Israel

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, whelk said:

So doesn’t matter who has them? Osama bin laden (God rest his soul)?

Probably could have got them, hiding out in Pakistan, because Muslims.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But you're not getting what it is about. It's about attacking a sovereign nation based on that. We've had this before with Iraq, and we were lied to, by far more trustworthy politicians than we have now, and it created fucking havoc. Why are we doing it again?

Limited strikes on nuclear facilities to prevent development of nuclear weapons is not comparable to Iraq. If we see boots on the ground from the West and decades of occupation then I'll likely change my mind. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I just think it's a couple of posters on here who fancy an argument. No one I've ever met in real life thinks it would be a good idea for Iran to get nuclear weapons. 

After all these pages, you still don't get it. Them having a nuke is one point. Whether they were building one is another. Whether they would have rolled their enrichment back to the allowed levels pre 2018 is another. Whether it was right for the US to arbitrarily decide to attac Iran is another. There are other points but you plainly can't see beyond thinking that anyone who doesn't support the US attacks is an Iranian fanboy, and that just muslims can't be trusted with a nuke, so it's pointless. I'm off to watch telly. 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Limited strikes on nuclear facilities to prevent development of nuclear weapons is not comparable to Iraq. If we see boots on the ground from the West and decades of occupation then I'll likely change my mind. 

It's coming...and if you hate the regime that much surely that's what you want?

Edited 19 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's coming...and if you hate the regime that much surely that's what you want?

I'd favour regime change. I expect that will likely happen from within. I would consider it very unlikely at the moment that we are going to see American troops on the ground in Iran. 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

After all these pages, you still don't get it. Them having a nuke is one point. Whether they were building one is another. Whether they would have rolled their enrichment back to the allowed levels pre 2018 is another. Whether it was right for the US to arbitrarily decide to attac Iran is another. There are other points but you plainly can't see beyond thinking that anyone who doesn't support the US attacks is an Iranian fanboy, and that just muslims can't be trusted with a nuke, so it's pointless. I'm off to watch telly. 

Just a load of nonsense and misrepresentation. You're better off wandering off to watch the telly. 

[whelk]

Token attack on US  base by Iran now

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I'd favour regime change. I expect that will likely happen from within. I would consider it very unlikely at the moment that we are going to see American troops on the ground in Iran. 

I doubt it, not without Israeli/US help. The Iranian army is fucking massive, the people wouldn't dare rise up against it. The only way would be military coup, and that is likely to be worse than what we have now.

[AlexLaw76]

The western alliance do not want Iran to have the Bomb

thankfully, we have all been building our armed forces so to take on the impossible 

[Farmer Saint]

The long and short of it is, Iran said they'd come to the table if Israel stopped bombing. Israel didn't stop bombing, because theirs and the US's objective is regime change. Israel because they fear Iran and their ME influence, and the US because of oil. And this is all dressed up nicely in an Iraq style WMD present 🎁 

Edited 19 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

The long and short of it is, Iran said they'd come to the table if Israel stopped bombing. Israel didn't stop bombing, because theirs and the US's objective is regime change. Israel because they fear Iran and their ME influence, and the US because of oil. And this is all dressed up nicely in an Iraq style WMD present 🎁 

Where did they say that? Regime change in Iran is potentially a very good thing. For a start they don't have the clannish history of Iraq. I hope there is regime change for the peoe of Iran and I hope it's an improvement on what they have now. 

[AlexLaw76]

Now that the symbolic retaliatory strike against the US is complete, can we get back to the important issues, like the weather and understanding what a woman is?!

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Where did they say that? Regime change in Iran is potentially a very good thing. For a start they don't have the clannish history of Iraq. I hope there is regime change for the peoe of Iran and I hope it's an improvement on what they have now. 

“This time we were in the middle of negotiations again when this attack took place,” Mohajerani said. “Therefore, as our officials have already stated, as long as there are attacks, negotiations will be meaningless. When the attacks stop, we will think about it.”

[trousers]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

It's absolutely insane that any sensible Westerners would advocate for a country like Iran to obtain nukes. 

Does that include those eristic Saintsweb members that seem to like arguing the opposite point of view for the sake of doing so....?

(That's not aimed at your good self btw)

[egg]

37 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Just a load of nonsense and misrepresentation. You're better off wandering off to watch the telly. 

Detailed debate is too much for you mate. No objectivity and a complete unwillingness to listen to facts that don't support your narrative. Very sad. 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

Detailed debate is too much for you mate. No objectivity and a complete unwillingness to listen to facts that don't support your narrative. Very sad. 

Thought you'd stumbled off to watch the telly? Run along now. 

[hypochondriac]

20 minutes ago, trousers said:

Does that include those eristic Saintsweb members that seem to like arguing the opposite point of view for the sake of doing so....?

(That's not aimed at your good self btw)

I'm not sure I'd mark them as sensible! Like I said in an earlier post, I do think there are people who just want to argue on here. No one seriously advocates for a nuclear armed Iranian regime. 

[Colinjb]

Quote

CONGRATULATIONS WORLD, IT’S TIME FOR PEACE!

Why am I half expecting Trump to now plant a MOAB in Tehran's main public market?

[trousers]

Oof...

 

[Farmer Saint]

38 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not sure I'd mark them as sensible! Like I said in an earlier post, I do think there are people who just want to argue on here. No one seriously advocates for a nuclear armed Iranian regime. 

No, we argue for not attacking sovereign states.

[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Why am I half expecting Trump to now plant a MOAB in Tehran's main public market?

What an utter cunt that man really is. I hope Iran suitcase nuke him.

[whelk]

3 hours ago, iansums said:

Reports of possible Iranian attack on US airbase in Qatar. I’m supposed to be flying into Doha next week for a connecting flight down to Tanzania FFS 😯

 

[benjii]

4 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

And we're back to are they actually trying to develop nuclear weapons, and believing War criminals and US dictators. I don't, so it's not a binary choice for me.

It's not just Trump and Netanyahu saying they are trying to build a bomb. It's independent agencies like IAEA.

Frankly, no serious person doubted it.

You're making yourself look silly.

[benjii]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

“This time we were in the middle of negotiations again when this attack took place,” Mohajerani said. “Therefore, as our officials have already stated, as long as there are attacks, negotiations will be meaningless. When the attacks stop, we will think about it.”

They bullshit constantly. They don't negotiate with the intent of doing anything they just talk, lie, delay, obfuscate, then go back home and beat up some women.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, benjii said:

They bullshit constantly. They don't negotiate with the intent of doing anything they just talk, lie, delay, obfuscate, then go back home and beat up some women.

Yes, we all know what Trump does, but that statement is about Iran.

[Farmer Saint]

19 minutes ago, benjii said:

It's not just Trump and Netanyahu saying they are trying to build a bomb. It's independent agencies like IAEA.

Frankly, no serious person doubted it.

You're making yourself look silly.

So if we're to believe Independent agencies like the IAEA carte blanche, does that mean we should also take into account rulings from independent agencies and courts like the ICC?

[trousers]

 

 

[skintsaint]

Let me just say this has been an amazing war. Really. Some people are calling it the best war. Not me! But many, many people. Very smart people. Generals. Historians. The best.

Now, I know wars are supposed to be bad. They’re supposed to be terrible, right? That’s what they say. But this one? Folks—this one was different. Tremendous success. Tremendous. We fought so beautifully. I mean, it was like watching a five-star hotel open on time and under budget, just beautiful execution.

People didn’t believe we could do it. They said, “Sir, you can’t win a war like that.” And I said, “Why not?” And we did it. We won it faster, bigger, and more stylish than anyone thought possible. People were stunned. The enemy? They were so confused. So confused. They didn’t even know what hit them because it was done with class.

And let’s talk about strategy. I said: “Let’s hit ‘em with something they’ve never seen before.” And we did. We used big ideas. Huge ideas. Ideas so big, they had to build new maps just to fit the victory on it. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it.

So, I just want to say: to everyone who made this war so amazing thank you. You’ve made history. You’ve made winning great again and America great again. And believe me, nobody wins wars like we do.

It’s been an amazing war. Possibly the most amazing. And we’re going to celebrate. 

Thank you. God bless you. 

[SotonianWill]

1 hour ago, benjii said:

It's not just Trump and Netanyahu saying they are trying to build a bomb. It's independent agencies like IAEA.

Frankly, no serious person doubted it.

You're making yourself look silly.

Um, that’s not what the IAEA said. They said they don’t know as they don’t have enough credible knowledge of such a program. They said the enrichment is a worry but not once have they said Iran is trying to build a bomb. 

 

Why talk of being serious while writing about reports you clearly haven’t read?

[Farmer Saint]

6 hours ago, SotonianWill said:

Um, that’s not what the IAEA said. They said they don’t know as they don’t have enough credible knowledge of such a program. They said the enrichment is a worry but not once have they said Iran is trying to build a bomb. 

 

Why talk of being serious while writing about reports you clearly haven’t read?

That can't be true - @hypochondriac and @benjii have built their whole arguments around that.

[egg]

18 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

That can't be true - @hypochondriac and @benjii have built their whole arguments around that.

Tulsi Gabbard said a few months ago that they were not building a bomb. After her update last week, she still didn't say that they were building a nuke. She actually said that they were "at the point that it can produce a nuclear weapon within weeks to months". Similarly, Japan are a "hop, skip and a jump".

The conclusion that a) they would build a bomb, and b) would use it, is opinion.

The former seems credible though, although the one question for me is whether in the talks they had stated a willingness to roll back enrichment to agreed pre 2018 levels. I wouldn't be surprised if they were but that the US were insisting on nothing at all, creating mutual red lines, and a pretext for attack. 

Anyways, we seem to have peace for now, so Israel can focus all their efforts on killing hungry people waiting for food. 

[Farmer Saint]

11 minutes ago, egg said:

Tulsi Gabbard said a few months ago that they were not building a bomb. After her update last week, she still didn't say that they were building a nuke. She actually said that they were "at the point that it can produce a nuclear weapon within weeks to months". Similarly, Japan are a "hop, skip and a jump".

The conclusion that a) they would build a bomb, and b) would use it, is opinion.

The former seems credible though, although the one question for me is whether in the talks they had stated a willingness to roll back enrichment to agreed pre 2018 levels. I wouldn't be surprised if they were but that the US were insisting on nothing at all, creating mutual red lines, and a pretext for attack. 

Anyways, we seem to have peace for now, so Israel can focus all their efforts on killing hungry people waiting for food. 

Luckily for Israel they tend to congregate around the aid centre's, along with women and children, so it's very easy to mow them down.

[rallyboy]

Is that the aid centres that the US has kindly managed to monetise?

What a business plan, you get to gather all your soft targets in one place and make a few quid along the way - disguised as charity, you get tax breaks too. 

[whelk]

You got to think it is a big charade with Trump. Says he is ‘very unhappy’ with Israel violating the ceasefire- don’t believe a word from him though and sure is all be part of his look at me shtick. 

[tdmickey3]

15 minutes ago, whelk said:

You got to think it is a big charade with Trump. Says he is ‘very unhappy’ with Israel violating the ceasefire- don’t believe a word from him though and sure is all be part of his look at me shtick. 

The fat orange bastard just said the f word on live tv...... funny but what a twat

[rallyboy]

Anyone who trusts promises given by Israel and Iran has incredibly poor judgement, and shouldn't be in charge of anything important.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

The fat orange bastard just said the f word on live tv...... funny but what a twat

So just watched that clip - it's the most he's ever made sense 😂

[Farmer Saint]

43 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Anyone who trusts promises given by Israel and Iran has incredibly poor judgement, and shouldn't be in charge of anything important.

We're consistently told Israel are trustworthy on this thread...