The Reform Thread

[badgerx16]

29 minutes ago, whelk said:

Stupid comment then eh

No. There are degrees of self-interest.

No politician is successful and totally free of emcumbrance, even if it's just free tickets to the footy. Trump, however, takes milking his position to levels rarely seen outside dictatorships.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Different issues. We're talking political labelling. I won't stop calling a shovel a shovel. 

That makes sense. If it was labelling people you were taking issue with then it would have been tough not to call you a massive hypocrite.

[egg]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That makes sense. If it was labelling people you were taking issue with then it would have been tough not to call you a massive hypocrite.

Bless. Bad day poppet? 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

 

You don’t call me far left because I am clearly not.

 

[sadoldgit]

Here you go Ralph. I wouldn’t normally spend an evening giving someone homework, but I think you need educating. I asked ChatGPT to give me a definition of far right ideology in the UK and this is what it says:-

Core characteristics -

The belief that political power and national identity should be centred around a particular ethnic, cultural or “native” group.

Often opposes immigration and multiculturalism. 

Favouring strict law enforcement, strong state powers and sometimes a belief in natural social hierarchies.

Claiming that the country is threatened by corrupt elites, global institutions or minority groups.

Opposition to Liberal democratic norms such as minority protections, independent institutions or equal civic status for different groups.

Hostility towards specific groups which may include xenophobia, Islamophobia or anti immigrant sentiment.

In extreme cases it includes racial supremacy or overt racism.

Tick many boxes?

No surprise to see a laughing emoji from nic. He ticks some of these boxes. 😂
 

 

 

Edited 47 minutes ago by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

ChatGPT is a series of algorithms and sequences of computer coding, it is not 'intelligence'. Like all such AI ChatBots it is prone to mistakes, misreadings, and sometimes the generation of total random bullshit.

Anybody who uses such facilities as a fount of wisdom is a fool..

 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

So Obama just as corrupt as Trump?

He wanted four more years despite knowing he was incapable of leading during his last year.

If that isn't the very definition of self serving snout in the trough then I don't know what is.

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

He wanted four more years despite knowing he was incapable of leading during his last year.

If that isn't the very definition of self serving snout in the trough then I don't know what is.

Do you mean Biden?

[Weston Super Saint]

35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Do you mean Biden?

Ah yes, read the wrong President 🤦

[Holmes_and_Watson]

    7 hours ago, @Sir Ralph said:

    So you think we are essentially far right. You really dont understand what far right is so I would recommend not using the term until you have read up on it and the history relating to far right regimes. 

    Whilst I would not say you fall within the definition of far left because I understand what that means, you certainly are not a liberal with a small L.  Just because we draw fire from liberals (or lefties as I call them) that doesnt mean we are far right, it means we disagree with some of the views that they have (this forum has a higher proportion of liberals). I dont call you far left even though I think some of your views are extreme. That's not how it works. You need to better understand what those terms mean before you call people that.

 

 

The SaintsWeb political spectrum works a little differently. 

There's the extreme left through the left where it meets up with The Guardian headlines. SOG is led pretty much by that. Anything not aligning to any of that position (even if it has changed) is a far right, flag raising, Neanderthal, Brexit loving racist.

In summary: Communist; Your Party; SOG; Reform/Robinson-Thug

When a number of us checked out where we were on a political graph a while back, all bar one of us were in the same general area. Plenty of scope on how each of us ended up there, with various views balancing out to give a single point. But lots of room for respectful discussion.

It's a good thing to see you take people as you find them. So, you can read the below and just continue to to do just that.

I'd been a long time lurker before being more active of late. So, I'd dip in and out. And that was nearly always the main board. I'd check out the lounge very sporadically. I found my view of SOG change considerably from reading isolated parts, to seeing full discussions from scratch.

I'd remembered some indecisive liberal positions. And I remember wondering why the response seemed heavy handed. Reading it from scratch, the individual posts didn't tie up with the loose liberal perspective. . And that's fine. Everyone is shaped by life events and experiences. No one expects flawless consistency.

What I wasn't expecting, but the others had already been through was the nature of some of the comments. On one hand self styled, liberal champion of empathy, tolerance and intelligence.

On the other was the poster most likely to use racist slurs. An anti Semite well before the latest Gaza conflict. Possibly the most intolerant to the thoughts of others poster we have. This is where all this Hopkins/Robinson stuff stems from. It's SOG's labelling of those who disagree. No one else had any interest in them. Decrying the lack of intelligence of others, leaning on a long career fighting knife crime, sexual assault and in journalism. Except he got caught out on the CPS own processes, showed a degree of victim disregard that would have got him transferred for his own personal safety and showed a willingness to believe or disbelieve legal outcomes as it suited. It turned out he had administrative rather than investigative duties. The crusading journalism? sales division, after clearly showing no journalistic investigative skills.

And no one would have cared less, or thought less of views for them being from that perspective. But the condescension and disregard for other equally valid views put plenty of people off well before me.  I leave you to discover the joys of Fantasy Mealtime, Nazi Belt Buckle Review and Distorted  On The Buses Bantz.

That political spectrum test showed us broadly where we were. SOGs the one who would fix his answers to the desired outcome, regardless of the actual opinions.

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Holmes_and_Watson

[Gloucester Saint]

Farage is a cunt for trying to downplay this though - the word, and we all know what it is, hasn’t been acceptable at all in public use for far more than 20 years at least, more like 30, the same as other ‘colloquial’ words used for British Asian and Black people at that time. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvd298wxvro

[AlexLaw76]

11 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

    7 hours ago, @Sir Ralph said:

    So you think we are essentially far right. You really dont understand what far right is so I would recommend not using the term until you have read up on it and the history relating to far right regimes. 

    Whilst I would not say you fall within the definition of far left because I understand what that means, you certainly are not a liberal with a small L.  Just because we draw fire from liberals (or lefties as I call them) that doesnt mean we are far right, it means we disagree with some of the views that they have (this forum has a higher proportion of liberals). I dont call you far left even though I think some of your views are extreme. That's not how it works. You need to better understand what those terms mean before you call people that.

 

 

The SaintsWeb political spectrum works a little differently. 

There's the extreme left through the left where it meets up with The Guardian headlines. SOG is led pretty much by that. Anything not aligning to any of that position (even if it has changed) is a far right, flag raising, Neanderthal, Brexit loving racist.

In summary: Communist; Your Party; SOG; Reform/Robinson-Thug

When a number of us checked out where we were on a political graph a while back, all bar one of us were in the same general area. Plenty of scope on how each of us ended up there, with various views balancing out to give a single point. But lots of room for respectful discussion.

It's a good thing to see you take people as you find them. So, you can read the below and just continue to to do just that.

I'd been a long time lurker before being more active of late. So, I'd dip in and out. And that was nearly always the main board. I'd check out the lounge very sporadically. I found my view of SOG change considerably from reading isolated parts, to seeing full discussions from scratch.

I'd remembered some indecisive liberal positions. And I remember wondering why the response seemed heavy handed. Reading it from scratch, the individual posts didn't tie up with the loose liberal perspective. . And that's fine. Everyone is shaped by life events and experiences. No one expects flawless consistency.

What I wasn't expecting, but the others had already been through was the nature of some of the comments. On one hand self styled, liberal champion of empathy, tolerance and intelligence.

On the other was the poster most likely to use racist slurs. An anti Semite well before the latest Gaza conflict. Possibly the most intolerant to the thoughts of others poster we have. This is where all this Hopkins/Robinson stuff stems from. It's SOG's labelling of those who disagree. No one else had any interest in them. Decrying the lack of intelligence of others, leaning on a long career fighting knife crime, sexual assault and in journalism. Except he got caught out on the CPS own processes, showed a degree of victim disregard that would have got him transferred for his own personal safety and showed a willingness to believe or disbelieve legal outcomes as it suited. It turned out he had administrative rather than investigative duties. The crusading journalism? sales division, after clearly showing no journalistic investigative skills.

And no one would have cared less, or thought less of views for them being from that perspective. But the condescension and disregard for other equally valid views put plenty of people off well before me.  I leave you to discover the joys of Fantasy Mealtime, Nazi Belt Buckle Review and Distorted  On The Buses Bantz.

That political spectrum test showed us broadly where we were. SOGs the one who would fix his answers to the desired outcome, regardless of the actual opinions.

 

 

That’s all well and good, but do you fancy Katie Hopkins and do you think Ched Evans was a good player?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That’s all well and good, but do you fancy Katie Hopkins and do you think Ched Evans was a good player?

I'd play Hopkins ahead of Downs and see how Evans worked out on a radio phone in show.

[sadoldgit]

14 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

ChatGPT is a series of algorithms and sequences of computer coding, it is not 'intelligence'. Like all such AI ChatBots it is prone to mistakes, misreadings, and sometimes the generation of total random bullshit.

Anybody who uses such facilities as a fount of wisdom is a fool..

 

Is it wrong? It takes information from elsewhere and it no different from other definitions elsewhere.

As for being a fool, I will let the guy who takes our philosophy class know that he is a fool as he uses ChatGPT to précis points of Plato’s Republic for us.

[sadoldgit]

For those who do not trust ChatGPT, here is a more in depth look at the “far right” ideologies.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d8b882740f0b6098d33fefa/Joe_Mulhall_-_Modernising_and_Mainstreaming_The_Contemporary_British_Far_Right.pdf

[badgerx16]

42 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Is it wrong? It takes information from elsewhere and it no different from other definitions elsewhere.

As for being a fool, I will let the guy who takes our philosophy class know that he is a fool as he uses ChatGPT to précis points of Plato’s Republic for us.

GOOGLE AI's response to "Can I trust ChatGPT";

"You can trust ChatGPT as a tool for brainstorming and getting general information, but not as a definitive source for critical facts, professional advice, or sensitive data. Its responses can contain "hallucinations" (false information), inaccuracies, and biases, and it can misinterpret data or generate flawed code. Therefore, always critically evaluate its outputs and verify information with reliable sources, especially for topics like legal, financial, or medical matters. "

 

Also, read this...

https://www.deficambridge.org/should-we-trust-chatgpt/

 

It is a tool; it can provide useful summaries and collations of information, but can also come up with incorrect assumptions, and even create totally fictitious sources. It should never be relied on in isolation, or as being definitively trustworthy.

As I said, if you use AI as a fount of wisdom, you are a fool.

 

Edit;

Even ChatGPT admits it is fallible; 

"That's a good question! Trust is important when using any technology. While I strive to provide accurate, helpful, and unbiased information, it's important to keep in mind that:

I’m not infallible – I rely on the data I was trained on, which means sometimes I might not have the most up-to-date info or might make mistakes."

Edited 5 minutes ago by badgerx16