What Is Happening To Our Country?

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If people want to put flags up on their own property using a proper flagpole, as some did before the current nonsense, absolutely fine. Their property, looks smart, doesn’t degrade neighbourhoods in any way, good on them. And during major sporting events where Team GB, or England are doing well, perfectly normal stuff.

Shoving scruffy Sports Direct quality flags in the public realm - lampposts, shopping centres, high streets - that’s just football banning order territory and there to make non white British born people uncomfortable (this is certainly the case with work colleagues)  and those born in mainland EU, let alone the asylum seekers it is probably aimed at by Robinson’s thugs, and judging by Oakeshott’s comments Reform’s as well. More Robinson and Reform can be linked the better it is. Well done Isobel.

As for the vandalising of roundabouts, best to respond to the knuckle dragged brigade by converting them to noughts and crosses and Battenberg patterns. 

 

Spot on. Re the highlighted but, that's exactly what it is. All this "patriotism", "proud to be English" is a very poor attempt to mask the reality. I'm staggered that anyone who comes out with that nonsense expects anyone to believe it. 

[badgerx16]

Our Villa supporting son, ( please don't ask ), has said that he finds it ironic that their match following the fan banning furore was against Spurs.

[Weston Super Saint]

There's a Welsh flag on the official road signs on the M4 that greets me a couple of times a week.

There's no English flag on the way back out though.

Bloody nationalists.

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

There's a Welsh flag on the official road signs on the M4 that greets me a couple of times a week.

There's no English flag on the way back out though.

Bloody nationalists.

The Welsh will point out that the toll gates used to be on the English side whilst on theirs it says "Croeso i Gymru", "Welcome to Wales"..

Edited Sunday at 17:52 by badgerx16

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

There's a Welsh flag on the official road signs on the M4 that greets me a couple of times a week.

There's no English flag on the way back out though.

Bloody nationalists.

Official sign though and if one of the agencies added an English sign the other side, fine by me.

But tatty Sports Direct flags hanging at all sorts of angles where they shouldn’t be on lampposts, and gantries is just another hallmark of a failed, backwards and insular country, typical of post-2016. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

57 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Easy mistake, they all look the same.  😉

Well Egg keeps calling them Haifa, so you do start to wonder, surely he’d get the teams involved right….

It’s clearly not the away fans behaviour, so I don’t know why he insists it is.
 

John Mann who is the Government advisor on antisemitism and long time campaigner against it has released a few facts of his own. 
 

The police and Birmingham  council have ignored my advice. Unlike them I spent 3 days investigating the incidents in Amsterdam . Both clubs want all fans there and have fully cooperated in making this happen.

The feitenrelaas from Amsterdam police and council re Ajax v Maccabi Tel Aviv is unambiguous. 62 arrests. 49 Dutch, 10 Israelis. 5 injuries all minor,  all Israelis. These are the facts .

The police have had my detailed report on Amsterdam for 6 months. They have had my written advice as has Birmingham council. The decision is not based on police or Mayoral advice from Amsterdam.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 17:51 by Lord Duckhunter

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

The Welsh will point out that the toll gates used to be on the English side.

Not sure where the official border is, but the toll booths were definitely on the Welsh side of Bristol water.

That always used to annoy me as well - always begrudged paying to get in and would have no qualms paying to get out

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Official sign though and if one of the agencies added an English sign the other side, fine by me.

But tatty Sports Direct flags hanging at all sorts of angles where they shouldn’t be on lampposts, and gantries is just another hallmark of a failed, backwards and insular country, typical of post-2016. 

So many of the Union flags are hung upside down.

[Weston Super Saint]

Just now, badgerx16 said:

So many of the Union flags are hung upside down.

A sign of distress that no one can argue with!

[Lord Duckhunter]

53 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If people want to put flags up on their own property using a proper flagpole, as some did before the current nonsense, absolutely fine. Their property, looks smart, doesn’t degrade neighbourhoods in any way, good on them. And during major sporting events where Team GB, or England are doing well, perfectly normal stuff.

 

What do you think of pride police cars, trains & zebra crossings etc. 

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Well Egg keeps calling them Haifa, so you do start to wonder, surely he’d get the teams involved right….

It’s clearly not the away fans behaviour, so I don’t know why he insists it is.
 

John Mann who is the Government advisor on antisemitism and long time campaigner against it has released a few facts of his own. 
 

The police and Birmingham  council have ignored my advice. Unlike them I spent 3 days investigating the incidents in Amsterdam . Both clubs want all fans there and have fully cooperated in making this happen.

The feitenrelaas from Amsterdam police and council re Ajax v Maccabi Tel Aviv is unambiguous. 62 arrests. 49 Dutch, 10 Israelis. 5 injuries all minor,  all Israelis. These are the facts .

The police have had my detailed report on Amsterdam for 6 months. They have had my written advice as has Birmingham council. The decision is not based on police or Mayoral advice from Amsterdam.

 

 

That certainly doesn't sound like the type of hooliganism that would reasonably result in a blanket ban of away fans. I haven't looked into it tbf.

[Gloucester Saint]

52 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What do you think of pride police cars, trains & zebra crossings etc. 

Got on a Cross Country train a couple of weeks back covered in a 🌈- got me to work on time so job done. Zebra crossings is a bit much personally, leave infrastructure as it is, it has a job to do. Police cars, I judge them by the effectiveness of what the forces do which isn’t great at the moment. Pride flags on patrol cars wouldn’t be an issue if the different forces were performing better overall. 

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

That certainly doesn't sound like the type of hooliganism that would reasonably result in a blanket ban of away fans. I haven't looked into it tbf.

Two points:

1. There's a reason Maccabi received a bigger fine than their opponents, and it won't be because their fans were better behaved. 

2. Mann reviewed the Amsterdam incident. The police decision considered that plus current credible intelligence. 

We have no idea what that intelligence was, but seemingly Mann didn't either. 

I'll take the judgement of the police who have all the facts over that of a politician who didn't all day long. 

[Mixedkebab]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Two points:

1. There's a reason Maccabi received a bigger fine than their opponents, and it won't be because their fans were better behaved. 

2. Mann reviewed the Amsterdam incident. The police decision considered that plus current credible intelligence. 

We have no idea what that intelligence was, but seemingly Mann didn't either. 

I'll take the judgement of the police who have all the facts over that of a politician who didn't all day long. 

1) Very true- Governing bodies never get anything wrong

2) Yes, take the judgement of West Mids police who have all the facts but were placed in special measures not long ago due to serious failings across multiple measures.

This fucking pathetic arse licking trust by the likes of yourself, in institutions that are repeatedly proved to be untrustworthy, is a wholesale lily livered gimpathon.

 

Edited Sunday at 20:33 by Mixedkebab

[Gloucester Saint]

Because Reform-run institutions are so reliable and trustworthy 😂 

Jackie Weaver MK2. ‘The situation with this group is not good’. Their words. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/19/reform-kent-council-leader-launched-hunt-for-cowards-who-leaked-recorded-meeting

Classy stuff and yawning and appearing bored during a visit. Great to see them taking governing so seriously https://inews.co.uk/news/reform-mayor-stands-up-students-special-needs-lunch-3979903?srsltid=AfmBOornchTTmJpqx65ivKbKqTn3IHzGgMdWVgs5dbmdfB98X9SafxMu

Edited Sunday at 20:51 by Gloucester Saint

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15 minutes ago, Mixedkebab said:

1) Very true- Governing bodies never get anything wrong

2) Yes, take the judgement of West Mids police who have all the facts but were placed in special measures not long ago due to serious failings across multiple measures.

This fucking pathetic arse licking trust by the likes of yourself, in institutions that are repeatedly proved to be untrustworthy, is a wholesale lily livered gimpathon.

 

1. Idiots like you always trot out crap like that rather than accept a reality which doesn't tie in with their opinion. 

2. Ditto. 

I'll ignore the little rant at the end. 

[Mixedkebab]

30 minutes ago, egg said:

1. Idiots like you always trot out crap like that rather than accept a reality which doesn't tie in with their opinion. 

2. Ditto. 

I'll ignore the little rant at the end. 

Oh dear,  it’s having a little cry 

You don’t know anything about what happened in Amsterdam, only those that were there know- Injury reports can be found all over various news reports and the Israelis came off far far worse, especially per capita as they were the away fans- what do you think about that? 

Liverpool and  Man U fans have chanted horrible shit about the dead over the years, as have other fans towards Spurs about gas chambers- Police had to do their job and police it.

These thick cunt Maccabi fans need proper policing the same way as the other thick English cunts.

Even if every one of the 1000 or so who travel are rabid beasts then the coppers should be able to rap them up easily as they have over policed and over punished football fans for decades here.

They were standing around getting paid for doing fuck all in huge groups at St Mary’s a couple of weeks ago even though there were helicopters circling and the skates were safely on a bubble bus.

You can’t argue with my point about the WM old bill being in special measures and fucking up massively over the years as an outfit.

Your high handed, pious, clichéd student style opinions have reduced your ability to understand how the world really works outside your Sebastian & Tabitha, Lycra & helmet, pickleball (previously squash) bubble.

 

Edited Sunday at 21:21 by Mixedkebab

[Lord Duckhunter]

14 hours ago, Mixedkebab said:

You don’t know anything about what happened in Amsterdam,

He didn’t even know which team was involved, so it’s safe to say his finger isn’t exactly on the pulse. Just another opportunity to have a go at Israelis really. 

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7 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He didn’t even know which team was involved, so it’s safe to say his finger isn’t exactly on the pulse. Just another opportunity to have a go at Israelis really. 

Ha! 

Maccabi, and who gives a monkeys which particular Maccabi it was. 

[whelk]

So has anyone got any ideas why the communication on this one has been so wrong?

it is clear it is nothing whatsoever related to country of origin and straightforward football hooligans hellbent on ransacking Birmingham. No need to wait for any UEFA ruling. 
No appeasement of any Muslim community, religions and countries are completely irrelevant.

 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

17 minutes ago, egg said:

Ha! 

Maccabi, and who gives a monkeys which particular Maccabi it was. 

Ridiculous. Thats like saying it’s United, who cares which one. Haifa  is the other side of the country to Tel Aviv & there are hundreds  of sports clubs named Maccabi both in Isreal and worldwide.
 

I guess the Star of David teams called Maccabi wear on their badge triggered you, but if you’re specifically discussing supporters behaviour, I’d have thought knowing which team the supporters follow, is pretty fundamental to that debate. Unless of course, their behaviour is just a smokescreen for the real reason you approve of this ban. 

Edited Monday at 11:53 by Lord Duckhunter

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16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Ridiculous. Thats like saying it’s United, who cares which one. Haifa  is the other side of the country to Tel Aviv & there are hundreds  of sports clubs named Maccabi both in Isreal and worldwide.
 

I guess the Star of David teams called Maccabi wear on their badge triggered you, but if you’re specifically discussing supporters behaviour, I’d have thought knowing which team the supporters follow, is pretty fundamental to that debate. Unless of course, their behaviour is just a smokescreen for the real reason you approve of this ban. 

You're being obtuse, at best. 

Whatever the team's called, the fans don't know how to behave themselves. They were a disgrace in Amsterdam, didn't behave well yesterday, and quite rightly aren't wanted at the Villa game. 

[LuckyNumber7]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

You're being obtuse, at best. 

Whatever the team's called, the fans don't know how to behave themselves. They were a disgrace in Amsterdam, didn't behave well yesterday, and quite rightly aren't wanted at the Villa game. 

Clearly their fans are no angels, but if that was an acceptable reason to ban away fans from attending matches then it would happen far more often, both domestically and with European games. We all know the real reason they've been banned.

[swannymere]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Just another opportunity to have a go at Israelis really. 

 You would think commiting genocide would be enough of a reason, it's almost like there's a pile on.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, swannymere said:

 You would think commiting genocide would be enough of a reason, it's almost like there's a pile on.

I wonder what happened to the banning of British clubs after 2003?

Edited Monday at 14:27 by AlexLaw76

[hypochondriac]

4 hours ago, egg said:

You're being obtuse, at best. 

Whatever the team's called, the fans don't know how to behave themselves. They were a disgrace in Amsterdam, didn't behave well yesterday, and quite rightly aren't wanted at the Villa game. 

But we know that isn't the only reason they've been banned.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

But we know that isn't the only reason they've been banned.

No. You assume it's because they're Jewish. Which it isn't. 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, egg said:

No. You assume it's because they're Jewish. Which it isn't. 

No? You said yourself that it wasn't the only reason.

[Turkish]

8 hours ago, egg said:

Ha! 

Maccabi, and who gives a monkeys which particular Maccabi it was. 

Leeds Maccabi U13s are the league below us, I doubt it’s them 

[egg]

20 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Leeds Maccabi U13s are the league below us, I doubt it’s them 

Ban the fuckers! 

[AlexLaw76]

Madness this needed to be stated (or the change was needed), but good news 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o.amp

 

Edited yesterday at 06:50 by AlexLaw76

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Madness this needed to be stated (or the change was needed), but good news 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23o.amp

 

What change? They were never investigated and they've said they will still record them.

[hypochondriac]

Lisa Nandy highlighting that this decision was taken "in no small part because of the risk posed to them because they support an Israeli team and because they are Jewish." Also points out that an entire away support hasn't been banned in this manner in over 25 years. I would suggest that a member of the government would know a bit more about the reasons for the ban than the people on here.

[AlexLaw76]

8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

What change? They were never investigated and they've said they will still record them.

I read the words “will no longer investigate”, which suggest, they did or had a policy of doing so

[hypochondriac]

42 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I read the words “will no longer investigate”, which suggest, they did or had a policy of doing so

As far as I am aware it was never the policy to investigate non crime hate incidents, as evidenced by the fact that loads of people had/have files written on them that they know nothing about until they put a request in. Graham linehan wasn't bring investigated for a NCHI he was being investigated for substantive offences. The main issue is the recording of them since they show up on enhanced dbs checks and can adversely affect your ability to get a job through no fault of your own.

Edited yesterday at 08:48 by hypochondriac

[Farmer Saint]

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