Israel

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, benjii said:

 

Yes, fair points.

I think parts of it are accurate for some of the protestors. I think, as you say, there are different motivations for others, although I think those motivations for all are very rarely motivated by a general dislike / enmity towards Jews.

I think another factor is how intimately the UK state is associated with this whole situation. We controlled Palestine, we signed the Balfour declaration, we washed our hands of it administratively in the face of Zionist terrorism, but politically , in the decades since, we have always been perceived as being at the right hand side of the US when it comes to support, military supplies etc. This is part of the reason why this issue attracts a lot more UK attention than, for example, Sudan or Myanmar.

 

Another point is that in almost all the other conflicts the UK are tacitly, or even actively, opposed to the aggressor / oppressor regime; Russia, the junta in Mysnmar, the Assad regime in Syria, etc. In the Gaza conflict we are supportive of Israel's right to self defence, and in some eyes of the actions of Netanyahu and his cronies.

In this case, we are failing to stand up for "the little guy".

Edited July 2 by badgerx16

[benjii]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Another point is that in almost all the other conflicts the UK are tacitly, or even actively, opposed to the aggressor / oppressor regime; Russia, the junta in Mysnmar, the Assad regime in Syria, etc. In the Gaza conflict we are supportive of Israel's right to self defence, and in some eyes of the actions of Netanyahu and his cronies.

In this case, we are failing to stand up for "the little guy".

What probably compounds this is that the "big guy" in this metaphor has a vast army of people who insist that it is, in fact, him who is the victim of terrible oppression and hate, not just in his own back yard but in various other countries where he does very well and not based on his actions but on some accident of birth.

Edited July 2 by benjii

[rallyboy]

What Israel is doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: the indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians.

Israel is committing war crimes.

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvmry71q5yo

 

[inspectorfrost]

9 hours ago, rallyboy said:

What Israel is doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: the indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians.

Israel is committing war crimes.

 

Who is 'good' and who is 'evil' has sadly little to do with humanity, and everything to do with who we supply weapons to, money and power.

 

 

[badgerx16]

Justifiable?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgeqr73p8wyo

"Moments before the explosion, artists, students and athletes were among those gathered at a bustling seaside cafe in Gaza City.

Huddled around tables, customers at al-Baqa Cafeteria were scrolling on their phones, sipping hot drinks, and catching up with friends. At one point, the familiar melody of "Happy Birthday" rang out as a young child celebrated with family.

In a quiet corner of the cafe overlooking the sea, a Hamas operative, dressed in civilian clothing, arrived at his table, sources told the BBC.

It was then, without warning, that a bomb was dropped by Israeli forces and tore through the building, they said."

 

"At least nine of those killed were women, and several were children or teenagers. They included artists, students, social activists, a female boxer, a footballer and cafe staff"

Edited July 4 by badgerx16

[egg]

38 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Justifiable?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgeqr73p8wyo

"Moments before the explosion, artists, students and athletes were among those gathered at a bustling seaside cafe in Gaza City.

Huddled around tables, customers at al-Baqa Cafeteria were scrolling on their phones, sipping hot drinks, and catching up with friends. At one point, the familiar melody of "Happy Birthday" rang out as a young child celebrated with family.

In a quiet corner of the cafe overlooking the sea, a Hamas operative, dressed in civilian clothing, arrived at his table, sources told the BBC.

It was then, without warning, that a bomb was dropped by Israeli forces and tore through the building, they said."

 

"At least nine of those killed were women, and several were children or teenagers. They included artists, students, social activists, a female boxer, a footballer and cafe staff"

Not to anyone with a well aligned moral compass. 

[Farmer Saint]

14 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Justifiable?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgeqr73p8wyo

"Moments before the explosion, artists, students and athletes were among those gathered at a bustling seaside cafe in Gaza City.

Huddled around tables, customers at al-Baqa Cafeteria were scrolling on their phones, sipping hot drinks, and catching up with friends. At one point, the familiar melody of "Happy Birthday" rang out as a young child celebrated with family.

In a quiet corner of the cafe overlooking the sea, a Hamas operative, dressed in civilian clothing, arrived at his table, sources told the BBC.

It was then, without warning, that a bomb was dropped by Israeli forces and tore through the building, they said."

 

"At least nine of those killed were women, and several were children or teenagers. They included artists, students, social activists, a female boxer, a footballer and cafe staff"

They're all justifiable, because Hamas.

[rallyboy]

They were gathered in the same building as a Hamas fighter, that makes them combatants.

It's the same as Israel redefining all medical staff and their families as terrorists.

They know exactly what they're doing - and it isn't about hostages or self-defence.

[badgerx16]

Yet again children and women are ignored as a queue of people waiting for nutritional supplements are massacred by a strike to take out a suspect.

"The IDF regrets any harm to uninvolved individuals.". Bullshit, they know full well the potential for "collateral damage" and don't give a flying fuck.

 

How much more of this are the "civilised World" going to tolerate?

Edited July 10 by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rvxjnvv71o

 

Probably their own fault for wanting water. Pesky Palestinian's.

[egg]

11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rvxjnvv71o

 

Probably their own fault for wanting water. Pesky Palestinian's.

One kid will have been to a cafe where a few Hamas blokes had a chat, or some similar pathetic excuse to take out all of them. 

Also today, so far, at least 20 Palestinians killed after Israeli forces bombed a house in the Nuseirat camp; drones have targeted a group of Palestinians at a public market in Gaza killing at least a dozen people and wounding many more; two Palestinian women have been killed in an Israeli strike on a tent camp for displaced people in al-Mawasi in southern Gaza.

Yesterday at least 110 Palestinians were killed, including 34 who were shot near the only functioning food distribution site.

Appalling, and it won't stop

Edited July 13 by egg

[badgerx16]

The only possible conclusion is that this is deliberate policy, and the "west" is happy to condone it.

 

"The only good Palestinian......"

Edited July 13 by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

One kid will have been to a cafe where a few Hamas blokes had a chat, or some similar pathetic excuse to take out all of them. 

Also today, so far, at least 20 Palestinians killed after Israeli forces bombed a house in the Nuseirat camp; drones have targeted a group of Palestinians at a public market in Gaza killing at least a dozen people and wounding many more; two Palestinian women have been killed in an Israeli strike on a tent camp for displaced people in al-Mawasi in southern Gaza.

Yesterday at least 110 Palestinians were killed, including 34 who were shot near the only functioning food distribution site.

Appalling, and it won't stop

Well, it will when they're all wiped out, or moved out, depending on which Israel is allowed to do.

Edited July 13 by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/09/palestine-action-britain-support-protest-law

 

Be very careful not to express support for a group that opposes genocide. A group who's most heinous crime is to spray red paint over some RAF transport planes, thus highlighting the critically important issue of lax security at RAF bases. A group that is now listed with Wagner Group, Islamic Jihad, the Continuity IRA and the Tamil Tigers, among others.

 

 

Edited July 13 by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

I expect that by expressing this opinion I will now be labelled as a “terrorist” as well as an anti-Semite, but here we go.

Certain sections of the media will have us whipped up into an outrage over a little known act saying a few nasty things about a military force currently carrying out war crimes against women and children on an almost daily basis. They will also want us to be outraged against the BBC showing a documentary about the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza without checking whether the boy narrating the documentary was in any way associated with Hamas (not that makes the slightest bit of difference to what we see on screen).

Ask yourself this. In what world are either of these items more horrifying and abhorrent than the situation where human beings, including many young children, are blown apart or shot just for trying to get some food or a drink of water?

Perhaps the people who think that this is funny would like to explain how it is morally ok to get worked up against the people who made some nasty comments against the perpetrators of war crimes and ethic cleansing or the omission of the people who made the documentary shown by the BBC to make it clear that the narrator of the documentary was the child of someone with an association to Hamas yet ignoring the fact that innocent women and children are being starved and murdered every day of the week just because they live in Gaza.

What kind of world is it that labels you a terrorist for speaking out against genocide?

[east-stand-nic]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I expect that by expressing this opinion I will now be labelled as a “terrorist” as well as an anti-Semite, but here we go.

Certain sections of the media will have us whipped up into an outrage over a little known act saying a few nasty things about a military force currently carrying out war crimes against women and children on an almost daily basis. They will also want us to be outraged against the BBC showing a documentary about the ongoing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza without checking whether the boy narrating the documentary was in any way associated with Hamas (not that makes the slightest bit of difference to what we see on screen).

Ask yourself this. In what world are either of these items more horrifying and abhorrent than the situation where human beings, including many young children, are blown apart or shot just for trying to get some food or a drink of water?

Perhaps the people who think that this is funny would like to explain how it is morally ok to get worked up against the people who made some nasty comments against the perpetrators of war crimes and ethic cleansing or the omission of the people who made the documentary shown by the BBC to make it clear that the narrator of the documentary was the child of someone with an association to Hamas yet ignoring the fact that innocent women and children are being starved and murdered every day of the week just because they live in Gaza.

What kind of world is it that labels you a terrorist for speaking out against genocide?

I don't know. Perhaps a similar world to the one where people who disagree with leftist policy are labelled as racist Tommy Robinson loving Nazi's? After all these weeks off I was rather hoping you would have learned your lesson, but clearly not. You can indeed have your opinion, but ONLY if you accept others who have differing opinions on differing subject, which you don't. 

[sadoldgit]

22 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

I don't know. Perhaps a similar world to the one where people who disagree with leftist policy are labelled as racist Tommy Robinson loving Nazi's? After all these weeks off I was rather hoping you would have learned your lesson, but clearly not. You can indeed have your opinion, but ONLY if you accept others who have differing opinions on differing subject, which you don't. 

You really are a stupid person aren’t you? But then I wouldn’t expect any less from someone who things it is clever to post laughing emojis on posts about the deaths of innocent women and children or who actively seeks out moronic conspiracy theories and actively spreads them on football forums. 
You don’t call out the likes of Trump, or indeed Robinson, for their abhorrent views. In fact you seem to support them. According to you, people who rightly call out Trump are suffering from “TDS” areas of being perfectly rational human beings. Robinson is a nasty little racist thug. Most people can see that and understand that people who support him are no better - apart from you.

I’m sorry to have to burst your bubble, but not only do you not have a massive intellect, but you are also a nasty little person who tries to make himself look important by spreading complete bollocks on a football forum yet doesn’t have the balls to own his own, repellant, political leanings. 

If anyone needs to learn a lesson it is you. I’m not holding my breath.

Trump surrounds himself with geniuses you say?

😂 (you can have that one on me)

[east-stand-nic]

23 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You really are a stupid person aren’t you? But then I wouldn’t expect any less from someone who things it is clever to post laughing emojis on posts about the deaths of innocent women and children or who actively seeks out moronic conspiracy theories and actively spreads them on football forums. 
You don’t call out the likes of Trump, or indeed Robinson, for their abhorrent views. In fact you seem to support them. According to you, people who rightly call out Trump are suffering from “TDS” areas of being perfectly rational human beings. Robinson is a nasty little racist thug. Most people can see that and understand that people who support him are no better - apart from you.

I’m sorry to have to burst your bubble, but not only do you not have a massive intellect, but you are also a nasty little person who tries to make himself look important by spreading complete bollocks on a football forum yet doesn’t have the balls to own his own, repellant, political leanings. 

If anyone needs to learn a lesson it is you. I’m not holding my breath.

Trump surrounds himself with geniuses you say?

😂 (you can have that one on me)

My point was entirely correct. You just will not accept it. 

[egg]

Israel now turning their aggression to Syria, on an absolute bullshit pretext.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5y99g1vm6rt

[benjii]

Yes, this is a misguided attempt to create a buffer zone in Syria (to buffer them from the other buffer zones they've taken in Syria).

[Weston Super Saint]

41 minutes ago, benjii said:

Yes, this is a misguided attempt to create a buffer zone in Syria (to buffer them from the other buffer zones they've taken in Syria).

Before a land grab...

[sadoldgit]

11 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

My point was entirely correct. You just will not accept it. 

According to you I am a racist. Anyone reading my posts over the last few years will know that I constantly slag off the racists and xenophobes like Trump, Farage, Robinson and Hopkins fit their racism and xenophobia. Perhaps you ought to accept that. People who share their views are no better than they are. Perhaps you ought to accept that too? It is not an unreasonable observation other than to apologists (like yourself).

Moving on, nic me old mucker. I asked AI to give me the psychological traits of conspiracy theorists and this is what it came up with.

Conspiracy theorists often exhibit a unique combination of personality traits and psychological tendencies. These include heightened levels of suspicion, paranoia and a tendency to distrust authority, often coupled with a need for control and a sense of personal uniqueness. They also display impulsive, emotionally volatile and egocentric behaviour.

Ring any bells nic?

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

According to you I am a racist. Anyone reading my posts over the last few years will know that I constantly slag off the racists and xenophobes like Trump, Farage, Robinson and Hopkins fit their racism and xenophobia. Perhaps you ought to accept that. People who share their views are no better than they are. Perhaps you ought to accept that too? It is not an unreasonable observation other than to apologists (like yourself).

Moving on, nic me old mucker. I asked AI to give me the psychological traits of conspiracy theorists and this is what it came up with.

Conspiracy theorists often exhibit a unique combination of personality traits and psychological tendencies. These include heightened levels of suspicion, paranoia and a tendency to distrust authority, often coupled with a need for control and a sense of personal uniqueness. They also display impulsive, emotionally volatile and egocentric behaviour.

Ring any bells nic?

 

The thread was on topic until you came back and started flirting with Nic. You could ignore the idiot. Or post stuff relevant to the subject. Just a thought. 

[whelk]

15 minutes ago, egg said:

The thread was on topic until you came back and started flirting with Nic. You could ignore the idiot. Or post stuff relevant to the subject. Just a thought. 

C’mon been a while since the Hopkins Robinson routine

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

C’mon been a while since the Hopkins Robinson routine

It had been a nice while, to be fair.

[whelk]

8 hours ago, The Kraken said:

It had been a nice while, to be fair.

I had started to think SOG had gone to a yoga retreat and come back from his sabbatical more chilled, not obsessed with seeing Katie Hopkins fans at every turn.

Edited Thursday at 05:25 by whelk

[east-stand-nic]

13 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

According to you I am a racist. Anyone reading my posts over the last few years will know that I constantly slag off the racists and xenophobes like Trump, Farage, Robinson and Hopkins fit their racism and xenophobia. Perhaps you ought to accept that. People who share their views are no better than they are. Perhaps you ought to accept that too? It is not an unreasonable observation other than to apologists (like yourself).

Moving on, nic me old mucker. I asked AI to give me the psychological traits of conspiracy theorists and this is what it came up with.

Conspiracy theorists often exhibit a unique combination of personality traits and psychological tendencies. These include heightened levels of suspicion, paranoia and a tendency to distrust authority, often coupled with a need for control and a sense of personal uniqueness. They also display impulsive, emotionally volatile and egocentric behaviour.

Ring any bells nic?

 

My point was entirely correct and you know it. You are pious old racist with chronic double standard issues that get you caught out by everyone so very often. You fail to practice what you preach. You are an utter fool. 

[badgerx16]

Reading through the last couple of days' posts you would think this was a primary school playground with kids taunting each other with pointless, repetative jibes.

There are children being blown to bits whilst queueing for food, FFS.

 

[inspectorfrost]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59

Clearing the ground for Donnie's resort and casinos.

[egg]

33 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-33fccfbe-abcc-4af1-bdd2-632b2787cf59

If there's a positive, at least the buildings aren't full of kids. 

It's a disgraceful carry on, and that the west has sat back and allowed it to continue is absolutely appalling. 

[sadoldgit]

21 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Reading through the last couple of days' posts you would think this was a primary school playground with kids taunting each other with pointless, repetative jibes.

There are children being blown to bits whilst queueing for food, FFS.

 

The reason for which is the laughing emoji attached to your post and many previous posts about the indiscriminate killing of women and children.

[egg]

7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

The reason for which is the laughing emoji attached to your post and many previous posts about the indiscriminate killing of women and children.

It isn't. 

Your first post back on this thread was incendiary and unnecessary. It was all about posters and their opinions, not what's happening on the ground in Gaza and elsewhere. You got the reaction, then reacted, and have continued eve when it's been pointed out subtly that you're being antagonist, again. 

You're a pain in the arse. 

 

[whelk]

He’s drunk but a fucking racist simpleton 

 

[badgerx16]

But I thought you couldn't tell if someone was Jewish just by looking at them.

[whelk]

52 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But I thought you couldn't tell if someone was Jewish just by looking at them.

That’s what you took from watching that antisemitic cunt was it?

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

That’s what you took from watching that antisemitic cunt was it?

Didn't watch it, and have no desire to do so, but thought I might get a dig in at Dianne Abbott. Sorry if it was too subtle for you.

Edited Saturday at 15:25 by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3n04w19qlo

Just more genocide. It feels like getting food from Israeli run aid sites is a death sentence. Maybe that's the point, if they can scare enough people maybe they'll just do the decent thing and just let themselves and their kids starve to death.

The Israeli military and Government are fucking cunts.

Edited Saturday at 18:43 by Farmer Saint

[aintforever]

Are we allowed to compare them to Nazis now or is that still antisemitic?

I was at the Imperial War Museum a couple of weeks ago and in the Holocaust Galleries and there were pictures of people starving in the ghettos created by the Nazis and what the Israelis are doing to Gaza instantly sprung to mind. It’s just fucking inhumane and is going to sow seeds of hatred for generations to come.

Edited Saturday at 20:38 by aintforever

[whelk]

10 hours ago, aintforever said:

Are we allowed to compare them to Nazis now or is that still antisemitic?

I was at the Imperial War Museum a couple of weeks ago and in the Holocaust Galleries and there were pictures of people starving in the ghettos created by the Nazis and what the Israelis are doing to Gaza instantly sprung to mind. It’s just fucking inhumane and is going to sow seeds of hatred for generations to come.

Glad you are trying to make up for how little you know of history by visiting museums. Still a long way to go it would seem

[badgerx16]

11 hours ago, aintforever said:

Are we allowed to compare them to Nazis now or is that still antisemitic?

I was at the Imperial War Museum a couple of weeks ago and in the Holocaust Galleries and there were pictures of people starving in the ghettos created by the Nazis and what the Israelis are doing to Gaza instantly sprung to mind. It’s just fucking inhumane and is going to sow seeds of hatred for generations to come.

When they industrialise mass murder, building dedicated extermination camps and organising railway schedules to prioritise the transportation of thousands in cattle cars, many of whom are gassed immediately on arrival at their new "labour camp". When they dig pits into which extermination squads shoot and dump thousands of victims, then they are approaching Nazism.

Try watching Schindler's List, The Boy in the Striped Pajamas, or any of the other films covering the Holocaust. Read about Babyn Yar, or the other actions of the Einsatzgruppen. Whilst the IDF are committing terrible acts, and there seems to be a tolerance of them by the Israeli government, they are way short of Hitler and the Final Solution.

[whelk]

17 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Didn't watch it, and have no desire to do so, but thought I might get a dig in at Dianne Abbott. Sorry if it was too subtle for you.

Yes was too subtle

[egg]

12 hours ago, aintforever said:

Are we allowed to compare them to Nazis now or is that still antisemitic?

I was at the Imperial War Museum a couple of weeks ago and in the Holocaust Galleries and there were pictures of people starving in the ghettos created by the Nazis and what the Israelis are doing to Gaza instantly sprung to mind. It’s just fucking inhumane and is going to sow seeds of hatred for generations to come.

No, and I'm struggling to understand why anyone would even think to. 

I agree with your last sentence though. 

[Turkish]

On 18/07/2025 at 08:56, egg said:

It isn't. 

Your first post back on this thread was incendiary and unnecessary. It was all about posters and their opinions, not what's happening on the ground in Gaza and elsewhere. You got the reaction, then reacted, and have continued eve when it's been pointed out subtly that you're being antagonist, again. 

You're a pain in the arse. 

 

He’s hurting that no one talked about him when he disappeared for a month or so. Came back made the thread about him, made digs at other posters and then plays the nice guy, oh but you made emoji about kids dying, the things I care so much about. When all he really cares about is being the centre of attention on here. Used to be  Married to a narcissist so he knows how to spot ‘em lmfao, he’s the biggest one you’ll ever come across 

Edited yesterday at 09:29 by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

14 hours ago, aintforever said:

Are we allowed to compare them to Nazis now or is that still antisemitic?

It would still be antisemitic. 

[sadoldgit]

14 hours ago, aintforever said:

Are we allowed to compare them to Nazis now or is that still antisemitic?

I was at the Imperial War Museum a couple of weeks ago and in the Holocaust Galleries and there were pictures of people starving in the ghettos created by the Nazis and what the Israelis are doing to Gaza instantly sprung to mind. It’s just fucking inhumane and is going to sow seeds of hatred for generations to come.

You should know by now that any criticism of Netanyahu, his cronies or the actions of the IDF is anti-semitism and is immediately null and void (in the opinion of those committing these crimes and the people who support them). Show any support for the Palestinians and you are a “terrorist” now, apparently.

Genocide is genocide, whoever commits it. They may be differences in scale, but no amount of ethnic cleansing is acceptable, whoever is carrying it out.

And you are right, the IDF have turned Gaza into a Ghetto.

[Weston Super Saint]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You should know by now that any criticism of Netanyahu, his cronies or the actions of the IDF is anti-semitism and is immediately null and void (in the opinion of those committing these crimes and the people who support them). Show any support for the Palestinians and you are a “terrorist” now, apparently.

 

Jesus wept.

Thick fuck still doesn't get it. 

[whelk]

32 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Jesus wept.

Thick fuck still doesn't get it. 

I wonder if Hitler had a country of 2.1million Jews adjacent that there would have been circa 60k deaths to date (3rd of which were Hamas)

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

You should know by now that any criticism of Netanyahu, his cronies or the actions of the IDF is anti-semitism and is immediately null and void (in the opinion of those committing these crimes and the people who support them). Show any support for the Palestinians and you are a “terrorist” now, apparently.

Genocide is genocide, whoever commits it. They may be differences in scale, but no amount of ethnic cleansing is acceptable, whoever is carrying it out.

And you are right, the IDF have turned Gaza into a Ghetto.

I'm not being funny, I have consistently berated Netanyahu, his cronies and the IDF, and not once have I been accused of anti-Semitism on here, or in public.

Edited yesterday at 13:03 by Farmer Saint