Solving the Immigration Problem

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

That prick Thompson has pleaded not guilty.... what a wanker

Gets his day in Court and the opportunity to spout his bollocks.

[aintforever]

4 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Evidence please? I’ve given you evidence that the blue hair and nose ring brigade get leniency. I would love to take your word for it but experience tells me otherwise

How does the very tough sentences handed out to the Just Stop Oil protesters square with your two-tier theory?

[Weston Super Saint]

34 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Gets his day in Court and the opportunity to spout his bollocks.

He'll also see what proof they've got. I reckon they've really got their work cut out to prove he did it!

Although pleading not guilty to a crime that everyone knows you've committed isn't going to make sure you get a lower sentence when the decision is made!

[Sir Ralph]

40 minutes ago, aintforever said:

How does the very tough sentences handed out to the Just Stop Oil protesters square with your two-tier theory?

The just stop oil protests aren’t a similar comparison with the migrant protests. The major JSO cases involved deliberately planned, large scale disruption relating to significant transport infrastructure and military infrastructure. Also some of the JSO people had previous for similar actions at similar protests as it’s the same bunch of people causing the disruption.

The migrant hotel protests involved some disorder, attacks on police and riot, so different to JSO. The BLM protests involved similar disorder, attacks on police and riot as the migrant protests but with published prosecution and sentencing outcomes nowhere near as bad as the migrant hotels protests.

Edited 7 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[rallyboy]

Plead guilty and donations stop

Plead not guilty and you can carry on fleecing the thickos and racists.

#prayfortommo

[Lighthouse]

Feel a bit sorry for Thomas. I also got arrested for getting my dinghy out and having a slash, on Netley beach.

[egg]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Gets his day in Court and the opportunity to spout his bollocks.

And to roll the dice and hope that 12 good folk from Portsmouth acquit. He may well have an argument that, at the moment he slashed it, the dinghy was abandoned and didn't belong to another. Watch this space.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, egg said:

And to roll the dice and hope that 12 good folk from Portsmouth acquit. He may well have an argument that, at the moment he slashed it, the dinghy was abandoned and didn't belong to another. Watch this space.

Really, really really hope not

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Feel a bit sorry for Thomas. I also got arrested for getting my dinghy out and having a slash, on Netley beach.

Shaking it for too long afterwards is an altogether different crime

[egg]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

Shaking it for too long afterwards is an altogether different crime

Sounds like the voice of experience. 

[Farmer Saint]

[Farmer Saint]

25 minutes ago, egg said:

And to roll the dice and hope that 12 good folk from Portsmouth acquit. He may well have an argument that, at the moment he slashed it, the dinghy was abandoned and didn't belong to another. Watch this space.

They'll likely be poor and inadequately educated, so will be on his side unfortunately.

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

The just stop oil protests aren’t a similar comparison with the migrant protests. The major JSO cases involved deliberately planned, large scale disruption relating to significant transport infrastructure and military infrastructure. Also some of the JSO people had previous for similar actions at similar protests as it’s the same bunch of people causing the disruption.

The migrant hotel protests involved some disorder, attacks on police and riot, so different to JSO. The BLM protests involved similar disorder, attacks on police and riot as the migrant protests but with published prosecution and sentencing outcomes nowhere near as bad as the migrant hotels protests.

And what about the really tough sentences handed out for the 2012 riots?

[egg]

10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

They'll likely be poor and inadequately educated, so will be on his side unfortunately.

He's got nothing to lose that's for sure. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

54 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Feel a bit sorry for Thomas. I also got arrested for getting my dinghy out and having a slash, on Netley beach.

I'm sure it would've been bigger once you'd inflated it. 🙂

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

And what about the really tough sentences handed out for the 2012 riots?

Havent looked into it. What I'm doing is comparing the treatment from a political perspective. Protests from those on the left versus the right. The 2011 riots werent politically motivated / driven by people from a specific political spectrum (it was just chaos) and were 14 years ago so not really what I have been comparing. Do you agree the BLM protests were unusually lenient compared to the illegal immigrant protests? If so why?

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[egg]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

And what about the really tough sentences handed out for the 2012 riots?

2011? Your mate will ignore them as they had a left leaning motivation, and lacked any right leaning motivation. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I'm sure it would've been bigger once you'd inflated it. 🙂

People who were sunbathing in the RV Country Park complained about the shadow caused by his erm ‘lighthouse’. 

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Havent looked into it. What I'm doing is comparing the treatment from a political perspective. Protests from those on the left versus the right. The 2011 riots werent politically motivated / driven by people from a specific political spectrum (it was just chaos) and were 14 years ago so not really what I have been comparing. Do you agree the BLM protests were unusually lenient compared to the illegal immigrant protests? If so why?

Can you please get us two similar cases, similar age/sex of defendant, similar previous criminal history, similar social media profile, same judge and then we can do comparisons. You can't (and I can't believe we're going through this again) just stereotype all these cases into one. Let's deal with some of these charges 1 by 1, and then we can have a sensible, detailed debate about it.

What I would say, is BLM is protesting against the glamorisation of historic slavery and racism, which I think we would all agree is a good thing, whereas the immigrant protests are protesting for racism, so I think they're onto a hiding already.

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[Sir Ralph]

37 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Can you please get us two similar cases, similar age/sex of defendant, similar previous criminal history, similar social media profile, same judge and then we can do comparisons. You can't (and I can't believe we're going through this again) just stereotype all these cases into one. Let's deal with some of these charges 1 by 1, and then we can have a sensible, detailed debate about it.

What I would say, is BLM is protesting against the glamorisation of historic slavery and racism, which I think we would all agree is a good thing, whereas the immigrant protests are protesting for racism, so I think they're onto a hiding already.

No I don’t need to. I’ve got a sample of cases across two similar protests, in a similar time period, with similar crimes, and that is sufficient to demonstrate the difference. Hardly anyone (other than some of the left wing posters on here) wouldn’t accept the reasonable comparisons I have provided on here. Last time I got criticised for cherry picking individual cases!

I won’t even get onto your views about BLM. Protesting about Imaginary modern day racism, which doesn’t materially impact society (we live in one of the most tolerant, sometimes overly tolerant, societies in the world) and things that happened hundreds of years ago, which aren’t relevant nowadays. BLM is a Marxist organisation. Anyway I thought a crime was a crime regardless of your perception of the rights and wrongs. Is it not now?

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[Farmer Saint]

10 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

No I don’t need to. I’ve got a sample of cases across two similar protests, in a similar time period, with similar crimes, and that is sufficient to demonstrate the difference. Hardly anyone (other than some of the left wing posters on here) wouldn’t accept the reasonable comparisons I have provided on here. Last time I got criticised for cherry picking individual cases!

I won’t even get onto your views about BLM. Protesting about Imaginary modern day racism, which doesn’t materially impact society (we live in one of the most tolerant, sometimes overly tolerant, societies in the world) and things that happened hundreds of years ago, which aren’t relevant nowadays. BLM is a Marxist organisation. Anyway I thought a crime was a crime regardless of your perception of the rights and wrongs. Is it not now?

Sorry, I must have missed that - which cases are you referring to then?

Crime's are crime's, 100%, but as I said earlier you have to understand context in law. It's a huge part of it and as such it makes a huge difference to the sentences handed out.

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Wonder if he'll get done for carrying around a knife too.

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Havent looked into it. What I'm doing is comparing the treatment from a political perspective. Protests from those on the left versus the right. The 2011 riots werent politically motivated / driven by people from a specific political spectrum (it was just chaos) and were 14 years ago so not really what I have been comparing. Do you agree the BLM protests were unusually lenient compared to the illegal immigrant protests? If so why?

The difference in my opinion, in all the cases, is the need for a deterrent, it’s nothing to do with politics. That’s why some on the far left, like the Just Stop Oil were handed severe sentences just like some in the far right.

There was a risk of the Just Stop Oil protests getting out of control just like there is a risk of the boat slashers/protesters causing dangerous situations. The 2011 riots also had to be stamped down on which is why people got banged up for minor crimes then.

Edited 9 minutes ago by aintforever