Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[AlexLaw76]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Just in case there was any doubt that Trump is in Putin’s pocket.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15308713/amp/Trumps-officials-arrive-Ukraine-bid-force-Zelensky-accepting-peace-deal-heavily-tilted-Russia-hand-land-Putin-cut-military.html

If this stops the meat grinder, then better than anything that Europe has suggested.

[sadoldgit]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If this stops the meat grinder, then better than anything that Europe has suggested.

Really? It leaves Ukraine totally exposed to future Russian aggression and rewards them for their initial invasions into sovereign territory. It also gives Putin the green light for future action elsewhere. Do you think that European leaders would be happy with this deal?

[AlexLaw76]

24 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Really? It leaves Ukraine totally exposed to future Russian aggression and rewards them for their initial invasions into sovereign territory. It also gives Putin the green light for future action elsewhere. Do you think that European leaders would be happy with this deal?

Where do you think Russia is going when done in Ukraine? 

European leaders appear almost irrelevant to this given we have, for decades, sub-contracted out our own defence to the USA.

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

If this stops the meat grinder, then better than anything that Europe has suggested.

What would you have said to Churchill in July 1940 ?

[badgerx16]

Trump really wants that Nobel Peace Prize, and he will shit on anybody that is in his way.

[AlexLaw76]

37 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

What would you have said to Churchill in July 1940 ?

We had one of the worlds most formidable military base, and an empire, at the time

vastly different situation from now.

Reality is Ukraine is being destroyed, inch by inch, and losing 1000s of troops quickly (as are Russia)

if we really wanted to stop this, Europe (inc the UK) could have sent land and air forces in years ago. We all could have sailed into the Black Sea years ago, and put NATO assets in the way.

none of that has happened and the angry words from Europe continue.

Edited 2 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We had one of the worlds most formidable military base, and an empire, at the time

vastly different situation from now.

Reality is Ukraine is being destroyed, inch by inch, and losing 1000s of troops quickly (as are Russia)

if we really wanted to stop this, Europe (inc the UK) could have sent land and air forces in years ago. We all could have sailed into the Black Sea years ago, and put NATO assets in the way.

none of that has happened and the angry words from Europe continue.

So Putin wins. 

[badgerx16]

Nic, this level of 'debate' is why people think you are a grade A whinging cunt.

[AlexLaw76]

54 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So Putin wins. 

the big dog in the fight usually does

[badgerx16]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

the big dog in the fight usually does

Particularly when he holds the leash of the other big dog.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Where do you think Russia is going when done in Ukraine? 

European leaders appear almost irrelevant to this given we have, for decades, sub-contracted out our own defence to the USA.

Why do you think Poland are worried, as are various other members of the former USSR? Estonia? Latvia? Lithuania? Moldova? Putin didn’t stop at the Crimea. What means you will think he will stop after this?

Edited 1 hour ago by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Where do you think Russia is going when done in Ukraine? 

Georgia. Same playbook, Russia already occupies about 20% of Georgian territory.

Edited 58 minutes ago by badgerx16

[whelk]

4 hours ago, pingpong said:

Just a quiet call for posters on this thread, it sounds like this nic poster is experiencing some challenges with their mental health, and when they post like above, it might be kinder to ignore them than antagonise them. I will only post this once on the matter for this reason. 

I'm sure they will read this. I'd say take a breath, step away from this forum, and logically consider whether your quality of life could improve if you find someone to speak to, potentially a professional listener or therapist. You don't have to answer to this or any post, you don't have to feel defensive, we don't know each other and never will, just take it as well meaning advice and give it some thought next time you are feeling calm.  I can highly recommend a social media break too as it seems like it is a trigger point for you.

The voices on this forum should ultimately be an irrelevance, and the frustration you feel could just be a project of conflict within yourself - something that you can work through with the help of others. Just something to think about.

Wasting your time with this plum I’m afraid. Close to one of the most stupid arrogant twats on the planet. Understands fuck all and desperate to fight it. Even SOG puts him in his place

[AlexLaw76]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Georgia. Same playbook, Russia already occupies about 20% of Georgian territory.

Then why are very rich nations in mainland Europe doing very little about it?

[badgerx16]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

Then why are very rich nations in mainland Europe doing very little about it?

Complacent for far too long.

[sadoldgit]

40 minutes ago, whelk said:

Wasting your time with this plum I’m afraid. Close to one of the most stupid arrogant twats on the planet. Understands fuck all and desperate to fight it. Even SOG puts him in his place

That’s probably the kindest thing you have said to me Whelk. 😘

[sadoldgit]

27 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Then why are very rich nations in mainland Europe doing very little about it?

They were probably expecting Trump to man up at some point, given that the US are the only nation that could force the issue. They still hold the cards, as Trump would put it, and if the US pulls the plug on support for Ukraine, what can NATO do without the possibility of starting WW3? Putin only understands brute force and he knows that we (Europeans) are shit scared of escalation. That is why we can’t let this happen. He will only come back for more and he knows that he has Trump on his pocket.