The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

A majority who post regularly on here are on the left to some degree. It’s  reflected in the parties they support. It’s nothing to hide but when people who are on the left say their views generally reflect the centre, that’s when it goes wonky. 

 

Merry Christmas mate.

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, egg said:

A climb down is akin to u turn. Announcing it after parliament ended is poor form too. 

They haven’t climbed down though have they? They have just adjusted the level at which it kicks in. They haven’t ditched the bill.

[pingpong]

7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

This would have been the U-est if U-turns had the previous government did it, yes?

There will never be a u-ier U-turn than the previous govt u-ey u-turn in COVID, when they insisted on kids going back to school in January, only to change their minds after ONE day, this ensuring not only a damaging lockdown, but also that it went on longer because everyone had a day to sneeze and snot on each others kids before sending them home to their parents.

Lethal consequences for some too.

So it's going to take something more than adjusting a limit on some tax before they get close to u-iest.

 

[Sir Ralph]

8 hours ago, pingpong said:

There will never be a u-ier U-turn than the previous govt u-ey u-turn in COVID, when they insisted on kids going back to school in January, only to change their minds after ONE day, this ensuring not only a damaging lockdown, but also that it went on longer because everyone had a day to sneeze and snot on each others kids before sending them home to their parents.

Lethal consequences for some too.

So it's going to take something more than adjusting a limit on some tax before they get close to u-iest.

Edited Thursday at 06:33 by Sir Ralph

[east-stand-nic]

On 24/12/2025 at 14:52, Farmer Saint said:

Would love to know how these conversations started. How many people we talking about Ralph? And in what walks of life? Just an example of how you started your chat, and how that progressed onto Government policy and their hatred would be good.

As if people want to have those chats at Christmas with some random weirdo 😂 It reminds me of when @east-stand-nic told us he has spoken to 7 separate white South African's, and each one told him of their struggles with being persecuted in SA because they were white.

I think the problem the "lefties" have on here is not criticism of the Government - in fact some of us have been incredibly vocal on how shit this government has been - it's more that a lot of our right leaning posters just seem to make shit up to try to prove their point, instead of using facts. Come up with a well articulated, back-up point then we will be happy to discuss at length (as tends to happen more with posters like @hypochondriac), but there are too many posters, like yourself, who seem to veer away from detail or the truth. We don't particularly like this Government, we just don't take fools gladly.

Have a lovely Xmas! 🎄 🎁 

Why oh why does the truth bother you so much dopey? So I know people from all over the world and have traveled. So what. So I get to hear stuff that you dont on MSM who are clearly bias. Suck it up buttercup. 

[Sir Ralph]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kpv1z372lo
 

Greedy and delusional young people. They should just suck it up, put up with an over regulated system and pay more tax, albeit these issues are all in their heads anyway so not sure what they are whinging about🤣. It’s unacceptable we have invested so Much in their education to lose them to other countries because they can’t see a future here…..

Edited 15 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

7 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kpv1z372lo
 

Greedy and delusional young people. They should just suck it up, put up with an over regulated system and pay more tax, albeit these issues are all in their heads anyway so not sure what they are whinging about🤣. It’s unacceptable we have invested so Much in their education to lose them to other countries because they can’t see a future here…..

Cheers mate. Very interesting. 

I see that the data is up to the end in June in the article. I guess they must have made their minds up with all those years of the Tories and austerity and then Labour smashing in the the regulations in just 11 months.

Edited 8 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[badgerx16]

6 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kpv1z372lo
 

Greedy and delusional young people. They should just suck it up, put up with an over regulated system and pay more tax, albeit these issues are all in their heads anyway so not sure what they are whinging about🤣. It’s unacceptable we have invested so Much in their education to lose them to other countries because they can’t see a future here…..

If things are so bad, why are you still here ?

[Sir Ralph]

39 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If things are so bad, why are you still here ?

You’re missing the point. It’s not a good thing that young people want to leave the country. We invest a lot in their education via the tax payer for them to stay and contribute to our economy. Making a personal comment about me is missing the point and is rather childish. This (younger people leaving) shouldn’t be happening

Edited 8 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

42 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Cheers mate. Very interesting. 

I see that the data is up to the end in June in the article. I guess they must have made their minds up with all those years of the Tories and austerity and then Labour smashing in the the regulations in just 11 months.

The three examples provided by the BBC all left since the new government came into power. As I keep saying, a lot of people are disheartened by a government who wants to tax working people and businesses more and more and think they would be more successful elsewhere. This is a very common business sentiment regularly published in the press. Whilst the Tories had some policies that didn’t help, government policy has certainly peaked this sentiment, and therefore the response from these young people is not surprising. The evidence in this sentiment is contained below.

https://www.icaew.com/technical/economy/business-confidence-monitor/business-confidence-monitor-national

https://www.iod.com/news/uk-economy/iod-press-release-business-confidence-falls-to-new-record-low/#:~:text=The IoD Directors' Economic Confidence,+6%2C from +5.

Edited 8 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

16 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

You’re missing the point. It’s not a good thing that young people want to leave the country. We invest a lot in their education via the tax payer for them to stay and contribute to our economy. Making a personal comment about me is missing the point. This shouldn’t be happening

Nearly a million people came legally to the UK in the last year. Why do you think that is ?

Their reasons for leaving may well aleo include other personal factors that are not in the report.  Obviously better weather, and maybe a more relaxed lifestyle are attractive.

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

6 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Nearly a million people came legally to the UK in the last year. Why do you think that is ?

Deflection. Point isn’t really relevant to why more young British working people want to leave anyway.
 

People coming here from other countries probably in search of a better life compared to theirs in developing countries. That isn’t a great test for the success of rhea country. Notwithstanding this isn’t immigration down too if that’s the point you want to make?

Back to the young people - why are they leaving?

Edited 8 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

Deflection. Point isn’t really relevant to why more young British working people want to leave anyway. 
 

People coming here from other countries probably in search of a better life compared to theirs in developing countries. Notwithstanding this isn’t immigration down too if that’s the point you want to make?

Back to the young people - why are they leaving?

Read my edit.

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Read my edit.

So your point is that, despite some of the examples quoting the worsening economic environment and business surveys showing the lowest level of optimism for a significant period, that all of a sudden a surge of young working people have had personal issues that have meant they have decided to leave the country in much greater numbers than before? Just checking if that’s your explanation 

Edited 8 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So your point is that, despite some of the examples quoting the worsening economic environment and business surveys showing the lowest level of optimism for a significant period, that all of a sudden a surge of young working people have had personal issues that have meant they have decided to leave the country in much greater numbers than before? Just checking if that’s 

24 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The three examples provided by the BBC all left since the new government came into power. As I keep saying, a lot of people are disheartened by a government who wants to tax working people and businesses more and more and think they would be more successful elsewhere. This is a very common business sentiment regularly published in the press. Whilst the Tories had some policies that didn’t help, government policy has certainly peaked this sentiment, and therefore the response from these young people is not surprising. The evidence in this sentiment is contained below.

https://www.icaew.com/technical/economy/business-confidence-monitor/business-confidence-monitor-national

https://www.iod.com/news/uk-economy/iod-press-release-business-confidence-falls-to-new-record-low/#:~:text=The IoD Directors' Economic Confidence,+6%2C from +5.

 

Do you not think these people would have left anyway? 

 

 

 

[skintsaint]

8 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kpv1z372lo
 

Greedy and delusional young people. They should just suck it up, put up with an over regulated system and pay more tax, albeit these issues are all in their heads anyway so not sure what they are whinging about🤣. It’s unacceptable we have invested so Much in their education to lose them to other countries because they can’t see a future here…..

So one wants to leave his laptop in a cafe and walk off and not get it nicked, another doesn't want to pay tax, and the third wants to live somewhere hotter and cheaper, hence a shitty island in Asia. 😅

Its 2025, young people want to work, travel and explore the world, I am actually surprised it was only 195k that have done out of the 13m or so million in the 20 - 35 year age bracket in the UK.

[whelk]

Ralph talking the country down again I see. Don’t like it here, fuck off mate to a more pleasant environment. Funny how all the right wingers hate the UK yet try and dress themselves up as patriots.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

So one wants to leave his laptop in a cafe and walk off and not get it nicked, another doesn't want to pay tax, and the third wants to live somewhere hotter and cheaper, hence a shitty island in Asia. 😅

Its 2025, young people want to work, travel and explore the world, I am actually surprised it was only 195k that have done out of the 13m or so million in the 20 - 35 year age bracket in the UK.

Most people moving to Dubai have big ambitions and dreams, Isobel says
 

yet no soul. Enjoy the shopping malls love. 

[whelk]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

So one wants to leave his laptop in a cafe and walk off and not get it nicked, another doesn't want to pay tax, and the third wants to live somewhere hotter and cheaper, hence a shitty island in Asia. 😅

Its 2025, young people want to work, travel and explore the world, I am actually surprised it was only 195k that have done out of the 13m or so million in the 20 - 35 year age bracket in the UK.

The article is generally bollocks that could be written at any point in time with the same asinine quotes. People who flea are always desperate to tell you how great their lives are. Oh it’s 30 degrees and I go for a run everyday. Novelty can soon wear off

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

You’re missing the point. It’s not a good thing that young people want to leave the country. We invest a lot in their education via the tax payer for them to stay and contribute to our economy. Making a personal comment about me is missing the point and is rather childish. This (younger people leaving) shouldn’t be happening

"Sun all year round is a huge reason for me."

Fucking Labour and their anti-sun policies.

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

"Sun all year round is a huge reason for me."

Fucking Labour and their anti-sun policies.

If the Tories were still in power they could have ordered some of the weather we had in the first lock down.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Deflection. Point isn’t really relevant to why more young British working people want to leave anyway.
 

People coming here from other countries probably in search of a better life compared to theirs in developing countries. That isn’t a great test for the success of rhea country. Notwithstanding this isn’t immigration down too if that’s the point you want to make?

Back to the young people - why are they leaving?

Because we live in a shit hole of a country with no hope and no future outside of the EU, and a possible Reform government on the horizon to fuck it further.

It's why I'm seriously re-considering my options now, even with the changes to the farm tax.

Edited 6 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

If the Tories were still in power they could have ordered some of the weather we had in the first lock down.

 

46 minutes ago, whelk said:

Most people moving to Dubai have big ambitions and dreams, Isobel says
 

yet no soul. Enjoy the shopping malls love. 

So just before Xmas me and a few friends did some volunteering at a children's charity, and one of my ex-colleagues joined us (he moved to Dubai to be a CEO of an IT company in April). He's enjoying it, although he said the weather in the Summer is oppressive. He also has a young wife and baby and they are struggling a bit.

What he was saying though is that younger people are going out there without fully appreciating the costs. Most young people who move out will not have schooling including in their packages (tends to be VP and above), and this can be a huge cost, even with the zero tax incentives. However, most young people who move to Dubai aren't interested in having kids...you tend to be a certain kind of person to move to a sandy hell-hole like that.

Edited 6 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

So one wants to leave his laptop in a cafe and walk off and not get it nicked, another doesn't want to pay tax, and the third wants to live somewhere hotter and cheaper, hence a shitty island in Asia. 😅

Its 2025, young people want to work, travel and explore the world, I am actually surprised it was only 195k that have done out of the 13m or so million in the 20 - 35 year age bracket in the UK.

One of the main reason's they're leaving to these countries is due to leaving the EU they can no longer easily move to other EU countries that they previously would have.

[badgerx16]

There has been a longstanding trend for the majority of British nationals emigrating from the UK to be under 35, generally around 75% annually, ( @180 thousand ), and this has been particularly so since the pandemic. I don't think the current Government has had much impact on the statistics.

Edited 5 hours ago by badgerx16

[Farmer Saint]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

There has been a longstanding trend for the majority of British nationals emigrating from the UK to be under 35, generally around 75% annually, ( @180 thousand ), and this has been particularly so since the pandemic. I don't think the current Government has had much impact on the statistics.

Young people have always wanted to be mobile. I moved to the US at 32 for example. Add that to the issues Western countries are having with creating jobs for youngsters over the past 5 to 10 years and you can see why they're going.

Edited 5 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Young people have always wanted to be mobile. I moved to the US at 32 for example. Add that to the issues Western countries are having with creating jobs for youngsters over the past 5 to 10 years and you can see why they're going.

Exactly this. One of my biggest regrets is not travelling and working abroad when i had the chance. Would encourage any youngster to do it. Not Dubai because most people there are twats but elsewhere in the world. A lad that used to work for me asked my advice on it, i told him to jump at it. He got a transfer to work for the same company in Australia, he's since moved onto a different company but is settled there got a girlfriend and is very happy. 

[egg]

4 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Nearly a million people came legally to the UK in the last year. Why do you think that is ?

Their reasons for leaving may well aleo include other personal factors that are not in the report.  Obviously better weather, and maybe a more relaxed lifestyle are attractive.

 

 

It's clickbait.

One has gone to join her parents after her business went to shit, another is on a short term post grad visa, and the other thinks South Africa is the ultimate destination for a white Brit. 

[Farmer Saint]

59 minutes ago, egg said:

It's clickbait.

One has gone to join her parents after her business went to shit, another is on a short term post grad visa, and the other thinks South Africa is the ultimate destination for a white Brit. 

It's another example of Ralph parroting another article without properly reading or applying any critical thinking or historical analysis.

Edited 2 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

It's clickbait.

One has gone to join her parents after her business went to shit, another is on a short term post grad visa, and the other thinks South Africa is the ultimate destination for a white Brit. 

You would think the BBC could provide a bit of background snd perspective in their story.

[whelk]

Gary said he was off to Vietnam as was fed up with the strict child protection laws in the UK. So much easier to operate without all those do-good meddlers 

 

[Sir Ralph]

51 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's another example of Ralph parroting another post without properly reading or applying any critical thinking or historical analysis.

The point of the article is why nearly 200k British young people have left in the last 6 months. I quote:

David Little, financial planning partner at UK wealth manager Evelyn Partners, believes young people are choosing to work abroad due to the "increasingly negative economic narrative in the UK", of high unemployment, rising debt and tax burdens, and fewer graduate vacancies.

Obviously, like me, this guy doesn’t have a clue. As you have articulated many times, we need to be taxing people more but these are unfortunately the consequences of short term economic policies like that

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Obviously. The point of the article is why nearly 200k British young people have left in the last 6 months. I quote:

David Little, financial planning partner at UK wealth manager Evelyn Partners, believes young people are choosing to work abroad due to the "increasingly negative economic narrative in the UK", of high unemployment, rising debt and tax burdens, and fewer graduate vacancies.

Obviously, like me, this guy doesn’t have a clue. 

But all of that is nothing new and was the same under the Tories? And what increasing tax burdens for the young is that? In fact, the move to a higher national wage should help to put more money in our youngsters pockets. Please don't quite your old favourite "inheritance tax" again.

Edited 2 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[AlexLaw76]

forensic

 

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

But all of that is nothing new and was the same under the Tories? And what increasing tax burdens for the young is that? In fact, the move to a higher national wage should help to put more money in our youngsters pockets. Please don't quite your old favourite "inheritance tax" again.

It is a bleak outlook for many youngsters. Only idiots think this is of Labour’s making. Don’t think they have been effective but are actually trying to help

[whelk]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

forensic

 

That feed must be a joy to behold. Must be really uplifting for you. 

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The point of the article is why nearly 200k British young people have left in the last 6 months. I quote:

David Little, financial planning partner at UK wealth manager Evelyn Partners, believes young people are choosing to work abroad due to the "increasingly negative economic narrative in the UK", of high unemployment, rising debt and tax burdens, and fewer graduate vacancies.

Obviously, like me, this guy doesn’t have a clue. As you have articulated many times, we need to be taxing people more but these are unfortunately the consequences of short term economic policies like that

Also, why would he have a clue - he's a Financial Advisor. Why would he have a clue as to why our younger generation are working abroad? They shove numbers into models, they're not macro-economists.

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

But all of that is nothing new? And what increasing tax burdens for the young is that? In fact, the move to a higher national wage should help to put more money in our youngsters pockets. Please don't quite your old favourite "inheritance tax" again.

We aren’t talking about people on minimum wage. We are talking about young educated people who are possibly young entrepreneurs. If you want to start a business, the incentives due to increased business costs are reduced. To employee people is now riskier due to the new labour rights bill. Dividend tax is up, capital gains tax is up, personal tax is essentially up due to freezing of tax bands. In addition young people see what’s happened in the last year and think there is another 3 years or so left of this. If you are in your prime years why spend it here - go to a country with a positive business environment. 

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is a bleak outlook for many youngsters. Only idiots think this is of Labour’s making. Don’t think they have been effective but are actually trying to help

It’s not all of their making. They are making it worse. How are they helping?

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

We aren’t talking about people on minimum wage. We are talking about young educated people who are possibly young entrepreneurs. If you want to start a business, the incentives due to increased business costs are reduced. To employee people is now riskier due to the new labour rights bill. Dividend tax is up, capital gains tax is up, personal tax is essentially up due to freezing of tax bands. In addition young people see what’s happened in the last year and think there is another 3 years or so left of this. If you are in your prime years why spend it here - go to a country with a positive business environment. 

What, like Japan and South Africa? You know Japan has a very high tax burden for high-earners? South Africa? Really? Or the cunts playground known as Dubai? You think we should be zero tax do you? 

Freezing tax bands was put in place by the Tories originally, and would have been extended anyway.

It is also the year ending June 2025 - emigrating is a long and arduous process, so the chance is that most of these people made their decision to leave whilst the Tories were in power.

Edited 2 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

What, like Japan and South Africa? You know Japan has a very high tax burden for high-earners? South Africa? Really? Or the cunts playground known as Dubai? You think we should be zero tax do you? 

Freezing tax bands was put in place by the Tories originally, and would have been extended anyway.

It is also the year ending June 2025 - emigrating is a long and arduous process, so the chance is that most of these people made their decision to leave whilst the Tories were in power.

I disagree with your latter point as young people tend to be mobile and footloose. 

Anyway what policies has this government put in place to encourage young entrepreneurs and business people to stay in the UK in the context of all the negative things it has done that I set out?

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I disagree with your latter point as young people tend to be mobile and footloose. 

Anyway what policies has this government put in place to encourage young entrepreneurs and business people to stay in the UK in the context of all the negative things it has done that I set out?

Do you understand what it takes to get a visa to work in another country? Clearly not as it is not an easy, quick or cheap thing to do. Took me 2 years to get into the US, and that was with a lot of money behind me. I know it can take 3 years to get into Canada as that's what I'm going through at the moment. I know a heart surgeon who is moving to Australia in February, that's taken over a year and they are crying out for people like him.

Answer my questions first please.

Edited 2 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Sir Ralph]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Do you understand what it takes to get a visa to work in another country? Clearly not as it is not as easy, quick or cheap thing to do.

Answer my questions first please.

It depends on the country and what you’re offering. Some countries are more testing (eg the US) and others are easier (eg UAE)
 

We couldn’t be zero tax but certainly should not have been increasing taxes on businesses and entrepreneurs in the last year. If anything we should be looking for ways to make savings to reduce corporation tax down again in my opinion. Definitely not increasing the burden

So what are the raft of pro business policies that all of these young people have missed?
 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Farmer Saint]

19 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

It depends on the country and what you’re offering. Some countries are more testing (eg the US) and others are easier (eg UAE)
 

We couldn’t be zero tax but certainly should not have been increasing taxes on businesses and entrepreneurs in the last year. If anything we should be looking for ways to make savings to reduce corporation tax down again in my opinion. Definitely not increasing the burden

So what are the raft of pro business policies that all of these young people have missed?
 

 

And you were aware that tax burdens were higher in Japan for high earners? No, didn't think so. Our young entrepreneurs aren't going to Dubai, they're going to Spain and Ireland (due to CTA and low cost of living) mostly.

Tax burdens and dividend tax increases for the self-employed/entrepreneurs have been eroded gradually since 2014 - when I had my own business every year we were dealing with thresholds being reduced until it was barely anything. The added reduction in rates are not what has caused this - it is years of Government mismanagement.

The biggest issue for youngsters is the lack of private sector jobs, and this has been an issue since COVID as private companies do not want to employ graduates. That's what we need to solve, and it's something that comes up ALL the time when discussing at board meetings. It's all experience over education now, and you can't invent experience.

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

And you were aware that tax burdens were higher in Japan for high earners? No, didn't think so. Our young entrepreneurs aren't going to Dubai, they're going to Spain and Ireland (due to CTA and low cost of living) mostly.

Tax burdens and dividend tax increases for the self-employed/entrepreneurs have been eroded gradually since 2014 - when I had my own business every year we were dealing with thresholds being reduced until it was barely anything. The added reduction in rates are not what has caused this - it is years of Government mismanagement.

I have also owned my own business for a long period and these taxes imposed are by far the highest. You haven’t answered my question about all the positive business policies that the government has introduced in light of all the bad ones I mentioned?

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I have also owned my own business for a long period and these taxes imposed are by far the highest. You haven’t answered my question about all the positive business policies that the government has introduced in light of all the bad ones I mentioned?

Because we've been through that before, so I wonder why you're asking the same question again. They're not particularly offering pro-business policies, and yet the economy is doing better than under the "pro-business" Conservatives. Weird, huh? They are offering policies like the below though:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/almost-a-million-young-people-to-benefit-from-expanded-support-new-training-and-work-experience-opportunities

"Brits are moving to popular spots like Australia, Spain, Canada, and the UAE, seeking lifestyle, job opportunities, and lower living costs, with younger Brits favoring the US/Canada for work and older generations sticking with Spain/Portugal for retirement, while emerging trends show interest in Qatar, Norway, and Georgia for unique work/life balance. "

Interesting bit from t'internet, with the young choosing US and Canada, which we know take a long time to get work visa's for so must have been applied for pre-Labour. Surprising to see high tax Norway on that list as well. It's as if people move abroad for all sorts of reasons...

Edited 1 hour ago by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

The point of the article is why nearly 200k British young people have left in the last 6 months. I quote:

 

THE POINT IS that that figure is no different from the previous year, or the one before that, or the one before that, etc. This is not a statisticsl anomaly, or an excessive rise on previous years.

What is missing from the historical analysis is whether these young adults return to the UK, and after how long abroad.

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

forensic

 

There’s also reports that they’re going to strip him of his Egyptian citizenship, which means Starmer won’t be able to do the same. 
 

It’s a mess, like most things started by the Tories, and continued under these clowns. It also sums up what a complete and utter fuckwits Starmer surrounds himself with. You think one of them would have checked this blokes history before announcing how pleased he was & how his release was a priority of his Government. Their rush to show their virtue overrides everything . They really are completely and utterly clueless.  

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

There’s also reports that they’re going to strip him of his Egyptian citizenship, which means Starmer won’t be able to do the same. 
 

It’s a mess, like most things started by the Tories, and continued under these clowns. It also sums up what a complete and utter fuckwits Starmer surrounds himself with. You think one of them would have checked this blokes history before announcing how pleased he was & how his release was a priority of his Government. Their rush to show their virtue overrides everything . They really are completely and utterly clueless.  

Fucking ridiculous how poor Starmer is.