What Is Happening To Our Country?

[whelk]

36 minutes ago, leesaint88 said:

People are a product of the environment they are brought up in. Sadly if parents have a rather dim look on immigration, the EU, education, science etc then that's going to be passed on.

Over the years I've had a few lads work for me who had challenging upbringings and nearly all of them had a mistrust of pretty much everything and everyone! I've only just managed to convince one that having a HepA and B vaccination won't cause you to become impotent..

In the past thick people were more deferential and trusting of those in charge.

Now they are constantly fed the message that they are not thick, they are the ones that truly know what is going, it’s the ‘elites’ trying to manipulate you but you are too wise for their trickery.  So you aren’t thick after all, things are really simple to solve. 
Sadly the psychology and the brain wiring won’t actually lead them to process information like hey since Brexit we have massively increased immigration I was misled. No, Brexit wasn’t implemented properly so I was right all along I am still not stupid.

[east-stand-nic]

22 hours ago, benjii said:

Reform will try to dismantle public services, dismantle civil rights, increaee their own institutional power, continue to reveibe money from Russian sources, dumb down the media (I know you have some trenchant views on that), embarass us on the world stage, alienate closest trading partners (more), and stuff government full of grifting, unimpressive, MAGAts.

So, that's why I don't think they're worth a go.

And you have evidence of this? You don't think the media is already being dumbed down? Jeez. You are guessing what they will do based on your confirmation bias because you don't like them. But you have no idea in truth that they will actually do any of those things. But we do know exactly what they other two will do as they have been doing it for decades. 

[whelk]

28 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

And you have evidence of this? You don't think the media is already being dumbed down? Jeez. You are guessing what they will do based on your confirmation bias because you don't like them. But you have no idea in truth that they will actually do any of those things. But we do know exactly what the other two will do as they have been doing it for decades. 

Fucking hell, this comical clown doesn’t stop

[whelk]

30 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

And you have evidence of this? You don't think the media is already being dumbed down? Jeez. You are guessing what they will do based on your confirmation bias because you don't like them. But you have no idea in truth that they will actually do any of those things. But we do know exactly what they other two will do as they have been doing it for decades. 

We get your life is shit and you have been let down all your life. Guess what politicians won’t make it any better. Try some self-help and reflection and stop blaming politicians. You were born into a privileged period and country yet so unhappy. For someone who has self-proclaimed themselves as a worldly wise experiencing and adapting different cultures you really should learn to appreciate what you benefited from more. Although I guess you didn’t get much of an education, but it was in offer and was free. You should have paid more attention.

[east-stand-nic]

5 hours ago, whelk said:

We get your life is shit and you have been let down all your life. Guess what politicians won’t make it any better. Try some self-help and reflection and stop blaming politicians. You were born into a privileged period and country yet so unhappy. For someone who has self-proclaimed themselves as a worldly wise experiencing and adapting different cultures you really should learn to appreciate what you benefited from more. Although I guess you didn’t get much of an education, but it was in offer and was free. You should have paid more attention.

 

5 hours ago, whelk said:

Fucking hell, this comical clown doesn’t stop

Superb. Two more nonsensical replies still avoiding points well made. Cornered and you know it. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

Superb. Two more nonsensical replies still avoiding points well made. Cornered and you know it. 

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Edited June 19 by whelk
Bit too below the belt for someone who iis a harmless idiot

[egg]

8 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

And you have evidence of this? You don't think the media is already being dumbed down? Jeez. You are guessing what they will do based on your confirmation bias because you don't like them. But you have no idea in truth that they will actually do any of those things. But we do know exactly what they other two will do as they have been doing it for decades. 

Policies Reform UK - Reform UK https://share.google/12Tzkq28rTh2kxReN

Much of it is in there. Pages 4, 7 and 21 are a start. 

[AlexLaw76]

Another few thousand people ‘arrived’ this month.

Nice of the local authorities to ask all our new doctors and engineers to not harass women or film anything near schools

wonderful stuff.

On the other hand, Starmer talking tough on National Security. This is like some sort of comedy sketch 

[east-stand-nic]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Another few thousand people ‘arrived’ this month.

Nice of the local authorities to ask all our new doctors and engineers to not harass women or film anything near schools

wonderful stuff.

On the other hand, Starmer talking tough on National Security. This is like some sort of comedy sketch 

Yeah but it is definitely not thick to keep voting Tory and labour. We must continue with them. 

[egg]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Yeah but it is definitely not thick to keep voting Tory and labour. We must continue with them. 

Short of Nigel standing on a beach near Calais stopping these people coming in, how do you think his lot will stop people getting in their little boats? 

[whelk]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Yeah but it is definitely not thick to keep voting Tory and labour. We must continue with them. 

Treat yourself to a ladyboy. Might make you less depressed 

[Whitey Grandad]

11 hours ago, egg said:

Short of Nigel standing on a beach near Calais stopping these people coming in, how do you think his lot will stop people getting in their little boats? 

One look at him and they'd turn straight round. 

[east-stand-nic]

10 hours ago, whelk said:

Treat yourself to a ladyboy. Might make you less depressed 

At last. I have been waiting for this, the most predictable and childish (inexperienced in the world) comment. I had a feeling it would be you as you seem utterly crushed by not being able to answer my points in any way. Absolutely brilliant how you thick ones get so riled when you cannot hit back on any real meaningful comment and opinion. 

[egg]

31 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

One look at him and they'd turn straight round. 

Fair point!! 

[tdmickey3]

38 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

At last. I have been waiting for this, the most predictable and childish (inexperienced in the world) comment. I had a feeling it would be you as you seem utterly crushed by not being able to answer my points in any way. Absolutely brilliant how you thick ones get so riled when you cannot hit back on any real meaningful comment and opinion. 

Says my angry head 🤣

[AlexLaw76]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-hotels-refugees-borders-uk-small-boats-b2775931.html

[whelk]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

At last. I have been waiting for this, the most predictable and childish (inexperienced in the world) comment. I had a feeling it would be you as you seem utterly crushed by not being able to answer my points in any way. Absolutely brilliant how you thick ones get so riled when you cannot hit back on any real meaningful comment and opinion. 

Worrying that you think about me so much but bless.

You transmit but cannot receive- gave up ages ago having any sort of sensible conversation with you - pearls to swine and all that.

Lol - your points are that of a halfwit

[egg]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-hotels-refugees-borders-uk-small-boats-b2775931.html

The alternative? Tents in the parks where our kids/grandkids play? On that little green near your house? 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/asylum-hotels-refugees-borders-uk-small-boats-b2775931.html

What I want I know is why the current government and previous one won’t pass legislation enforcing unlimited fines and jail time for large firm’s CEOs and Directors proven to be consistently employing illegal immigrants? Large firms like Deliveroo despite their opaque and devolved operating model should be bearing the cost directly of the hotels, regardless of how much that is. Their turnover is in excess of £2bn. So a £250m fine is affordable and reasonable for them, whereas for a local takeaway they are already fining a proportionally similar amount https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/25012992.oxford-takeaway-fined-30-000-employing-illegal-workers/

https://glastonbury.nub.news/news/local-news/glastonbury-takeaway-fined-ps80000-for-illegal-employment-254665

No point meeting with them, just prosecute them fast track as they’ve done to the SMEs quite rightly, and fines on a sliding scale of £70m-£250m for starters will soon cut it down https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj615p5y5kko

Theresa’s May’s idiot legislation puts the likes of you and me liable for ensuring that our firms don’t employ people without the RTW in the UK even if we were born here. If large organisational leaders thought they’d be having a day in court instead and risk losing their business and family home, it’d soon reduce rapidly. 

Cracking down severely on illegal working and knowing employment of illegals would do far more to slow the influx than just ‘smashing the gangs’ in isolation or eye-wateringly expensive Rwanda schemes. We can do a mix of those in parallel too, not either/or.

Edited Wednesday at 10:03 by Gloucester Saint

[AlexLaw76]

57 minutes ago, egg said:

The alternative? Tents in the parks where our kids/grandkids play? On that little green near your house? 

Re address the risk/reward balance To ‘coming across the channel’

[egg]

5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Re address the risk/reward balance To ‘coming across the channel’

That avoids the question of what do we do with people that land here or are here already. Easy to complain, but not so easy to offer realistic solutions. 

What risk/reward balances to you suggest? 

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

What I want I know is why the current government and previous one won’t pass legislation enforcing unlimited fines and jail time for large firm’s CEOs and Directors proven to be consistently employing illegal immigrants? Large firms like Deliveroo despite their opaque and devolved operating model should be bearing the cost directly of the hotels, regardless of how much that is. Their turnover is in excess of £2bn. So a £250m fine is affordable and reasonable for them, whereas for a local takeaway they are already fining a proportionally similar amount https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/25012992.oxford-takeaway-fined-30-000-employing-illegal-workers/

https://glastonbury.nub.news/news/local-news/glastonbury-takeaway-fined-ps80000-for-illegal-employment-254665

No point meeting with them, just prosecute them fast track as they’ve done to the SMEs quite rightly, and fines on a sliding scale of £70m-£250m for starters will soon cut it down https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj615p5y5kko

Theresa’s May’s idiot legislation puts the likes of you and me liable for ensuring that our firms don’t employ people without the RTW in the UK even if we were born here. If large organisational leaders thought they’d be having a day in court instead and risk losing their business and family home, it’d soon reduce rapidly. 

Cracking down severely on illegal working and knowing employment of illegals would do far more to slow the influx than just ‘smashing the gangs’ in isolation or eye-wateringly expensive Rwanda schemes. We can do a mix of those in parallel too, not either/or.

What is mental is that people are against ID cards

[Turkish]

Just listening to a discussion on tasers for police.

A 14 year old kid got murdered on his way to school by a bloke carrying a sword who went on the rampage killing him and injuring 3 others, police took 20 minutes to deal with him because first officers tried to disarm him using a pepper spray. With knife crime a massive issue in this country they're saying should all police be armed with tasers. Some guy arguing that it's wrong for all police to carry tasers because it gives police more power to disproportionatly discriminate against black people.

This sort of shit is what's wrong with this country, people more interested in this sort of stuff than keeping our streets safe. 

 

Edited Thursday at 08:17 by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

32 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just listening to a discussion on tasers for police.

A 14 year old kid got murdered on his way to school by a bloke carrying a sword who went on the rampage killing him and injuring 3 others, police took 20 minutes to deal with him because first officers tried to disarm him using a pepper spray. With knife crime a massive issue in this country their saying should all police be armed with tasers. Some guy arguing that it's wrong for all police to carry tasers because it gives police more power to disproportionatly discriminate against black people.

This sort of shit is what's wrong with this country, people more interested in this sort of stuff than keeping our streets safe. 

 

There was some footage on the Beeb site. It's not something I'd normally watch,  and my first thoughts were "why are the police trying to take down a guy with a sword with something you'd spray on weeds. "Unsuccessful" said the clip. No kidding. A number of additional injuries and lots of terror. There were multiple encounters with the guy, mainly because the police were not equipped to deal with it. Sure, things like this are thankfully rare. But why you'd expect officers to deal with all sorts of incidents without adequate equipment is a mystery.

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

There was some footage on the Beeb site. It's not something I'd normally watch,  and my first thoughts were "why are the police trying to take down a guy with a sword with something you'd spray on weeds. "Unsuccessful" said the clip. No kidding. A number of additional injuries and lots of terror. There were multiple encounters with the guy, mainly because the police were not equipped to deal with it. Sure, things like this are thankfully rare. But why you'd expect officers to deal with all sorts of incidents without adequate equipment is a mystery.

Obviously you cant predict every single incident and sometimes nut jobs go on the rampage where you'd least expect it but in areas where knife crime is a serious issue then it makes absolute sense to arm the police as best possible to deal with incidents in the quickest and most effective manner. Worrying about upsetting people of colour is a ridiculous, especially considering the victim of this attack was a 14 year old black boy.

[AlexLaw76]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Obviously you cant predict every single incident and sometimes nut jobs go on the rampage where you'd least expect it but in areas where knife crime is a serious issue then it makes absolute sense to arm the police as best possible to deal with incidents in the quickest and most effective manner. Worrying about upsetting people of colour is a ridiculous, especially considering the victim of this attack was a 14 year old black boy.

Using a water pistol to deal with a nutter brandishing a deadly weapon.

excellent 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Just listening to a discussion on tasers for police.

A 14 year old kid got murdered on his way to school by a bloke carrying a sword who went on the rampage killing him and injuring 3 others, police took 20 minutes to deal with him because first officers tried to disarm him using a pepper spray. With knife crime a massive issue in this country they're saying should all police be armed with tasers. Some guy arguing that it's wrong for all police to carry tasers because it gives police more power to disproportionatly discriminate against black people.

This sort of shit is what's wrong with this country, people more interested in this sort of stuff than keeping our streets safe. 

 

The devil’s advocate is that in the Dalian Atkinson case (this being a football forum) the taser was used inappropriately with deadly consequences but overall yes, I agree that when the public are facing a life/death threat from a lunatic with a sword running around, the police are well beyond asking ‘please sir can you drop your weapon?’. Taser at the first refusal to surrender the weapon is fine and logical with me.

[skintsaint]

I was amazed that the police don't carry tasers as standard when returning to live here from abroad.

[whelk]

47 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Using a water pistol to deal with a nutter brandishing a deadly weapon.

excellent 

Remember London Bridge and the narwhal tusk and fire extinguishers!

[whelk]

I’d happily taser cyclists on the pavement but I am a bit of a cunt

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

I’d happily taser cyclists on the pavement but I am a bit of a cunt

Tasering is too good for them. 😉

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

I’d happily taser cyclists on the pavement but I am a bit of a cunt

If riding illegally, then yes.  I'd also add electric scooter riders to the list as well.

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

If riding illegally, then yes.  I'd also add electric scooter riders to the list as well.

And slow mobility scooters for the laughs

[AlexLaw76]

I’d taser people in the supermarket who randomly stop to gaze at the shelves, leaving their trolly across the middle of the isle

selfish pigs

[tdmickey3]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I’d taser people in the supermarket who randomly stop to gaze at the shelves, leaving their trolly across the middle of the isle

selfish pigs

[Holmes_and_Watson]

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