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I can not believe (or perhaps I should expect it by now) the open misogyny in this thread. It's clear sexism is everywhere, and that a lot of people just don't get it. Why the hell should women have to go day to day being treatment like an object and subject to different standards? It shouldn't be acceptable or the norm.

 

Bet your search history is full of porn though.

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Playing devils advocate here slightly but it is men who are in the harder position. What is appropriate what is manly what is sensitive. Some women want it all. They get their hen pecked fella and then moan he has no back bone.

I married a good one thankfully.

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I've certainly got good thread response rates! With a bit more training I'm sure I could turn nasty too! Does that mean I can join the Birmingham Bully Boy Club?!

 

Actually, er, no thanks. ;)

 

What's the Birmingham Bully boy club??!

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Playing devils advocate here slightly but it is men who are in the harder position. What is appropriate what is manly what is sensitive. Some women want it all. They get their hen pecked fella and then moan he has know back bone.

I married a good one thankfully.

 

And does he think you've got a nice arse too? ;)

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Oh, here we go boys.... Here come the 'she said this to me, and I wasn't offended. Can't see what the problem is...' stories...

 

Let's fill up a couple more pages if we can. Any lurkers feeling nervous to come forward with your 'why would you care what a stranger says to you...' stories? Now's your moment!! Come and feel part of the crowd, it will make you feel good about yourself I promise you!!!

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Playing devils advocate here slightly but it is men who are in the harder position. What is appropriate what is manly what is sensitive. Some women want it all. They get their hen pecked fella and then moan he has no back bone.

I married a good one thankfully.

 

You're right. mrs Turdish is always saying how she likes real men yet when I scratch my balls and fart whilst drinking a can of Stella she says its disgusting. You can't win.

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Oh, here we go boys.... Here come the 'she said this to me, and I wasn't offended. Can't see what the problem is...' stories...

 

Let's fill up a couple more pages if we can. Any lurkers feeling nervous to come forward with your 'why would you care what a stranger says to you...' stories? Now's your moment!! Come and feel part of the crowd, it will make you feel good about yourself I promise you!!!

 

You can't take this place too seriously Lou. And can't educate them for sure.

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Oh, here we go boys.... Here come the 'she said this to me, and I wasn't offended. Can't see what the problem is...' stories...

 

Let's fill up a couple more pages if we can. Any lurkers feeling nervous to come forward with your 'why would you care what a stranger says to you...' stories? Now's your moment!! Come and feel part of the crowd, it will make you feel good about yourself I promise you!!!

 

To be fair Lou, you said I wasn't interested in what you had to say, so i asked you to explain why those things offended you, and you've ignored it. I know they're ****tish things to say, but what has actually offended you?

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To be fair Lou, you said I wasn't interested in what you had to say, so i asked you to explain why those things offended you, and you've ignored it. I know they're ****tish things to say, but what has actually offended you?

 

I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it.

 

Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?!

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I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it.

 

Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?!

 

Yet you got all lairy earlier because you said we weren't showing any desire to want to empathise with your point of view?

 

And in regards to your it's a football forum comment- it's a football crowd making comments about tits, what did you expect? :)

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I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it.

 

Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?!

 

But what's the difference between the types of abuse? Why is one significantly worse than the others? That's what I don't get more than anything. Yes, if it's discrimination that's one thing, but someone shouting slag at a woman in the street, or someone shouting that at me in the street what's the ddifference?

 

You had a go at us being unable to empathise, but now you're doing the same?

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Yet you got all lairy earlier because you said we weren't showing any desire to want to empathise with your point of view?

 

Exasperated, Hypo. Not lairy. I don't do lairy. Still exasperated, and a bit depressed alongside it. I predict, ooh, roughly 9 years, before things start changing. Is that a bit too optimistic? Maybe!

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I'm not offended! I can't answer some of the questions you're asking, because the fact you're asking them in the first place, suggests we're in a very different place on it, and I don't think I'd be able to scratch the surface with a response, so best not go there. You ask if I would be offended by a stranger in the street calling me a slag. You compare that to the fact people call you all sorts of names on here and you don't take offence. You and your life experience is so far removed from me and my life experience, that there no point trying to persuade you any differently, because you're clearly not going to get it. I'm not saying that to be rude, it's just reality, and no point wasting energy on it.

 

Anyway, it's a football forum - what did I expect?!

 

Being serious (yes, I can be), I get it. Yes the FA are being sightly deluded because there will ALWAYS be a minority who chant ridiculous things (i.e. the Chelsea 'racist' rubbish that's come up again today), but as with all of society, you'll never stamp it out.

It is slightly stupid to class racism and sexism as the same, because they aren't - for many reasons I won't go into now, but chants about the latter will happen because some sections of the fanbase aren't very bright and will act like children. I actually think our our fanbase is pretty good in all honesty, compared to many I've heard.

 

Lou, totally get your stance, but I honestly don't think it's something that will go away. In many years, the world will be different and my son will be having very different discussions when he's my age for sure.

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But what's the difference between the types of abuse? Why is one significantly worse than the others? That's what I don't get more than anything. Yes, if it's discrimination that's one thing, but someone shouting slag at a woman in the street, or someone shouting that at me in the street what's the ddifference?

 

You had a go at us being unable to empathise, but now you're doing the same?

 

Haven't you learnt anything??! It's much much worse because we don't experience it every day, or something. (I don't know one woman, and I work with 95% woman, who would agree). I'm going to walk down the street tomorrow and I'll be sure to stop all those disgusting men shouting hideous abuse and unsuspecting girls. Or something.

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Exasperated, Hypo. Not lairy. I don't do lairy. Still exasperated, and a bit depressed alongside it. I predict, ooh, roughly 9 years, before things start changing. Is that a bit too optimistic? Maybe!

 

Do you think everyone who has not agreed is sexist or a misogynist?

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Exasperated, Hypo. Not lairy. I don't do lairy. Still exasperated, and a bit depressed alongside it. I predict, ooh, roughly 9 years, before things start changing. Is that a bit too optimistic? Maybe!

 

I know a good pill for depression. It's called trycoxagain.

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Haven't you learnt anything??! It's much much worse because we don't experience it every day, or something. (I don't know one woman, and I work with 95% woman, who would agree). I'm going to walk down the street tomorrow and I'll be sure to stop all those disgusting men shouting hideous abuse and unsuspecting girls. Or something.

 

I get abuse on here every day for having a point of view, and trying to explain it appropriately on this forum. A lot.of people think I'm a ****, and thats fair enough, it's their opinion, but I'm actually really not. All I do is play devils advocate, and tend to hypothesise a lot, but it seems people don't like that.

 

Fair enough I guess.

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Being serious (yes, I can be), I get it. Yes the FA are being sightly deluded...

 

I actually think our our fanbase is pretty good in all honesty, compared to many I've heard.

 

Lou, totally get your stance, but I honestly don't think it's something that will go away. In many years, the world will be different and my son will be having very different discussions when he's my age for sure.

 

Thank f*ck, some sanity.

 

The FA are starting the debate. Before now, there hasn't even been any debate. For that it's a good thing. Not sure if this thread has achieved much, but at least it's making people think, even if they don't agree. That's a starter for something.

 

And yes, I agree our fan base are good. (Millwall with Sian Massey on the line was a very different experience...yikes).

 

It definitely won't go away this generation, but it might when your kids get older, if we start the conversation now.

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Do you think everyone who has not agreed is sexist or a misogynist?

 

I don't know really. I think a lot of people don't really know what it's like to be female, or what we put up with. But then they wouldn't, would they. I think it would be interesting to let you experience it - it won't be like you expect!

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I don't know really. I think a lot of people don't really know what it's like to be female, or what we put up with. But then they wouldn't, would they. I think it would be interesting to let you experience it - it won't be like you expect!

 

Not really sure you speak for all females though. What you describe isn't anything like what the women I speak to go through. I just asked my fiancee and she doesn't feel disrespected by men all the time. I expect if I asked the women I employ they would say similar. As someone said earlier maybe it's just where you live?

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Haven't you learnt anything??! It's much much worse because we don't experience it every day, or something. (I don't know one woman, and I work with 95% woman, who would agree). I'm going to walk down the street tomorrow and I'll be sure to stop all those disgusting men shouting hideous abuse and unsuspecting girls. Or something.

 

Ooh, here's another one!!

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Not really sure you speak for all females though. What you describe isn't anything like what the women I speak to go through. I just asked my fiancee and she doesn't feel disrespected by men all the time. I expect if I asked the women I employ they would say similar. As someone said earlier maybe it's just where you live?

 

When have I said I feel disrespected by men all the time? Don't put words in my mouth, thank you.

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Hey back then you'd have to get a flat cap to sneak in as a woman at a football match

 

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To be fair, I always follow these rules when I'm interacting with you lot.

 

I always try and be gay (even when I'm really thinking your a bunch of d*cks)

 

I always try and be happy when I see you, and fake laughter at Turks jokes.

 

I never ask you questions about your actions or question your judgement (except UJ, PB, Hypo, Whelk, Griffo, Sourcream...)

 

I know my place.

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Lou hats off for starting this thought provoking thread, even if some of those thoughts have turned out to be pretty, er, random. That video clip is bad I agree, and its not on. As I said before though, I have never heard any personally and i have been to West ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Cardiff, Leeds, Cardiff etc. So I think, and hope, its isolated in frequency but if this FA viewpoint and publicity means a start down the road of change, then good

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Whilst I agree about the word t*ts I don't agree about the chanting. It is clearly discriminatory to chant gets your tits out at a woman. Just as it is to chant at people who are overweight, coloured or whatever. How would you feel if you were the only male at a sporting event full of women and they were chanting get your d*ck out for the girls? (Or perhaps we had better not go there ;))

 

I honestly would not care. I'd laugh the first couple of times and then just get bored at their lack of originality...much like I'm bored of hearing "get your tits out for the lads" now. Having said that, I haven't actually heard it for a good few years.

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Lou hats off for starting this thought provoking thread, even if some of those thoughts have turned out to be pretty, er, random. That video clip is bad I agree, and its not on. As I said before though, I have never heard any personally and i have been to West ham, Chelsea, Millwall, Cardiff, Leeds, Cardiff etc. So I think, and hope, its isolated in frequency but if this FA viewpoint and publicity means a start down the road of change, then good

 

A few people have said they haven't heard it - but I think that's because Saints supporters are generally pretty decent and you generally only here those around you. Can you imagine Saints supporters shouting 'get your tits out' to the girl we had on the training team? No.

 

I was lucky (!) enough to be in the Millwall end when we played them and Sian Massey was on the line, and it was pretty extreme. Even the kids were shouting the worst kind of abuse!

 

I think Eva and Sian are trailblazers for women in the game, and I expect more women to want to further their career in football as it becomes more common. I suspect this debate is going to become more and more relevant.

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I honestly would not care. I'd laugh the first couple of times and then just get bored at their lack of originality...much like I'm bored of hearing "get your tits out for the lads" now. Having said that, I haven't actually heard it for a good few years.

 

I think it is different for woman because to an extent many still feel judge by their attractiveness - hence the boom in cosmetic surgery.

 

And Lou, Millwall is a dark corner of London that is stuck in the 1930s so no surprise there.

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Not really sure you speak for all females though. What you describe isn't anything like what the women I speak to go through. I just asked my fiancee and she doesn't feel disrespected by men all the time. I expect if I asked the women I employ they would say similar. As someone said earlier maybe it's just where you live?

 

My wife works with a lot of senior management women and gets disrupted all the time, but in a different way. We did have a dinosaur who fortunately left last year who still thought it oky to make sexist jokes and to grab the girls boobs. How her survived in the CPS for so long God knows. To him it was just a bit of fun.

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My wife works with a lot of senior management women and gets disrupted all the time, but in a different way. We did have a dinosaur who fortunately left last year who still thought it oky to make sexist jokes and to grab the girls boobs. How her survived in the CPS for so long God knows. To him it was just a bit of fun.

 

Right but I hardly think that is a typical experience. Certainly not for any of the women I work with.

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I used to have to visit a newspaper wholesaler around the corner from the old Den (WH Smiths). I had to wear a suit. I often had lunch in a pub there that was full of old dockers and I stood out like a sore thumb - they probably thought I was Old Bill. Very scary.

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