintain our current 'youthful' policy, so take the blinkers off girls and think about our club rather than self-satisfying anti-American blurb. No blinkers here and certainly no 'anti-american blurb' (whatever that may be). I was merely highlighting the fact that you constantly appear to be trying to flog us kids from the MLS. I'm not too sure though that our Dutch friend will be very flush with cash at the moment as Rupes appears to be holding the strings quite tightly. Even if he were to look overseas - methinks a Dutch coach is more likely to start to poach players from his 'home' league as opposed to looking over the pond at those available in the good old US of A. I'm sure you have some promising kids there - but you will always suffer from the '4th sport syndrome' behind American Football, Baseball and Basketball - therefore I believe that most european coaches will look to Europe for talent. Edited 23 December, 2008 by Micky Damn typos...!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 No blinkers here and certainly no 'anti-american blurb' (whatever that may be). I was merely highlighting the fact that you constantly appear to be trying to flock us kids from the MLS. I'm not too sure though that our Dutch friend will be very flush with cash at the moment as Rupes appears to be holding the strings quite tightly. Even if he were to look overseas - methings a Dutch coach is more likely to start to poach players from his 'home' league as opposed to looking over the pond at those available in the good old US of A. I'm sure you have some promising kids there - but you will always suffer from the '4th sport syndrome' behind American Football, Baseball and Basketball - therefore I believe that most european coaches will look to Europe for talent. You speak a lot of truth there mush, btw did you dig LLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Awesome Shalrie Joseph? Never heard of him. Also, we have no idea whether any of them are good enough for the English leagues as you have about an extra 30 seconds on the ball in the MLS. In the Championship especially where the favourite tactic is to close down fast and tackle hard, i'd imagine any American footballers coming here would take far too long to adapt. And most of them have been sh*t anyway. McBride was the best so far, Bocanegra was average, Johnson who was supposed to be "the best American striker ever" has done f*ck all even for Cardiff, and Adu has disappeared off the face of the earth. Dempsey was also hailed as "the American Ronaldo" by his former manager - LOL. I'd suggest that when it comes to rating these players, it is the Americans who are being typically smug - blaize - and superior, not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 (edited) Awesome Shalrie Joseph? Never heard of him. Also, we have no idea whether any of them are good enough for the English leagues as you have about an extra 30 seconds on the ball in the MLS. In the Championship especially where the favourite tactic is to close down fast and tackle hard, i'd imagine any American footballers coming here would take far too long to adapt. And most of them have been sh*t anyway. McBride was the best so far, Bocanegra was average, Johnson who was supposed to be "the best American striker ever" has done f*ck all even for Cardiff, and Adu has disappeared off the face of the earth. Dempsey was also hailed as "the American Ronaldo" by his former manager - LOL. I'd suggest that when it comes to rating these players, it is the Americans who are being typically smug - blaize - and superior, not us. Hello clark, Have you heard of John Harkes, Brad Friedel, Tim Howard etc? I would suggest that there have been as many if not more US successes recently than Argentina (who are mega). Freddy Adu is still a kid and has performed excellently during his development He is now becoming an established international after a glittering youth career. In the recent Youth U-20 WC Freddy was generally regarded by experts as one the major successes of the tournament, giving Bart a nightmare amongst other outstanding games. I have never heard anyone call Dempsey 'Ronaldo', what is your source ?(expect no reply on that one as it appears nowhere after a net search). If anyone did say that they must have been high! Boca would be just exactly what we need right now, sad to say he would not play for a team as poor as us right now. If Eddie Johnson came to the Galaxy he would be their fourth best striker and they were bottom....Fulham signed an average player. Landon Donovan is the best ever US striker. American players can't be described as anything but fairly humble as a generalization, due mostly to the fact that they are fairly unknown and basically third class sporting citizens. I apologize if I offend, however I do think that sometimes as English we do look at US players and think they are inferior, sub-standard and attach many out-dated, negative stereotypes. I don't care where we get good players that we can afford from as long as we get some!! I talk of the States and the MLS because I know about it, I understand their weaknesses and their values. I don't know about others on here, but me - I just want what's best for our Saints. Maybe more people should spend more time channelling positive though and energy towards Saints and less whinging and espousing ill-informed negativety. Oh and Shalrie Joseph....bet you'd never heard of Pahars 10 years ago either and Celtic had a 2mil bid for him turned down??? Edited 23 December, 2008 by TijuanaTim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Don't people from non-EC countries have to have work permits to play in our league? And aren't there strict guidelines as to whether they can be awarded? I hope I'm wrong, but I am sure that is how we have missed out on several players over the years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 You're right Tim, plenty of talent here, at affordable prices too. Unfortunately it seems to be fashionable on here to pooh-pooh anything that comes from the USA. I guess they would rather watch the dross we have been playing every week than admit even once that some players from the West might possibly have more talent than say McGoalless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Don't people from non-EC countries have to have work permits to play in our league? And aren't there strict guidelines as to whether they can be awarded? I hope I'm wrong, but I am sure that is how we have missed out on several players over the years..... You are right, so you get them young (ala Franklin, Kljestan or even Kyle Davies who we already have) or you get the likes of Joseph who is a Commonwealth citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 You're right Tim, plenty of talent here, at affordable prices too. Unfortunately it seems to be fashionable on here to pooh-pooh anything that comes from the USA. I guess they would rather watch the dross we have been playing every week than admit even once that some players from the West might possibly have more talent than say McGoalless? Surely we should pick up a couple or three useful, hard working, diligent, willing to learn, eager and CHEAP young US players, desperate to prove themselve's and American football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Surely we should pick up a couple or three useful, hard working, diligent, willing to learn, eager and CHEAP young US players, desperate to prove themselve's and American football. Absolutely! The biggest difference we would see, when compared with the current crop at Saints, would be desire and work rate. That and the talent that is obviously present in the American and Caribbean youngsters would go a long way towards improving our outlook for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Happy Christmas Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 You're right Tim, plenty of talent here, at affordable prices too. Unfortunately it seems to be fashionable on here to pooh-pooh anything that comes from the USA. I guess they would rather watch the dross we have been playing every week than admit even once that some players from the West might possibly have more talent than say McGoalless? I've said to Tim before to get in touch with the club and mark their card. We have tended to look on the MLS at a retirement home for old players to play show games at the end of their careers, but if we could get some young players eager to prove their abilities, then I'm right behind it. Oh and Tim, I share your passion for LLS too - Lonnie Liston Smith, that is, not the rare poster on here. If you can upload a few more smooth jazz notes, I'll be clicking the links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Hello clark, Have you heard of John Harkes, Brad Friedel, Tim Howard etc? I would suggest that there have been as many if not more US successes recently than Argentina (who are mega). WTF? Are you suggesting that the US have produced better players than Argentina recently?! Better players than Messi, Tevez, Mascheraaaaaano? A big LOL @ that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Thank god! Tim has created a thread about a different subject to those he usually creates!! Oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Write the Americans off at your peril. Their expertise at fitness, athletics and their magnificent college sport system. is unsurpassed. Some colleges have grounds and regular crowds of over 100,000. If soccer ever gets a real following they will rule the world. It would be a sensible place to start recruiting, we should also do more in Ireland and Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Also, those amongst you that say "Hard to get registered"...I get it, however many are young (like Kyle Davies)...Most would give their right nad to play in Europe - especially England. Sounds good - we should sign him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 WTF? Are you suggesting that the US have produced better players than Argentina recently?! Better players than Messi, Tevez, Mascheraaaaaano? A big LOL @ that. Not at all, just that Argentine players have not recently succeeded, generally speaking, that well in England....besides the two that spent virtually all their formative time in Brazil. I played for a good Argentinean team for 3+ years and have huge respect for them. They are great in Spain and Italy...but England?? Crespo and JSV for example - there was 100,000,000 pound well spent huh? John Harkes did more in England than the two put together..and yes he cost, wait for it...fu¢k all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Thank god! Tim has created a thread about a different subject to those he usually creates!! Oh... Fair enough...just thought it was pretty fascinating when you can see what each and every player gets. And how cheaply (as our Saints are broke) you can pick up a well disciplined, fit, strong, decent, young player with great motivation and attitude for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Happy Christmas Tim Merry Chrimbo to you too mate, are you getting to any games now and if so how are they looking to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Write the Americans off at your peril. Their expertise at fitness, athletics and their magnificent college sport system. is unsurpassed. Some colleges have grounds and regular crowds of over 100,000. If soccer ever gets a real following they will rule the world. It would be a sensible place to start recruiting, we should also do more in Ireland and Scotland. erm, we have been doing this football thing long enough to get this part of it weighed off I reckon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Fair enough...just thought it was pretty fascinating when you can see what each and every player gets. And how cheaply (as our Saints are broke) you can pick up a well disciplined, fit, strong, decent, young player with great motivation and attitude for. Tim, when you come over next time, bring some of the players with you. More importantly, bring several groups of those Ra Ra Girls/Ladies who would get a game in the side at the moment. Cheer the fans up and by the sound of it they could have performed at The Agm. MERRY XMAS to you and your nearest and dearest. BEST WISHES To big RON and his nearest and dearest. COYR and play up Warsash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 erm, we have been doing this football thing long enough to get this part of it weighed off I reckon.... Yes we have however, are we to smart to learn? Is our situation so perfect we cannot seek improvement? Or should we only tell people how to do things and not look and listen ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Yes we have however, are we to smart to learn? Is our situation so perfect we cannot seek improvement? Or should we only tell people how to do things and not look and listen ourselves? of course we can improve..but to suggest getting in an american because of "their fitness"...suggest that we are bad at it... which of course, in general, we are not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Tim, when you come over next time, bring some of the players with you. More importantly, bring several groups of those Ra Ra Girls/Ladies who would get a game in the side at the moment. Cheer the fans up and by the sound of it they could have performed at The Agm. MERRY XMAS to you and your nearest and dearest. BEST WISHES To big RON and his nearest and dearest. COYR and play up Warsash Thanks so much mate and a Cool Yule to you too, Ron is doing fantastically, he is happy, healthier and in much less financial strife. http://www.giveittoron.co.uk/ I will be chatting with him in about 15-20 minutes. Warsash FC founded 1895 - The Crabs, enjoyed my time with them as a youth, reserve and 1st team player and manager. Good to see them at it again....how many Bevises, Chases and Edwardses do they have playing these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 of course we can improve..but to suggest getting in an american because of "their fitness"...suggest that we are bad at it... which of course, in general, we are not.. You forget I am proud to originate from England, no players have more heart - guts and dogged determination than the English to go with good fitness. I have never at any stage or never will suggest we can not match others for fitness/determination and resent you suggesting that...so hopefully you only misread what I was writing or read between the lines or something mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 You forget I am proud to originate from England, no players have more heart - guts and dogged determination than the English to go with good fitness. I have never at any stage or never will suggest we can not match others for fitness/determination and resent you suggesting that...so hopefully you only misread what I was writing or read between the lines or something mate. it is all good mate...sorry if i got the wrong end..i really enjoy your posts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 RE the Dempsey-Ronaldo comparison, I too cannot find a link but I distinctly remember seeing an interview with New Englands manager where he said that Dempsey was the American Ronaldo. Of this i'm 1000% certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 23 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 23 December, 2008 RE the Dempsey-Ronaldo comparison, I too cannot find a link but I distinctly remember seeing an interview with New Englands manager where he said that Dempsey was the American Ronaldo. Of this i'm 1000% certain. Far enough mate...btw the New England coach is ex-Liverpool Steve Nichol, surprised at him to be honest, as he normally seems more conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 e.g. Sasha Kljestan earned about 60 grand last year and he was the national Team's Young Player Of The Year, Sean Franklin earned 20 odd grand and was the MLS's Young MVP....take a look. I see the minimum compensation, but what's the realistic price for these two in your opinion. We have about...sod all in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Merry Chrimbo to you too mate, are you getting to any games now and if so how are they looking to you? There for the start of all the home games but ashamed to say have walked out early on a few occasions. Basically we cannot score, cannot defend crosses and lack leadership of the pitch. Wolves and Forest both have young squads but they play with the passion of their managers, Jan i am afraid is a typical dutchmen , so laid back he falls over and that attitude has spread to a lot of the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Actually, on reflection, I think there's a lot to be said for sending Rupert on a US and A scouting mission. They'd love him over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Thanks so much mate and a Cool Yule to you too, Ron is doing fantastically, he is happy, healthier and in much less financial strife. http://www.giveittoron.co.uk/ I will be chatting with him in about 15-20 minutes. Warsash FC founded 1895 - The Crabs, enjoyed my time with them as a youth, reserve and 1st team player and manager. Good to see them at it again....how many Bevises, Chases and Edwardses do they have playing these days? http://www.giveittoron.co.uk Hope I have got that right this time and well worth a visit, you luvverly supporters Merry xmas posters Lets hope we get Ron and Chris over next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 December, 2008 Share Posted 23 December, 2008 Far enough mate...btw the New England coach is ex-Liverpool Steve Nichol, surprised at him to be honest, as he normally seems more conservative. It may not have been him at the time, as it was said nearly 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 24 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 24 December, 2008 I've said to Tim before to get in touch with the club and mark their card. We have tended to look on the MLS at a retirement home for old players to play show games at the end of their careers, but if we could get some young players eager to prove their abilities, then I'm right behind it. Oh and Tim, I share your passion for LLS too - Lonnie Liston Smith, that is, not the rare poster on here. If you can upload a few more smooth jazz notes, I'll be clicking the links. Smooth....that's what Alan Ball used to be when operating our midfield and pulling all the strings, Bally was a huge proponent of the US game. He felt he returned a better play when it got a bit stale back in the UK...per request another link. God I wish we had two great up front again, like this combo Wilton Felder and the great soulster Bobby Womack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 You're right Tim, plenty of talent here, at affordable prices too. Unfortunately it seems to be fashionable on here to pooh-pooh anything that comes from the USA. I guess they would rather watch the dross we have been playing every week than admit even once that some players from the West might possibly have more talent than say McGoalless? More to the point, do you have any managers that could do better than our Dutch Conference semi-pro equivalent level "coach"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 24 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 24 December, 2008 Great question my friend and believe the answer is yes on several counts. Sigi Schmid is an out and out winner as is Dominic Kinnear. The obvious choice would be Stevie Nichol, however he is so happy here who knows. Our own Colin Clarke did a good job in a couple of places. If I had to choose I think I would want Schmid, who has won championships his whole career and never rests unless he is winning....he will work and work, when he gets tired he works some more to cover every option to ensure winning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigi_Schmid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunrise Posted 24 December, 2008 Share Posted 24 December, 2008 It would be worth giving it a go - if we can get work permits. Surely some of those player can't be any worse than the likes of Smith, Robertson and Pekhart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 RE the Dempsey-Ronaldo comparison, I too cannot find a link but I distinctly remember seeing an interview with New Englands manager where he said that Dempsey was the American Ronaldo. Of this i'm 1000% certain. Another cr@p performance from Dempsey again today ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Another cr@p performance from Dempsey again today ;-) i KNEW you would pop up with something like that.. :yawinkle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TijuanaTim Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 i KNEW you would pop up with something like that.. :yawinkle: Yeah I was predictable huh....Tune in and listen to the Saints here, concurrently watching the prem. Two great games so far Foolum/Chelsk and Saintsburn v Man Sheiky...two more games to go. Dempsey was outstanding tbf, no Ronaldinlo but very good. Merry Xmas mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Smooth....that's what Alan Ball used to be when operating our midfield and pulling all the strings, Bally was a huge proponent of the US game. He felt he returned a better play when it got a bit stale back in the UK...per request another link. God I wish we had two great up front again, like this combo Wilton Felder and the great soulster Bobby Womack Yes, Inherit the Wind - I was blowing the sax even before the link opened. Got any Boney James?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 December, 2008 Share Posted 29 December, 2008 Tijuana Tim may well have a good point about tapping this source of potentially good (& cheap) players - unfortunately I guess we just haven't got the resources to go and watch overseas players anymore . Indeed our international scouting network seems to be reduced to whoever Georges Prost happens to recommend . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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