Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ...people on both sides getting all excited about some coins and the definition of a throw.....getting all up tight about a picture and beating of chests that someone stood up and told lowe he is not welcome at the club... Let me get this straight..I want lowe gone as much as most of you...but that was the downfall last time we wanted him out...we stamped out feet and listened to any old guff despite warnings lowe would return...many of us just stuck our fingers in our ears and ignored the warning signs... NOW...many threads are discussing what to do to get lowe out of the club, boycotts, banners etc...but is that all we have...a few nasty words and a few coins...? the AGM was the perfect platform for crouch OR ANYONE to put forward sensible alternatives to what lowe is doing financially..(i agree, jan has to go)...simply using that platform to tell someone they are not welcome is hardly going to win over the bank or anyone undecided on lowe.. why oh why did leon NOT state his ambitions and what he would do with the club in the current climate should he have the power.. instead, the only people who are able to make any sort of dent into lowes position...simply turned their back on it..and walked out.. so, IMO, there is still yet to be a legitimate workable alternative to waht lowe is doing to be proposed...simply saying "well, lets delist"..ok how, who and when, what happens after..? see what I mean..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ...people on both sides getting all excited about some coins and the definition of a throw.....getting all up tight about a picture and beating of chests that someone stood up and told lowe he is not welcome at the club... Let me get this straight..I want lowe gone as much as most of you...but that was the downfall last time we wanted him out...we stamped out feet and listened to any old guff despite warnings lowe would return...many of us just stuck our fingers in our ears and ignored the warning signs... NOW...many threads are discussing what to do to get lowe out of the club, boycotts, banners etc...but is that all we have...a few nasty words and a few coins...? the AGM was the perfect platform for crouch OR ANYONE to put forward sensible alternatives to what lowe is doing financially..(i agree, jan has to go)...simply using that platform to tell someone they are not welcome is hardly going to win over the bank or anyone undecided on lowe.. why oh why did leon NOT state his ambitions and what he would do with the club in the current climate should he have the power.. instead, the only people who are able to make any sort of dent into lowes position...simply turned their back on it..and walked out.. so, IMO, there is still yet to be a legitimate workable alternative to waht lowe is doing to be proposed...simply saying "well, lets delist"..ok how, who and when, what happens after..? see what I mean..? Look. This has already been discussed on another thread a few moments ago. What possesses you to raise it as a separate thread? Ego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 This forum is a very useful release valve for all those who want to have their say but haven't the means, motivation or the savvy to do anything more about it. Happy New Year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Look. This has already been discussed on another thread a few moments ago. What possesses you to raise it as a separate thread? Ego? ok..what sensible alternatives are there as an option to lowe... seriouly..? not just conjour up an idea in your head that sounds good...but real alternatives..as that will be the only way to get lowe out for good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ...people on both sides getting all excited about some coins and the definition of a throw.....getting all up tight about a picture and beating of chests that someone stood up and told lowe he is not welcome at the club... Let me get this straight..I want lowe gone as much as most of you...but that was the downfall last time we wanted him out...we stamped out feet and listened to any old guff despite warnings lowe would return...many of us just stuck our fingers in our ears and ignored the warning signs... NOW...many threads are discussing what to do to get lowe out of the club, boycotts, banners etc...but is that all we have...a few nasty words and a few coins...? the AGM was the perfect platform for crouch OR ANYONE to put forward sensible alternatives to what lowe is doing financially..(i agree, jan has to go)...simply using that platform to tell someone they are not welcome is hardly going to win over the bank or anyone undecided on lowe.. why oh why did leon NOT state his ambitions and what he would do with the club in the current climate should he have the power.. instead, the only people who are able to make any sort of dent into lowes position...simply turned their back on it..and walked out.. so, IMO, there is still yet to be a legitimate workable alternative to waht lowe is doing to be proposed...simply saying "well, lets delist"..ok how, who and when, what happens after..? see what I mean..? There would be no point Crouch or anyone else stating what they would or wouldn't do because the ONLY person that has any influence either way was not even at the bloody meeting. Would you bother putting together a business plan that would be completely ignored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ok..what sensible alternatives are there as an option to lowe... seriouly..? not just conjour up an idea in your head that sounds good...but real alternatives..as that will be the only way to get lowe out for good.... Wilde sells his shares to Crouch. Would get rid of Lowe forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ...people on both sides getting all excited about some coins and the definition of a throw.....getting all up tight about a picture and beating of chests that someone stood up and told lowe he is not welcome at the club... Let me get this straight..I want lowe gone as much as most of you...but that was the downfall last time we wanted him out...we stamped out feet and listened to any old guff despite warnings lowe would return...many of us just stuck our fingers in our ears and ignored the warning signs... NOW...many threads are discussing what to do to get lowe out of the club, boycotts, banners etc...but is that all we have...a few nasty words and a few coins...? the AGM was the perfect platform for crouch OR ANYONE to put forward sensible alternatives to what lowe is doing financially..(i agree, jan has to go)...simply using that platform to tell someone they are not welcome is hardly going to win over the bank or anyone undecided on lowe.. why oh why did leon NOT state his ambitions and what he would do with the club in the current climate should he have the power.. instead, the only people who are able to make any sort of dent into lowes position...simply turned their back on it..and walked out.. so, IMO, there is still yet to be a legitimate workable alternative to waht lowe is doing to be proposed...simply saying "well, lets delist"..ok how, who and when, what happens after..? see what I mean..? Good Post mate, I think crouch and the others intentions were in the right place but he let his temper get the better of him as most of us would do when faced with Rupert James Graham Lowe's smug grin! I feel now is time for crouch to come out with his plan B publicly if he has one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 has Crouch made an offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 There would be no point Crouch or anyone else stating what they would or wouldn't do because the ONLY person that has any influence either way was not even at the bloody meeting. Would you bother putting together a business plan that would be completely ignored? not the point...the fact he stood up and made throw away comments suggests he wanted fans to see his displeasure..and fair enough.. he could have said his proposed plans in the room..infront of influencial figures and the local press...heck, he could have given a dossier of some sorts to the media there....and claimed HE was the man with a plan so to speak.. instead, he walked out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 has Crouch made an offer? An offer of what? he's not in a position to buy all the shares etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 "Show me the money" a shout out to Falsehope or anyone else out there who has publicly criticised the current regime who are/were in a position to make a permanent change for the betterment of our club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 "Show me the money" a shout out to Falsehope or anyone else out there who has publicly criticised the current regime who are/were in a position to make a permanent change for the betterment of our club. good point...there have been alot of citicism of what lowe is doing rightly and wrongly on different aspects...but HE IS DOING SOMETHING...he and the current set up are the only ones with a plan of any sorts....it maybe flawed in the manager front but it is a plan to try and save the club from administration... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 The off-stated "there is no alternative to Lowe" is bull****. A monkey could do what Lowe is doing. Slashing costs is as easy as pie.As far as that goes,Lowe is doing nothing that Crouch wouldn't have done,and had already agreed with the bank. We did not need Lowe back to slash and burn.The bank is calling the shots anyway. What we didn't need is a useless dutch manager fielding equally clueless players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 The off-stated "there is no alternative to Lowe" is bull****. A monkey could do what Lowe is doing. Slashing costs is as easy as pie.As far as that goes,Lowe is doing nothing that Crouch wouldn't have done,and had already agreed with the bank. We did not need Lowe back to slash and burn.The bank is calling the shots anyway. What we didn't need is a useless dutch manager fielding equally clueless players. so...the alternative to lowe is a monkey then...? I can see why he is still at out club..:smt044 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 good point...there have been alot of citicism of what lowe is doing rightly and wrongly on different aspects...but HE IS DOING SOMETHING...he and the current set up are the only ones with a plan of any sorts....it maybe flawed in the manager front but it is a plan to try and save the club from administration... Complete contradiction in terms. A manager who doesn't get results (well 1 home win), reduces attendances, worsens finances ... will lead us into administration. ....whereas a manager that improves performances, will gain results, lift attendances, improve the finances.....which may save us from administration. So to be flawed on the manager front, whilst cost-cutting will not save us from administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 good point...there have been alot of citicism of what lowe is doing rightly and wrongly on different aspects...but HE IS DOING SOMETHING...he and the current set up are the only ones with a plan of any sorts....it maybe flawed in the manager front but it is a plan to try and save the club from administration... But surely He realised a plan to save the club shouldn't involve appointing a dutch manager who has zero experience of english football it was obvious to all it was absoulute suicide, and he had more than enough opportunity to realise experience was the way forward, be that with pearson or another english manager but no his ego wouldn't let him and for that he cannot be forgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 But surely He realised a plan to save the club shouldn't involve apointinting a dutch manager who has zero experience of english football it was obvious to all it was absoulute suicide, and he had more than enough opportunity to realise experience was the way forward, be that with pearson or another english manager but no his ego wouldn't let him and for that he cannot be forgiven all true....but still....as was the point of the thread...NO ONE else has mentioned any form of sensible alternative...other than dream up ideas on a message board... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1965onwards Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Exactly,Bognor Saint,Lowe has come back and made matters worse with his bizarre decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 good point...there have been alot of citicism of what lowe is doing rightly and wrongly on different aspects...but HE IS DOING SOMETHING...he and the current set up are the only ones with a plan of any sorts....it maybe flawed in the manager front but it is a plan to try and save the club from administration... Do you have any proof that Leon did not have an idea? It's just that Crouch didn't make it public, spouting off about revolutionary new methods and how different his idea was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Do you have any proof that Leon did not have an idea? It's just that Crouch didn't make it public, spouting off about revolutionary new methods and how different his idea was. well..if he does have a plan..lets hear it...that will well and truely get people doing more to get lowe out...if the fans had someone to unite behind (dare i say it..like wilde) then lowe will sooner or later..go.. until then.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 ...people on both sides getting all excited about some coins and the definition of a throw.....getting all up tight about a picture and beating of chests that someone stood up and told lowe he is not welcome at the club... Let me get this straight..I want lowe gone as much as most of you...but that was the downfall last time we wanted him out...we stamped out feet and listened to any old guff despite warnings lowe would return...many of us just stuck our fingers in our ears and ignored the warning signs... NOW...many threads are discussing what to do to get lowe out of the club, boycotts, banners etc...but is that all we have...a few nasty words and a few coins...? the AGM was the perfect platform for crouch OR ANYONE to put forward sensible alternatives to what lowe is doing financially..(i agree, jan has to go)...simply using that platform to tell someone they are not welcome is hardly going to win over the bank or anyone undecided on lowe.. why oh why did leon NOT state his ambitions and what he would do with the club in the current climate should he have the power.. instead, the only people who are able to make any sort of dent into lowes position...simply turned their back on it..and walked out.. so, IMO, there is still yet to be a legitimate workable alternative to waht lowe is doing to be proposed...simply saying "well, lets delist"..ok how, who and when, what happens after..? see what I mean..? At the current time, I am really less interested in getting rid of Lowe (and Wilde) than getting rid of JP. Getting shot of Lowe and Wilde must be an aim, we will never prosper or improve while they have the reigns. BUT, unless JP is replaced pronto, we will not even be in this division next season, and then the problems get even worse, or maybe even terminal. It is clear that anyone with an ounce of sense could do what Lowe is doing cost-saving wise, indeed most of what is being done was actually put in place by Lee Hoos and Crouch. Lowe has brought nothing to the table in terms of far-sighted ideas of turning the plc around, he has just implemented what anyone else would have done. He is no financial genius (indeed many would argue very strongly that he is financially incompetent). The one BIG mistake he has made is employ a third-rate foreign coach who has no idea how to manage an English 2nd division team, and no idea how to motivate young players. Get that sorted and at least we have a chance of survival, then we can think about the longer term. I imagine thats why Leon did not put forward an alternate proposal, the only alternative at the moment is a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Crouch had his opportunity to sort the club out and failed miserably.He's all mouth and trousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 all true....but still....as was the point of the thread...NO ONE else has mentioned any form of sensible alternative...other than dream up ideas on a message board... There will be no grand takeover or Lowe removal, the only thing that we can hope imo is that prep boy realises he's made a catastrophic appointment and brings in an experienced head be that billy davies (selling a couple of players to allow for this) or another experienced manager, from a lower league even. can't be any worse than carrying on like this, but he needs to act and he needs to do it fast we are over half way through the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 I have no problem with the fans boycotting or demonstrating to show we are not happy with the status quo but I agree that anything we do is not going to get rid of lowe any more this time than it did last time. Even if crouch bought wildes shares lowe would still be in the background making waves. only when he is shareless and booted out completly along with those who proxy there shares too him will we be able to properly talk about the saints without worrying what Lowe is going to feck up next. Something has to change to get us winning but I dont see how singing swing lowe or boycotting will achieve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 Crouch had his opportunity to sort the club out and failed miserably.He's all mouth and trousers. When was that? It would have been last summer but clearly he was deprived of that by Quisling and Haw-haw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 all true....but still....as was the point of the thread...NO ONE else has mentioned any form of sensible alternative...other than dream up ideas on a message board... Wilde sells his shares to Crouch. Would get rid of Lowe forever. It's not even complicated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 It's not even complicated i can see where your coming from but Lowe would still be in the background with those that support him and would still give us a split everything. onlywawy he will be gone forever will be if someone buys his shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 December, 2008 Share Posted 28 December, 2008 i can see where your coming from but Lowe would still be in the background with those that support him and would still give us a split everything. onlywawy he will be gone forever will be if someone buys his shares. But if Crouch owned Wilde's shares there would be no changing of minds so Lowe would NEVER get the majority backing he needs to get back to 'power'. Would probably **** him off even more being in the background knowing there was bugger all he could do about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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