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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He fits the profile of a labour leader. White, male, a London constituency. Doubt they’d want to risk someone with a 500 vote majority though..

There were very specific reasons though for his majority, same as Phillips that won’t be there in the same volumes in 2029. They’d have both been pretty solid majorities otherwise.

You have a fairer point on gender as the Tories have had three female PMs. Although have the Labour Party since Barbara Castle objectively had a female minister of genuine PM qualities in the same way Thatcher and May were? Some very talented ministers and people like Mo Mowlam for certain but not sure PM skill set.

That said, I don’t think Truss being elected by their members is anything to reflect on with pride. She’s almost as mad as Trump.

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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7 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Again, more good news:

https://www.ft.com/content/ea7db2b6-1824-4ebb-b9ac-1d6693b34c74?utm_sf_cserv_ref=8860325749&utm_sf_post_ref=655505166&fbclid=IwdGRjcAPcOqFjbGNrA9w6nGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHp5Y0E4G-VC6ozUMX0bhoZc_5G5vJKqrdHP1_AoBMU_ulKzekPFd5KB5UCUs_aem_GV_p2vfMzibIcMm9lHRahQ

 

Posting links to paywalled articles means that we only get to read the headline.

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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22 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

You have a fairer point on gender as the Tories have had three female PMs

It’s not just that. They’ve had leaders of Asian heritage, black & Jewish (don’t tell Soggy). What have labour had, white men. The only slightly diverse leader they had was Mad Ed, who was a Jew, even that was some 130 years after the Conservatives. Every time the membership get a vote, these “progressives” vote for the white bloke (preferably from North London) 

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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16 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s not just that. They’ve had leaders of Asian heritage, black & Jewish (don’t tell Soggy). What have labour had, white men. The only slightly diverse leader they had was Mad Ed, who was a Jew, even that was some 130 years after the Conservatives. Every time the membership get a vote, these “progressives” vote for the white bloke (preferably from North London) 

Whilst what you say is true, I'm not a big fan of giving someone praise due to their identity. A black person or an Asian woman can do a crap job or a brilliant job and the fact they are black or Asian or a woman really doesn't figure into the equation.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s not just that. They’ve had leaders of Asian heritage, black & Jewish (don’t tell Soggy). What have labour had, white men. The only slightly diverse leader they had was Mad Ed, who was a Jew, even that was some 130 years after the Conservatives. Every time the membership get a vote, these “progressives” vote for the white bloke (preferably from North London) 

Cunts are still cunts, no matter the heritage.

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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Perhaps labour should abolish their all women shortlists, they’re clearly not getting talented chicks to the top. 
 

Imagine if the Tory party only picked white men to lead them, people wouldn’t be making these excuses. They’d be calling the membership dinosaurs, bigots & sexists for only choosing white men.  

Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn408vmxrg8o
 

This is very worrying it was crap before, if this guy gets in backed by the mad lefties we are in for a terrible time. The Labour Party is roundly hated in the country. Bring a more of an unelected lefty in who will bow to back benchers will be crap. Upside is another nail in the coffin of the communist party. 🤣

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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51 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn408vmxrg8o
 

This is very worrying it was crap before, if this guy gets in backed by the mad lefties we are in for a terrible time. The Labour Party is roundly hated in the country. Bring a more of an unelected lefty in who will bow to back benchers will be crap. Upside is another nail in the coffin of the communist party. 🤣

You are as clueless as nic. To win the seat he will have to win the by election. “Mad Lefties?” You don’t seem to have a problem with the mad people on the right. Communists? 😂

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn408vmxrg8o
 

This is very worrying it was crap before, if this guy gets in backed by the mad lefties we are in for a terrible time. The Labour Party is roundly hated in the country. Bring a more of an unelected lefty in who will bow to back benchers will be crap. Upside is another nail in the coffin of the communist party. 🤣

All parties are coalitions and all have their moderate and less so branches.  I suppose you have forgotten Truss and Kwarteng, let alone the ERG and other nutters in the Tory ranks.

If Burnham gets selected, and then reaches Westminster he WILL have been elected, juat as he was as Mayor. You do understand how elections work, don't you ?

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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9 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

All parties are coalitions and all have their moderate and less so branches.  I suppose you have forgotten Truss and Kwarteng, let alone the ERG and other nutters in the Tory ranks.

If Burnham gets selected, and then reaches Westminster he WILL have been elected, juat as he was as Mayor. You do understand how elections work, don't you ?

So you are now using Truss as a justification for Burnham? Are you sure about that?

The country did not vote to be run by the left wing nut jobs on the Labour back benches and Trade Unions. This will see the self styled “King of the North” working with “Big Ange” give me (and all of us) strength

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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8 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’m sure Soggy has plenty to say about “the king of the north” promising his voters he’d serve a full term as mayor  and wouldn’t be heading to Westminster .

He’ll fit in perfectly in Westminster

 

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you are now using Truss as a justification for Burnham? Are you sure about that?

The country did not vote to be run by the left wing nut jobs on the Labour back benches and Trade Unions. This will see the self styled “King of the North” working with “Big Ange” give me (and all of us) strength

Genuinely, no one gives a fuck what you think apart from Nutty Nic. Give us a rest and sling your hook will you?

We had multiple unelected PMs from the Conservatives over the past 15 years. It happens, get over it. You vote for a party, not a PM.

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Genuinely, no one gives a fuck what you think apart from Nutty Nic. Give us a rest and sling your hook will you?

Of course you don’t. It’s a left wing echo chamber. Why would you care about anyone who has a different view but actually is more reflective of the views of the nation in relation to the Labour Party.

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Of course you don’t. It’s a left wing echo chamber. Why would you care about anyone who has a different view but actually is more reflective of the views of the nation.

There are posts above from both LD and Alex, who both sit on the right. Not sure how that makes this a left wing echo chamber. Or do they not count?

Our issues are not debating different viewpoints. Our issues are you, and you don't seem to understand that.

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you are now using Truss as a justification for Burnham? Are you sure about that?

The country did not vote to be run by the left wing nut jobs on the Labour back benches and Trade Unions. This will see the self styled “King of the North” working with “Big Ange” give me (and all of us) strength

You went on a rant about him being "unelected", which he isn't and wouldn't be. The country did not vote for Truss as PM or the disaster that was Trussanomics, and the Parliamentary party preferred Sunak in the leadership election.

You seem to hold 'The North' in low regard. 

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JohnnyShearer2.0

JohnnyShearer2.0

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3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

So you are now using Truss as a justification for Burnham? Are you sure about that?

The country did not vote to be run by the left wing nut jobs on the Labour back benches and Trade Unions. This will see the self styled “King of the North” working with “Big Ange” give me (and all of us) strength

So its you conveying its justification whereas I see it as an example. Why make a habit of trying to distort what the other person says? 

You really do try hard to make left vs right on here. Not sure why and now your new line is that its a left echo chamber.....

I'm happy to say that Starmer has ballsed it on a number of things including the NI increase, poor handling of the fuel allowance and even the benefits backtracking (as others). 

Lest we forget that the country is in this state due to austerity, covid and Ukraine also Brexit (losing upto £100 billion in trade).

People have no patience and fed up on a number of things now.

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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3 hours ago, rooney said:

He is taking a chance here. They could end up with a non labour Mayor and MP in that Manchester constituency.

He’ll win, no bother. Normally people vote against the Governing party in a By election to signal their unpopularity , this time they’ll vote for the Governing party to signal that unpopularity. 13k majority, over 50% of the vote last time, and it being framed as a chance to trigger binning that dud Starmer, they’ll hang on pretty easily…..

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’ll win, no bother. Normally people vote against the Governing party in a By election to signal their unpopularity , this time they’ll vote for the Governing party to signal that unpopularity. 13k majority, over 50% of the vote last time, and it being framed as a chance to trigger binning that dud Starmer, and they’ll hang on pretty easily…..

Burnham is popular in the party, and in Manchester.

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